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I believe just electricity. That also helps the climate agenda to some extent, by encouraging people to switch from gas.
I assume that its removal from electricity alone is a recognition that almost all homes have mains electricity whereas mains gas has a smaller footprint and applying the cut to that as well would, for fairness, also require bottled gas and oil to be similarly treated. Cutting VAT on electricity is logistically simple and has the broadest impact, other products are harder to manage.
 
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On the other hand, they just need Labour to be completely incompetent for three years and all the other "opposition" parties to suffer scandals and ludicrous manifestos.

This might seem a remote chance but stranger things have happened.
Well they've managed that for two years, one more to go then!
 

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With regards to Labour and the 2029 (?) General Election, I wouldn't underestimate Reform and their supporters to intensify their use of their in-house TV "News" Station and Fanboys/girls YouTube Channels to discredit Labour, whilst telling viewers about the evils of the Mainstream Media (despite 95% of their "content" coming from The MSM or Guido Fawkes.
 

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Not sure if this was covered before but I find it strange that a change of leader means many of the gov.uk web pages now have a header...
This was published under the 2024 to 2026 Starmer Labour government
 

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I think Reform have done us a service by shifting the Overton window a little. This Labour leader for this year has at least acknowledged the cost of living crisis needs fixing, even if he hasn’t worked out how.
 

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Reform have really shot themselves in the foot. Whilst Nige argues with a bin in an attempt to distract from his £million bungs, Burnham sweeps in and starts tackling the problems that actually matter to voters.
 

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Cutting VAT on electricity is logistically simple and has the broadest impact, other products are harder to manage.
Eliminating standing charges for gas and electricity would have provided greater targeted relief for low users but, would have taken longer to implement as standing charges hide a multitude of energy company costs beyond infrastructure.
 

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Eliminating standing charges for gas and electricity would have provided greater targeted relief for low users but, would have taken longer to implement as standing charges hide a multitude of energy company costs beyond infrastructure.
That would have cost a much much larger sum, and I would question how much it would be targeted.

Eliminating standing charges would reduce my annual electricity bill to essentially nothing thanks to my solar panels. Given the extreme skew of such equipment to higher income households.....

I'd honestly prefer no headline-grbbing tax cuts at all, all it does is expend money that is then not available for anything else.
 

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What has changed?
Nothing. Everything on the site published under a government has the name of the PM at the time appended at the top, unless it was released under the current PM. It's been that way for years.
 

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What has changed?
It is basically a transparency and user-protection signal: it prevents old ministerial statements or policy announcements from being mistaken for the position of the current government.

GOV.UK’s own publishing guidance says history mode “puts a banner on the content to explain that it was published under a previous government” and makes it less prominent in internal search results.
 

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It is basically a transparency and user-protection signal: it prevents old ministerial statements or policy announcements from being mistaken for the position of the current government.
Which works in the other way too - it helps to prevent the current government from claiming credit for things that they may well have fought against when in opposition. For an example of this, see the number of US Republican congresspeople and senators who take credit for investment that is flowing into their states from Biden-era initiatives such as the CHIPS Act.
 

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Great to hear the Government advocating a school curriculum that’s much closer to real life. I’d be delighted if there was a GCSE in construction.

Secondary school pupils in England will be able to study subjects like manufacturing and AI in addition to core academic learning under reforms outlined by Prime Minister Andy Burnham.

The government said the courses, which would be available from Year 10, would be linked to local industries and designed to give children a clearer pathway into work.
 

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Great to hear the Government advocating a school curriculum that’s much closer to real life. I’d be delighted if there was a GCSE in construction.
I'd like to see root and branch reform of the education system to something more like The Netherlands where vocational schools are seen as equal in stature to academic ones.
 

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Great to hear the Government advocating a school curriculum that’s much closer to real life. I’d be delighted if there was a GCSE in construction.


Let's hope, about time offered sensible pathways, too much government meddling in the past by all parties with emphasis on academic studies for all, rather than giving appropriate opportunities so all can achieve in one way or another.
 

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I support this in principle, but it's another hit for the university sector that expanded after Blair and has recently suffered from immigration restrictions on foreign students.
 

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I support this in principle, but it's another hit for the university sector that expanded after Blair and has recently suffered from immigration restrictions on foreign students.
I suspect that's true and that any chance or disruption will be painful. But has the expansion of the sector actually delivered real benefits for society (for individuals and society as a whole)? If not, perhaps things do need to change...
 

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But has the expansion of the sector actually delivered real benefits for society (for individuals and society as a whole)?
It's delivered significant benefits for a range of smaller towns in the form of being a significant employer and often providing comparatively well remunerated and secure employment at the same time. Take Teesside Uni as an example (based in Middlesbrough) this is the staffing numbers from July 2025:

The total number of staff employed at the University for 2025 is 1,877 FTE. Of the total 761 account for academic staff, 1051 account for support staff and 65 account for senior management.


That's a lot of jobs to go pop in a town like Middlesbrough. It will be similar in other towns and small cities with institutions like Teesside University.
 

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It's delivered significant benefits for a range of smaller towns in the form of being a significant employer and often providing comparatively well remunerated and secure employment at the same time. Take Teesside Uni as an example (based in Middlesbrough) this is the staffing numbers from July 2025:




That's a lot of jobs to go pop in a town like Middlesbrough. It will be similar in other towns and small cities with institutions like Teesside University.
Maybe time then for unis to adapt and maybe reverse some of the Poly-to-Uni conversions? The baby doesn’t have to go out with the ‘media studies’ (etc.) bathwater.
 

