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Wider service possibilities following the Portishead reopening?

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BBC news: New train stations could connect city's outskirtsTwo new railway stations being built near to Bristol "may well" connect directly with each other, according to the Mayor of the West of England (Weca).
Work is ongoing to reopen the line between Bristol and Portishead, and progress is being made on a new station in Filton, which was recently named Bristol Brabazon. Both are set to welcome their first passengers in 2028.
The Portishead Line is planned to connect directly onto the Henbury Line via Bristol Temple Meads, before connecting to Filton.
Appearing on BBC Radio Bristol, Weca mayor Helen Godwin confirmed that both stations "may well" directly connect to "open up the whole region" to people in those areas.
If I understand this article correctly, I think it means a potential direct Portishead to Brabazon service. I'd be very happy if this also resulted in an increase on the 1 tph service that Ashley Down currently has...
 
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Was there ever a plan for a Bristol TM - Avonmouth - Henbury - Filton - Bristol TM service, and vice-versa)
Back when they ran the specials to launch the project (2012?) I’m fairly certain that was the idea. I’d have thought extending the Avonmouth terminators to Parkway via Henbury and the Abbey Wood terminators to Avonmouth via Henbury would open up even more options, but it’s all academic anyway.
 

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BBC news: New train stations could connect city's outskirts
If I understand this article correctly, I think it means a potential direct Portishead to Brabazon service. I'd be very happy if this also resulted in an increase on the 1 tph service that Ashley Down currently has...
Yes I believe the plan is for 2tph Henbury-Bristol of which 1 continues to Portishead, similar to the 2tph from Avonmouth of which 1 continues to Weston.
Was there ever a plan for a Bristol TM - Avonmouth - Henbury - Filton - Bristol TM service, and vice-versa)
Yes, and some groups do keep suggesting it.
I’d have thought extending the Avonmouth terminators to Parkway via Henbury and the Abbey Wood terminators to Avonmouth via Henbury would open up even more options, but it’s all academic anyway.
Running more trains north of Avonmouth means greater closure times for the level crossings allowing access to the docks. It might be possible to put up a steeply graded bridge for the King Road Ave LX but there's not a lot that could be done about Gloucester Rd immediately north of Avonmouth other than moving the northbound platform to the other side.
Terminating trains at Parkway from Henbury involves the very awkward junction at Stoke Gifford/Parkway itself, and consumes valuable platform capacity at Parkway. And running more traffic through Hallen Marsh junction means freight is forced to take ever slimmer pickings.
 

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Running more trains north of Avonmouth means greater closure times for the level crossings allowing access to the docks. It might be possible to put up a steeply graded bridge for the King Road Ave LX but there's not a lot that could be done about Gloucester Rd immediately north of Avonmouth other than moving the northbound platform to the other side.
Terminating trains at Parkway from Henbury involves the very awkward junction at Stoke Gifford/Parkway itself, and consumes valuable platform capacity at Parkway. And running more traffic through Hallen Marsh junction means freight is forced to take ever slimmer pickings.
All of which come into the “this is operationally a bit awkward so lets forget it”. Specifically on the matter of platforms at Parkway, we’d be talking 5-10 minutes every hour. There seems to be plenty of time to reverse ecs coming off Hitachi in the platforms instead of the yard…
Clearly it couldn’t be done without investment. However, this is straying rather a long way from actual investment at Portishead!
 

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Yes I believe the plan is for 2tph Henbury-Bristol of which 1 continues to Portishead, similar to the 2tph from Avonmouth of which 1 continues to Weston.

Yes, and some groups do keep suggesting it.

Running more trains north of Avonmouth means greater closure times for the level crossings allowing access to the docks. It might be possible to put up a steeply graded bridge for the King Road Ave LX but there's not a lot that could be done about Gloucester Rd immediately north of Avonmouth other than moving the northbound platform to the other side.
Terminating trains at Parkway from Henbury involves the very awkward junction at Stoke Gifford/Parkway itself, and consumes valuable platform capacity at Parkway. And running more traffic through Hallen Marsh junction means freight is forced to take ever slimmer pickings.
Avonmouth-Henbury is quite an indirect route through mostly unpopulated areas. I’d get the crayons out and go for a new build line cutting the corner, parallel to the M5 on the south side with a station for Lawrence Weston, though that would need serious money and probably need to branch off from Shirehampton area, not Avonmouth.
 

