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Power failure in the Camborne area and unable to get above 16mph. Power reset attempted but unsuccessful.
@XFeed What is a power reset?
@Ashley Hill apologies for slow reply, I don`t get notifications at moment due to the issues the forum are having around Microsoft Outlook.

Due to the limited nature of the information this is a tricky one, when they talk about "power failure and unable to get above 16mph" and "power reset attempt unsuccessful" I assume that they are referring to lack of engine power or transmission power loss as opposed to electrical power ? I seem to recall earlier in the thread somewhere where a unit had similar issues, same unit ?

The can`t get above 16mph is a scenario that I`ve never had reported to me in the past but it would suggest engine/transmission issues as opposed to "dragging brakes" impeding progress but I would have thought that would have been evident and reported. We also don`t know if any engines are out or are derated or have been locally started.

The "power reset" is not a term that we or the operator would have used in the past but GWR are quite entitled to their own terminology that they are familiar with. At a guess I suspect that the train crew have possibly been instructed to carry out a "trip and set" of the unit in an attempt to clear the issue or issues. A "trip and set" is a procedure that can be carried out in a number of ways and most common in service would involve leaving the engines running and tripping and resetting the electrical auxiliaries, while keyed out, by pressing the trip and reset buttons on the cab back wall ensuring that you leave a minimum of 10 seconds between the trip and set button presses. This will very often clear a lot of various issues on the unit but if the problems relate to engine, transmission or cooler group control faults by the very nature of the engines still running during the trip phase this will not solve the problem as the engine ECM, Voith rack and cooler group controller are all still powered up and will not reset any faults they have in them, quickest way is to trip specific circuit breakers to reset the various control systems but I wouldn`t expect traincrew to do this without instruction as it can result in a whole new world of pain.

The safest way for them to attempt to to carry out a total reset of the unit would be to stop all engines, key out, trip auxiliaries but you would have to then wait around 5 minutes for the relay timers to drop out that power engine, transmission and cooler group controllers along with the fire system. Having said all of this and once the unit is then back up and running if the faults are still present then you have not gained a great deal.

Sorry for long reply but sometimes its not just a case of turning it off then on again :lol:
 
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This is what I meant by older pre software trains being more reliable. If an engine had a fault, it was the engine. Now, it could be the engine or, software stopping it from working for a variety of complicated interconnected reasons. How do you find out which it is? All that resetting palaver (palava?) Same with modern cars. Computer says no. Simplify don't complicate. Too late now.
 

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This is what I meant by older pre software trains being more reliable. If an engine had a fault, it was the engine. Now, it could be the engine or, software stopping it from working for a variety of complicated interconnected reasons. How do you find out which it is? All that resetting palaver (palava?) Same with modern cars. Computer says no. Simplify don't complicate. Too late now.
But it's not is it, millions of miles are covered by modern trains without issues, including the 175s when with TfW. Modern systems can diagnose a faut and it can be rectified remotely, saving a train been taken out of service and a journey cancelled or if cancelled the depot knows exactly what the fault is so it's rectified quicker and back in traffic. It's not too late, it's progress.
 

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Mission accomplished - many thanks for all your help.

On it from St Erth - Penzance, and back to Hayle. Loved the interiors: very comfy reclined seating, tables aligned with the windows - felt quite luxurious compared with more modern stock (and streets ahead of a refurbed Pendo - not provocative at all ).

Formation was 50708 56751 79704, as expected.

Let's see if it makes it to the end of its diagram ...
 

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@Ashley Hill apologies for slow reply, I don`t get notifications at moment due to the issues the forum are having around Microsoft Outlook.

Due to the limited nature of the information this is a tricky one, when they talk about "power failure and unable to get above 16mph" and "power reset attempt unsuccessful" I assume that they are referring to lack of engine power or transmission power loss as opposed to electrical power ? I seem to recall earlier in the thread somewhere where a unit had similar issues, same unit ?

The can`t get above 16mph is a scenario that I`ve never had reported to me in the past but it would suggest engine/transmission issues as opposed to "dragging brakes" impeding progress but I would have thought that would have been evident and reported. We also don`t know if any engines are out or are derated or have been locally started.

The "power reset" is not a term that we or the operator would have used in the past but GWR are quite entitled to their own terminology that they are familiar with. At a guess I suspect that the train crew have possibly been instructed to carry out a "trip and set" of the unit in an attempt to clear the issue or issues. A "trip and set" is a procedure that can be carried out in a number of ways and most common in service would involve leaving the engines running and tripping and resetting the electrical auxiliaries, while keyed out, by pressing the trip and reset buttons on the cab back wall ensuring that you leave a minimum of 10 seconds between the trip and set button presses. This will very often clear a lot of various issues on the unit but if the problems relate to engine, transmission or cooler group control faults by the very nature of the engines still running during the trip phase this will not solve the problem as the engine ECM, Voith rack and cooler group controller are all still powered up and will not reset any faults they have in them, quickest way is to trip specific circuit breakers to reset the various control systems but I wouldn`t expect traincrew to do this without instruction as it can result in a whole new world of pain.

The safest way for them to attempt to to carry out a total reset of the unit would be to stop all engines, key out, trip auxiliaries but you would have to then wait around 5 minutes for the relay timers to drop out that power engine, transmission and cooler group controllers along with the fire system. Having said all of this and once the unit is then back up and running if the faults are still present then you have not gained a great deal.

