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Harpo

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If a train suddenly disappears and the signalling system assumes the line is clear, I'd call that a failure.
Depends. If the infrastructure needs remedying, then it’s a signalling fault. If the train needs remedying it’s a train fault.

In between the two there used to be quite a bit of yellow plant that was ‘unreliable’ or more technically couldn’t be relied on to operate track circuits, so it had special signalling instructions. They have track circuit actuators these days so far as I am aware.
 
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If the infrastructure needs remedying, then it’s a signalling fault. If the train needs remedying it’s a train fault.
You referred to a train having a fault, so the question is how does the signalling system react to that? I don't believe that the sudden disappearance of a train - moving from one activated track circuit to, apparently, nowhere - results in the signalling seeing the line as clear. If you don't have an answer to that, there is probably no point in continuing this discussion.
 

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It's the very reason for the upcoming strike throughout August. I would refer you to the wording in the public domain available on the RMT website if you wish to do so. I would not like to disclose the ongoing concerns and failings that have not made it out in the open, but there is definately more than what is mentioned.
Somewhat surprised ASLEF aren't seen to be taking any action/comment on safety issues ??
 

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I don't believe that the sudden disappearance of a train - moving from one activated track circuit to, apparently, nowhere - results in the signalling seeing the line as clear.
It does. That’s the normal mode of operation for a track circuit. More usually the ‘disappearance’ is accompanied by the occupation of a subsequent track circuit.
 

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It does. That’s the normal mode of operation for a track circuit. More usually the ‘disappearance’ is accompanied by the occupation of a subsequent track circuit.
And its the difference between leaving one section for another, and simply disappearing from a section while still on the line there, that is potentially of concern.
 

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I can assure you that great frontline staff have absolutely nothing to do with anyone at the top! (I really do mean anyone!) Please don’t think otherwise! They are purely decent people wanting to do a good job with the poor tools they have.

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They wouldn’t have enough units for 12 car operation and I believe it’s a safety concern with regard to staffing levels on three separate units coupled together.
Did Greater Anglia ever run 3 x Class 360 consists? They certainly ran 3 x 321's coupled together. How is that unsafe?
 

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With traditional British relay-based signalling there is a risk that a wrong side track circuit failure (showing clear when occupied) can cause a train to disappear from the system, allowing signals to clear behind it, points to change ahead of it and even other trains to be given conflicting routes. Solid state interlockings generally got more protection, especially if used under Automatic Route Setting, and the ARS* itself monitored the occupation of track and on detecting an anomaly would raise an alarm and stop attempting to set routes in the vicinity.

*This is based on the original British Rail IECC when I was involved with it up to the early 90s, but I assume later systems and those from other suppliers were similar.
 

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Confused! Are we talking about someone who has either been sacked or left the company? Or are we talking about a tragic incident 6 weeks ago? Know better, do better.
 

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Confused! Are we talking about someone who has either been sacked or left the company? Or are we talking about a tragic incident 6 weeks ago? Know better, do better.

I think it points to the fact that everything that needed saying has probably been said. :)
 
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