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The MetroWest network should surely be run as a suburban metro? Turn up and go frequencies, easily identifiable routes, connection opportunities etc

2ph Portishead to Henbury
2ph Weston Super Mare to Yate
2ph Weston Super Mare to Severn Beach/Avonmouth

That gives a nice 6ph along to "core" section from Parson St through Temple Meads to Stapleton Rd, and 4ph to Nailsea/Ashley Down/Filton etc.

Extra services to/from Westbury via Bath and maybe even Cardiff could be added to the network, terminating at Temple Meads.
 

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The MetroWest network should surely be run as a suburban metro? Turn up and go frequencies, easily identifiable routes, connection opportunities etc

2ph Portishead to Henbury
2ph Weston Super Mare to Yate
2ph Weston Super Mare to Severn Beach/Avonmouth

That gives a nice 6ph along to "core" section from Parson St through Temple Meads to Stapleton Rd, and 4ph to Nailsea/Ashley Down/Filton etc.

Extra services to/from Westbury via Bath and maybe even Cardiff could be added to the network, terminating at Temple Meads.
An Abbey Wood/Yate to Bath/Westbury that stops at the Bristol suburban stations would be good, might be hard to deconflict with the semi fasts to Gloucester/Worcester though.
 

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If the rail revolution in Bristol really picks up, I could see the Henbury loop being a source of re/development.

It is much longer to Henbury via Avonmouth! But probably to Avonmouth itself, equidistant as less stops? That mid point could have 4tph in practice if evenly spaced ;)

But yes Parkway service would be good too. Much better to funnel outer folks there for their London / Brum journeys, vs back to TM.

Less good for Bath, which of course is another economic and shopping / entertainment centre for the region too.
 

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It is much longer to Henbury via Avonmouth! But probably to Avonmouth itself, equidistant as less stops? That mid point could have 4tph in practice if evenly spaced ;)
This is assuming that you are heading to / from Temple Meads (or beyond). Particularly if fares can be integrated with buses, many destinations are equally well / better reached from Clifton Down or other intermediate stations, hence the flows on the current Severn Beach services.
 

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An Abbey Wood/Yate to Bath/Westbury that stops at the Bristol suburban stations would be good, might be hard to deconflict with the semi fasts to Gloucester/Worcester though.
I'd just keep it simple - terminate metro services from Bath/Westbury at Temple Meads and run services from Henbury/Yate/Severn Beach through to Weston-Super-Mare/Portishead, with frequencies high enough so connections are less of an issue.
 

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I'd just keep it simple - terminate metro services from Bath/Westbury at Temple Meads and run services from Henbury/Yate/Severn Beach through to Weston-Super-Mare/Portishead, with frequencies high enough so connections are less of an issue.
Certainly it would be wise to avoid increasing the number of through services that reverse (if that’s not a contradiction in terms) at the East end, blocking the throat as they do so. There are, however, significant established cross- Bristol flows on that route, so breaking the ones that are already there shouldn’t be done lightly.
 

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Certainly it would be wise to avoid increasing the number of through services that reverse (if that’s not a contradiction in terms) at the East end, blocking the throat as they do so. There are, however, significant established cross- Bristol flows on that route, so breaking the ones that are already there shouldn’t be done lightly.
I'd keep the existing Cardiff-Bristol-Bath-Portsmouth semi-fast (also calling at Filton), which would serve some of the cross-Bristol flows. Then add 2ph (or 4ph if there's space) Bristol-Bath-Westbury as a metro service alongside it. The Gloucester services would terminate at Bristol.
 

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I'd keep the existing Cardiff-Bristol-Bath-Portsmouth semi-fast (also calling at Filton), which would serve some of the cross-Bristol flows. Then add 2ph (or 4ph if there's space) Bristol-Bath-Westbury as a metro service alongside it. The Gloucester services would terminate at Bristol.
Probably OK off peak - but in the peak the cross- Bristol flows to the smaller stations (eg Oldfield Park) are substantial. The “parliamentary” service round the Rhubarb Curve is well used!
 

