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ScotRail to introduce £10 minimum fare for those not buying before boarding

Starmill

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Thank you. I’m puzzled by the “matter of contract” aspect of that, as the English penalty fare legislation is not contract based.
I suspect it probably is, because if you board a train without a ticket but are charged a PF and then pay it, you have technically still paid for your journey. You haven't admitted to an offence by paying it, as you might be doing with the police issuing you a penalty for disorderly behaviour.
 
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I thought it was because if they charge you a penalty fare in Scotland there is no route to recover it because a scottish TOC can't bring a private prosecution.
That is also a barrier. There is no route to criminal prosecution and no route to civil recovery.
 

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Is there not an equivalent of a county court claim in Scotland?
ScotRail (or anyone else running a service in Scotland) could make a claim in the Sheriff Court for their losses / costs against someone travelling without a ticket.
 

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I asked the ticket examiner about the £10 fare today. She said it is a standard ticket sold at a new minimum price and their machines are setup to do it. She said that fare may or may not be charged depending on circumstances.
So perhaps the legal position is that ScotRail can set any price, or multiple prices for its own services.
 

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The Scotsman running an article on the £10 fare.


Headline: ScotRail reveals how many £10 minimum fares issued to passengers since new penalty introduced​

ScotRail said between July 1 and August 3, 14,336 minimum fare tickets were issued - an average of more than 400 a day.

The Scottish Greens are quoted in the article referencing it penalising people running late or travelling by rail for the first time.

The Scottish Conservatives highlight the cost of living and hoping honest people don’t pay the penalty with a further suggestion the money be reinvested in the railway.
 

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It would be interesting to see a breakdown of the origin and destination for these minimum fares.
 

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The Scotsman running an article on the £10 fare.

I'd like to see TfW taking a similarly robust approach in Wales. At the moment, its train managers are quite happy to sell a ticket at the normal price to any passenger without one, even if it's clear that they're fare-dodging or short-faring.
 

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I'd like to see TfW taking a similarly robust approach in Wales. At the moment, its train managers are quite happy to sell a ticket at the normal price to any passenger without one, even if it's clear that they're fare-dodging or short-faring.
Some conductors in Scotland will do this too.

Conflict avoidance is unlikely to be going away any time soon.
 

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