Sorry for long reply but sometimes its not just a case of turning it off then on again :lol:
Thanks for replying. One of the things we used to do with Sprinters when nothing obvious was stopping the job and everything else had been tried was to trip everything both ends and knock out the BIS, wait 30secs and reset everything. If that didn’t work you were a dead duck.
 

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Mission accomplished - many thanks for all your help.

On it from St Erth - Penzance, and back to Hayle. Loved the interiors: very comfy reclined seating, tables aligned with the windows - felt quite luxurious compared with more modern stock (and streets ahead of a refurbed Pendo - not provocative at all ).

Formation was 50708 56751 79704, as expected.

Let's see if it makes it to the end of its diagram ...

Was that you taking a photo at Hayle on the up service?

Roy
 

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Thanks for replying. One of the things we used to do with Sprinters when nothing obvious was stopping the job and everything else had been tried was to trip everything both ends and knock out the BIS, wait 30secs and reset everything. If that didn’t work you were a dead duck.

No problem. Yep opening the BIS on all cars together then closing them again is a worthwhile action if you have shutdown the whole unit but I didn`t mention that as at least one BIS would be adjacent to another running line and would require a block to carry out unless on a single line.

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It survived! :D

Progress :)
 

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It sort of feels like one unit gets fixed up at a time, 175111 has been a very consistently positive unit for the past 2 weeks straight.
Hopefully 175101 performs better than it did last month.

I'm still waiting on my personal unit, which nobody can take from me (I'm protective of it! :lol:), 175113, to make her debut.
 

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I'm still waiting on my personal unit, which nobody can take from me (I'm protective of it! :lol:), 175113, to make her debut.

I have noticed in a few of your posts that you have an affection for 113, may I ask the reason for the liking of this particular unit ?
 

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Seven 175s out today which is good. I notice they have been using the same train on each diagram every day.

The team at Laira starting to work their magic. As a passenger the 175's are super units - in fact the most comfortable in the entire GWR fleet - so it's really good to see them settling down.
 

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The team at Laira starting to work their magic. As a passenger the 175's are super units - in fact the most comfortable in the entire GWR fleet - so it's really good to see them settling down.
I've insisted that it's just a learning process and that effort is starting to pay off.

Fingers crossed for a good day today!

I have noticed in a few of your posts that you have an affection for 113, may I ask the reason for the liking of this particular unit ?
I couldn't tell you, I just quite liked the unit and it was also the last one I took in Wales before the withdraw of the Class.
 

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I think the Laira staff have always had a good reputation so it's good to see that they are turning things round as we all expected (or hoped).
 

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It released a couple of units so that the Bristol-Oxford trains could be diagrammed, I know that much. What those two units get up to on a Sunday I don't know...
It released a couple of units so that the Bristol-Oxford trains could be diagrammed, I know that much. What those two units get up to on a Sunday I don't know...
There used to be 2 all day 800 diagrams on the Bristol-Worcester stoppers, but now there is only 1
 

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175007 pulled due to a fault. Currently at Par Sidings but I suspect they'll try get it fixed for service later on.
 

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I’m currently down on holiday in Devon. With the exception of 175007 (on the naughty step in Par) I’ve managed to get about on several of them without major issues! I was slightly worried about getting on 175101 but it kept to time and didn’t break down. Forgot how comfortable they are inside compared to an IET….
 

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I couldn't tell you, I just quite liked the unit and it was also the last one I took in Wales before the withdraw of the Class.

I do have a fondness for 175s and hope that they succeed in the South West but nothing for a particular unit as such but a couple of them did give me some challenging and physically damaging experiences on one or two occasions :oops:

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I’m currently down on holiday in Devon. With the exception of 175007 (on the naughty step in Par) I’ve managed to get about on several of them without major issues! I was slightly worried about getting on 175101 but it kept to time and didn’t break down. Forgot how comfortable they are inside compared to an IET….

007 does seem to find the naughty step quite often and must find it comfortable :rolleyes:

I wonder what it is this time :?:
 
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Yep 114 pulled last report at Newton Abbot on Ecs I've lost where it's gone was meant to have it further south but oh well least ive got an 802 to take me towards Penzance
 

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Yep 114 pulled last report at Newton Abbot on Ecs I've lost where it's gone was meant to have it further south but oh well least ive got an 802 to take me towards Penzance
Looks like it was working the Exeter to Exeter via Newton Abbot training run, but got cancelled at Newton Abbot before heading back up to Exeter. Nothing showing on the diagrams now so maybe it went back down to Laira?

Edit: 175011 also now running very late on 2P21

 
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2C05 0655 Exeter St Davids to Penzance
Looks like 175114 having a hiccup on leaving Newton.
Now sat down at Totnes, with 2N99 0555 Bristol Temple Meads to Newquay arriving on the UP platform (?) and 1C11 0640 Bristol Temple Meads to Penzance using the through road.
Don't understand!

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The 'smoke' has cleared on OTT.
1C11 ran through Totnes and is 7 minutes down.
2N99 running through Totnes behind 1C11, and is 22 minutes down.
The ailing 2C05 is showing terminated at Totnes.
2C09 0809 Exeter St Davids to Penzance currently on time at Newton.
Could run through Totnes if 2C05 remains stuck.
 
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Not sure how, but 175111 lost 43 minutes at Par this morning. The only unit seeming to have any joy today is 175003 on the training runs!
 

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