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The MetroWest network should surely be run as a suburban metro? Turn up and go frequencies, easily identifiable routes, connection opportunities etc

2ph Portishead to Henbury
2ph Weston Super Mare to Yate
2ph Weston Super Mare to Severn Beach/Avonmouth

That gives a nice 6ph along to "core" section from Parson St through Temple Meads to Stapleton Rd, and 4ph to Nailsea/Ashley Down/Filton etc.

Extra services to/from Westbury via Bath and maybe even Cardiff could be added to the network, terminating at Temple Meads.
I think at least 1-2tph from Weston-super-Mare should actually start back at Taunton, so Bridgwater + Highbridge have more services. This overall service plan would require other infrastructure upgrades though, including reinstating the down loop through Bedminster & Parson Street, and having the up loop allow trains to call at Parson Street, which would allow a larger window for fast services to overtake a stopper, and/or keep the Portishead trains separate for longer. Then redoubling both WSM chords and allowing the bay platform to return to proper use would help too, along with the east-facing Taunton bay (P6) being resignalled for direct access.

For Portishead itself, 2tph will probably need a loop somewhere on the branch in addition to the one around Ashton Gate, either at Pill station, or in an attempt to avoid expensive accessibility upgrades, a dynamic loop west of the station.
 

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Don't the Westons start from Severn Beach?
Its Weston-super-Mare to Avonmouth but Severn Beach to Weston-super-Mare. However, if you are starting your journey from Avonmouth you have 2tph to Bristol, of which 1 runs to Weston

The pattern as a whole is a bit awkward because its actually an interior led diagram including the Filtons service.
 

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Yes I believe the plan is for 2tph Henbury-Bristol of which 1 continues to Portishead, similar to the 2tph from Avonmouth of which 1 continues to Weston.

Yes, and some groups do keep suggesting it.

Running more trains north of Avonmouth means greater closure times for the level crossings allowing access to the docks. It might be possible to put up a steeply graded bridge for the King Road Ave LX but there's not a lot that could be done about Gloucester Rd immediately north of Avonmouth other than moving the northbound platform to the other side.
Terminating trains at Parkway from Henbury involves the very awkward junction at Stoke Gifford/Parkway itself, and consumes valuable platform capacity at Parkway. And running more traffic through Hallen Marsh junction means freight is forced to take ever slimmer pickings.
I don't really see a big problem with one extra train per hour in each direction going across Avonmouth Station level crossing (Gloucester Road, next to the station) and St. Andrews Junction level crossing (King Road / King Road Ave, next to the signal box that controls all the crossings, the main port access).

In the past, Avonmouth Station crossing was really busy, but since the port decided to make King Road / King Road Ave the main entrance / exit, Avonmouth Station crossing is now quieter and is mostly used by locals and people visiting the local shops and businesses. It's a mix of both pedestrian and vehicle traffic.

St. Andrews Junction level crossing can get busy, but current crossing closure times are much reduced since the token section was replaced with more modern signalling. From 1988 through to 1993, the signal box was the start / end of the token section to Severn Beach. Every train stopped on or right next to the crossing to obtain or return the token to the signaller.

So in comparison to that, the extra two to three minutes for each extra train is not significant. And the roads are plenty long enough for the traffic that does have to queue. There are very few pedestrians that use this crossing.

Oh, and sometimes the traffic queues due to the port police checking trucks, the checkpoint is just beyond the level crossing.

A relief line was added to Stoke Gifford West junction (just West of Bristol Parkway station) when the junction was relaid only about eight years ago. This was to make operations easier for down trains from the new west/southbound platform (platform one). However, this relief line is only available for trains going in the Filton Abbey direction.

The limitation is that the connection to the line going towards Henbury (or beyond to Avonmouth) is a single line / lead junction off the main lines. So how practical it would be to have a new passenger service using this depends very much on if there are enough suitable gaps in the existing main line services.

Since the bulk handling terminal hoppers closed (after the last coal train to Aberthaw power station, the power station having closed on 31 March 2020) there hasn't been a very intensive freight service.