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Maybe time then for unis to adapt and maybe reverse some of the Poly-to-Uni conversions? The baby doesn’t have to go out with the ‘media studies’ (etc.) bathwater.
Indeed. The need to educate and for educators will still exist, even if the topics are more vocational and less academic.
 

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Indeed, the newer universities should be better placed to shift their focus to more vocational courses and are have also suffered less from losing foreign students as they wouldn't have had many in the first place. It's probably the less prominent older universities that are more at risk from this, caught between those who might switch to a more vocational pathway and those who aim for top academic institutions today and will continue to do so.
 

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It's delivered significant benefits for a range of smaller towns in the form of being a significant employer and often providing comparatively well remunerated and secure employment at the same time.
Well that's helpful, but not really the point of a university.... That probably sounds harsher than intended but if we are to have a "make work" scheme I'd rather have something relating to technical education or building infrastructure
 

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Indeed, the newer universities should be better placed to shift their focus to more vocational courses and are have also suffered less from losing foreign students as they wouldn't have had many in the first place.
Many ex-polys have a lot of non-UK students. The top ten includes Hertfordshire, Coventry and East London. Hertfordshire has 19000 non-EU overseas students out of 33500 total students. .

HESA data link here
 

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It's delivered significant benefits for a range of smaller towns in the form of being a significant employer and often providing comparatively well remunerated and secure employment at the same time. Take Teesside Uni as an example (based in Middlesbrough) this is the staffing numbers from July 2025:




That's a lot of jobs to go pop in a town like Middlesbrough. It will be similar in other towns and small cities with institutions like Teesside University.
My son got a 2:1 in Cyber Security and IT Systems from there, graduated in 2025 - still looking for a job . . . . ☹
 

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My son got a 2:1 in Cyber Security and IT Systems from there, graduated in 2025 - still looking for a job . . . . ☹
That's surprising. I work in the industry and there's a shortage of skilled people. Has he just been looking locally or further afield?
 

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That's surprising. I work in the industry and there's a shortage of skilled people. Has he just been looking locally or further afield?
He's been applying mainly in the Nottingham, Derby, Leicester triangle - only had 2 interviews in the year (and I know he's well into the 3 figures in applications)
I know that he struggles with interviewing (in the spectrum so self confidence isn't in abundance) so maybe that's the reason for the unsuccessful interviews but unless people give him the opportunity to be interviewed they'll nver get to know the sort of person he is. I know there's no reason whatsoever for "special treatment" - it's just a shame that he's spent all the time he has for what could turn out to be no chance of working in his field
 

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He's been applying mainly in the Nottingham, Derby, Leicester triangle - only had 2 interviews in the year (and I know he's well into the 3 figures in applications)
I know that he struggles with interviewing (in the spectrum so self confidence isn't in abundance) so maybe that's the reason for the unsuccessful interviews but unless people give him the opportunity to be interviewed they'll nver get to know the sort of person he is. I know there's no reason whatsoever for "special treatment" - it's just a shame that he's spent all the time he has for what could turn out to be no chance of working in his field
I don't know how well he would cope with moving further away but as well as the south east, a lot of tech jobs have moved to Scotland. As an example, we've just hired about ten cyber-security trained people to stand up a SOC (security operation centre).
 

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He's been applying mainly in the Nottingham, Derby, Leicester triangle - only had 2 interviews in the year (and I know he's well into the 3 figures in applications)
I know that he struggles with interviewing (in the spectrum so self confidence isn't in abundance) so maybe that's the reason for the unsuccessful interviews but unless people give him the opportunity to be interviewed they'll nver get to know the sort of person he is. I know there's no reason whatsoever for "special treatment" - it's just a shame that he's spent all the time he has for what could turn out to be no chance of working in his field
I know the feeling. I graduated with a degree in Computing just after the dotcom bubble burst and it took a couple of years before I managed to find a job.
Having recently sat on the other side of the recruitment desk, it can be hard to get your foot in the door. We had dozens of applicants for a single post. We could filter out quite a few quickly for obviously not meeting the criteria or not following instructions. (It says a covering letter and a CV, don't have both then get in the bin). But it was still hard to narrow down to a small enough group to interview.
Experience does tend to trump qualifications, which isn't helpful for your son starting out. I don't know if he's already tried looking for more general IT support roles that may be amenable to taking on a newbie? Once you're in an organisation there's often more scope to move up or across. I have a colleague who started on the helpdesk but has worked on his professional certifications and moved into a technical team within a couple of years and is now looking to further specialise.

Trying to go back on topic, one thing that surprised me was the number of applications from those without the right to work in the UK. It does feel like the balance hasn’t been right in terms of improving productivity and getting UK citizens into work versus importing labour.
 
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Experience does tend to trump qualifications, which isn't helpful for your son starting out. I don't know if he's already tried looking for more general IT support roles that may be amenable to taking on a newbie? Once you're in an organisation there's often more scope to move up or across. I have a colleague who started on the helpdesk but has worked on his professional certifications and moved into a technical team within a couple of years and is now looking to further specialise.
I would second that advice - I recently retired from managing an IT service that was delivered/supported by a contractor (I was co-located in their premises). Over 10 -12 years I knew several service desk agents who moved into more specialised areas of support, inc security and other ITIL disciplines. The company encouraged staff to develop skills and experience so someone keen & willing starting 'at the bottom' genuinely did get the opportunities to progress quite quickly if they showed willing and talent.
 

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