There are the trains that go to / from the docks (via Holesmouth Junction, just north of St. Andrews Road Station) and the trains that to go / from SERC (Severnside Energy Recovery Centre) which is a connection off the Severn Beach line. Three years ago that was two trains per 24 hours (normally at least one movement was at night) for the SERC trains.

There may be some freight trains that now use the sidings that were originally part of the bulk handling terminal. Maybe for transfer to road transport.

Unless something has changed in the last couple of years since I was last in this area, that's all the freight that is running.

Avonmouth-Henbury is quite an indirect route through mostly unpopulated areas. I’d get the crayons out and go for a new build line cutting the corner, parallel to the M5 on the south side with a station for Lawrence Weston, though that would need serious money and probably need to branch off from Shirehampton area, not Avonmouth.
It's not very far via the existing railway line between Henbury (site of the proposed new station) and Avonmouth station, so there is no chance of a new line being built. In-between Avomouth and Henbury you have the current (open) St. Andrews Road station (serviced by Severn Beach trains) and the closed station at Chittening (some of the upside platform still exists, it's near where Smoke Lane joins Chittening Road). This did serve the industrial area rather than houses. The industrial area is now larger than it was.

I'd keep the existing Cardiff-Bristol-Bath-Portsmouth semi-fast (also calling at Filton), which would serve some of the cross-Bristol flows. Then add 2ph (or 4ph if there's space) Bristol-Bath-Westbury as a metro service alongside it. The Gloucester services would terminate at Bristol.
Keep in mind that the line between Bristol and Bathampton Junction (just east of Bath) is already very busy. It's likely near capacity at certain times. And there isn't really any realistic way of easily adding capacity.

I think at least 1-2tph from Weston-super-Mare should actually start back at Taunton, so Bridgwater + Highbridge have more services. This overall service plan would require other infrastructure upgrades though, including reinstating the down loop through Bedminster & Parson Street, and having the up loop allow trains to call at Parson Street, which would allow a larger window for fast services to overtake a stopper, and/or keep the Portishead trains separate for longer. Then redoubling both WSM chords and allowing the bay platform to return to proper use would help too, along with the east-facing Taunton bay (P6) being resignalled for direct access.
To be pedantic, what you are calling loop lines between Parson Street Junction and BTM are what BR Western called Relief lines. Indeed, Network Rail still call the existing "loop" up line the Up Relief.

I've not heard of the "Weston loop line" being called "chords" before.

Reinstating the Down Relief line is on the Network Rail (wish) list of "would like to have" improvements, as is doubling the line between Worle Junction and W-s-M (this would include the reopening of the bay platform), plus doubling the line between W-s-M and Uphill Junction. But currently there is no money to pay for any of this.

Also in addition to those that you listed, doubling the part of the existing Portishead line between Clifton Bridge and where the current line is doubled at Ashton would be helpful for train regulation. And ease the operation of Ashton level crossing.

Bringing platform 2 at BTM back into passenger use (requires a change to the track layout) would help to reduce platform congestion for trains from the West that terminate here. Reinstating a West connection for platform 3 so that it becomes a through platform would also help (again the track layout need s changing, the removed points needs to be put back in).

If St. Anne's Park station is ever funded for reopening, providing relief / loop lines between this possible new station and BTM East Junction should also be considered. Although because some new bridges would be needed, this would be rather expensive.

For Portishead itself, 2tph will probably need a loop somewhere on the branch in addition to the one around Ashton Gate, either at Pill station, or in an attempt to avoid expensive accessibility upgrades, a dynamic loop west of the station.
The current new design is for a dual track through Pill station. One line for freight to / from Portbury docks and one line for passenger trains to / from Portishead. So although not a loop, it does ease mixing of the two services.
 
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Keep in mind that the line between Bristol and Bathampton Junction (just east of Bath) is already very busy. It's likely near capacity at certain times. And there isn't really any realistic way of easily adding capacity.
I would propose a total of 7ph:
2ph London as-today, 3ph semi-fast to Portsmouth/Weymouth/Oxford and 2ph all-stop to Westbury. This should be (just about...) do-able.

This overall service plan would require other infrastructure upgrades though, including reinstating the down loop through Bedminster & Parson Street, and having the up loop allow trains to call at Parson Street, which would allow a larger window for fast services to overtake a stopper, and/or keep the Portishead trains separate for longer. Then redoubling both WSM chords and allowing the bay platform to return to proper use would help too, along with the east-facing Taunton bay (P6) being resignalled for direct access.
Not necessarily - the fast services (XC and GWR Cardiff-Exeter) all tend ot have long dwell times at Temple Meads. It could be possible to add a bit of pathing time for them to fit behind stoppers between Bristol and Worle.
 

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Not necessarily - the fast services (XC and GWR Cardiff-Exeter) all tend ot have long dwell times at Temple Meads. It could be possible to add a bit of pathing time for them to fit behind stoppers between Bristol and Worle.
The easiest thing to do I think is extend the Avonmouth/Severn Beach-WSM trains to Taunton, calling at Highbridge & Bridgwater. They are currently timed such that in the down direction the stopper leaves Worle about 5-7 minutes before the XC fast passes through, while in the up the XC fast is about 5-7 minutes ahead of the stopper arriving, so the stopper is clear of the mainline while the XC is passing through both ways. This could be problematic though if XC doubled their frequency south of Bristol, something I think needs to happen and has been an aspiration of theirs before. This is where new loops and/or improved signalling headways would be helpful.
 

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Keep in mind that the line between Bristol and Bathampton Junction (just east of Bath) is already very busy. It's likely near capacity at certain times. And there isn't really any realistic way of easily adding capacity.
Reinstating the Bristol - London via Badminton flyers that never got off the ground due to COVID would permit a slowing of the current Londons via Bathampton which would probably release two paths an hour. Losers would be Chippenham to Bristol o po passengers - but not if at least one of the extra trains went that way…
However, that would then mean more trains to squeeze through Stoke Gifford.
Really radical thought. New flying junction somewhere just east of Bristol Parkway to allow the lines through the station to be paired by route (pl 1&2 to/from Temple Meads, 3&4 for South Wales). Think the outside platforms are long enough…
 

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Reinstating the Bristol - London via Badminton flyers that never got off the ground due to COVID would permit a slowing of the current Londons via Bathampton which would probably release two paths an hour. Losers would be Chippenham to Bristol o po passengers - but not if at least one of the extra trains went that way…
However, that would then mean more trains to squeeze through Stoke Gifford.
Really radical thought. New flying junction somewhere just east of Bristol Parkway to allow the lines through the station to be paired by route (pl 1&2 to/from Temple Meads, 3&4 for South Wales). Think the outside platforms are long enough…
Well, that's the other place where there is a very busy two track railway, between Bristol Parkway and Westerleigh Junction. Trying to increase capacity here would also be rather expensive. It's already four aspect signalling and adding extra lines means widening cuttings and embankments and new brides and viaducts.

Having a flying junction somewhere just east of Bristol Parkway would also mean some interesting engineering given that there are two road bridges above the existing railway followed by railway bridges over Old Gloucester Road and then the M4 motorway.

All four platforms are 280 metres long.
 

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.Since the bulk handling terminal hoppers closed (after the last coal train to Aberthaw power station, the power station having closed on 31 March 2020) there hasn't been a very intensive freight service.

There are the trains that go to / from the docks (via Holesmouth Junction, just north of St. Andrews Road Station) and the trains that to go / from SERC (Severnside Energy Recovery Centre) which is a connection off the Severn Beach line. Three years ago that was two trains per 24 hours (normally at least one movement was at night) for the SERC trains.

There may be some freight trains that now use the sidings that were originally part of the bulk handling terminal. Maybe for transfer to road transport.

Unless something has changed in the last couple of years since I was last in this area, that's all the freight that is running.
Some of the current freight traffic at Avonmouth is related to construction of Hinkley C power station, with materials taken onwards by coastal shipping. This will be dropping out in the next few years releasing some further capacity.
 

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Dft has issued an announcement regarding Portishead line

Couple of snippets :
25 minutes to Bristol Temple Meads
Opening during 2028
Will eventually connect through to Bristol Brabazon and Aviva Arena (why eventually, and what happened to Henbury ?)

More than 50,000 people in North Somerset are a step closer to getting train services back after more than 60 years, as work begins to restore the railway line to Portishead.

The government has invested over £63 million to reconnect Portishead and Pill to the railway network, making journeys quicker, easier and more reliable while supporting jobs, housing and investment across the region.

With services due to begin in 2028, passengers will be able to travel directly between Portishead and Bristol Temple Meads in around 25 minutes – less than half the time journeys can take by car during rush hour traffic.

The line will provide an hourly service between Portishead and Bristol Temple Meads, calling at Pill, Parson Street and Bedminster, improving connections, unlocking housing and employment opportunities and creating an estimated £43 million of economic growth for the region each year.

In time, the restored railway line will eventually connect through to Bristol Brabazon – one of the UK’s largest new communities – and the new Aviva Arena, giving residents and visitors fast, easy access to the region’s biggest music, sport and entertainment events.

 

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Dft has issued an announcement regarding Portishead line

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25 minutes to Bristol Temple Meads
Opening during 2028
Will eventually connect through to Bristol Brabazon and Aviva Arena (why eventually, and what happened to Henbury ?)
No disrespect to Henbury, but the marketing value of through trains from Portishead to the Arena is rather greater than of through trains to Henbury- even if they are the same trains.
 

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Bearing in mind Arena events will be off peak, I can’t see rail being an attractive proposition to the Arena from Portishead given it will take around 45 mins on a through train and there only being one train an hour on both branches. Currently it is showing as 17 mins by road.
 

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Bearing in mind Arena events will be off peak, I can’t see rail being an attractive proposition to the Arena from Portishead given it will take around 45 mins on a through train and there only being one train an hour on both branches. Currently it is showing as 17 mins by road.
Still more of a selling point than through trains to Henbury. It will be advantageous if your local station is Parson St or Bedminster though - although better than 1tph will really be needed.
 

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Bearing in mind Arena events will be off peak, I can’t see rail being an attractive proposition to the Arena from Portishead given it will take around 45 mins on a through train and there only being one train an hour on both branches. Currently it is showing as 17 mins by road.
It won't be 17 minutes when there's an arena event on, and the train lets you have a drink at the show if you're so inclined.
 

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Bearing in mind Arena events will be off peak, I can’t see rail being an attractive proposition to the Arena from Portishead given it will take around 45 mins on a through train and there only being one train an hour on both branches. Currently it is showing as 17 mins by road.
It took me nearly an hour to get from Parkway last night - granted due to the filton flyover being closed - but that was just usual rush hour traffic. The roads around the arena will not cope very well with getting back to J17.. its bad enough currently at weekends with people just going to the Mall etc.

What would have been more appealing to me is being able to use Portway P&R and go around via the Henbury loops but that's not happening anytime soon. Questions must remain about the capacity availability in same way even if we get an Ashton Gate station it won't be open on match days..
 

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It took me nearly an hour to get from Parkway last night - granted due to the filton flyover being closed - but that was just usual rush hour traffic. The roads around the arena will not cope very well with getting back to J17.. its bad enough currently at weekends with people just going to the Mall etc.

What would have been more appealing to me is being able to use Portway P&R and go around via the Henbury loops but that's not happening anytime soon. Questions must remain about the capacity availability in same way even if we get an Ashton Gate station it won't be open on match days..
I tend to think should have made the station platforms nearer 170m long, so that they could run 8car EMUs (if ever electrified) or BEMUs, or pairs of 3car DMUs on busy event days. Especially as the Arena and Football ground (and Cricket ground, and balloon festival) are all likely to have busy days.

The idea that 120m platforms with short trains and an hourly service will cope seems misguided, if add in surrounding towns, Bristol area is nearer half million people. So building a system with capacity of just 280 seats an hour sounds tiny.

It appears the plans for all the Burns stations in South Wales have 170m platforms to cope with rush hour and event days, and some of those trains will continue to Bristol area.

It sort of feels opted for bare minimum, with no serious provision to encourage those travelling to Bristol for events to use public transport
 

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