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KR Models ceased trading

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It is with deep regret and sadness that we have to inform you that KR Models has gone into liquidation. Sadly, economic trading conditions at the moment are very tough for everybody. With global economic uncertainty, costs to every business have been pushed up to unforeseeable levels.


Sadly we have not been immune from these issues, and following on from news that one major manufacturer has been bought out to ensure their survival, and another has increasingly shifted to a direct sale approach to preserve the viability of their business model, we have reached a major crunch point. Our warehouse contains a large quantity of unsold stock. This is a lot of money tied up in assets that just are no longer selling, and we have been faced with an inability to raise the money required to pay the outstanding balance on our newest model that had just finished production in China. As the factory will understandably not release the models until the full batch is paid for, we have reached a point at which we have no choice but to shut our doors.


Our business model has always been one where customers can have the choice of either paying up front for a model, or waiting until it arrives into stock to order. We even introduced a payment plan so that you could spread the cost to help modellers buy expensive models. Do not believe anyone who seeks to further their own profile with videos or social media posts claiming otherwise.


When we first began, we came into the hobby not long before, a company that employed a crowdfunding model, DJ Models, had gone bust. It was not a good time to start a model manufacturer as a result. DJ Models had been a pure crowdfunding business, whereas we were not, despite the attempts by some to smear us with the same brush. We fought to overcome the stigma, and won awards for our first model - the GT3. We are very proud of that beginning. But the stigma left by DJ Models was strong, and it left a lot of suspicion of any new entrant to the market.


Our second model, the Fell, was a compromise. The reason why? The real Fell changed a lot over its short life. If we made a model that was of a specific moment in its life then we would have severely limited sales of what was always going to be a niche model. So we chose to make something that could represent Fell through her life. We were slated for that, but we knew that the realities of bringing a model to market are very different from what armchair experts would have you believe.


Where that model went wrong was that a large batch of the wheels used had a fault with wheel bushes that were not picked up until after the models shipped. By that time it was too late. Models in China are made via a main factory that then subcontracts different parts to other factories. There can be a vast supply chain, and it might surprise some people to know that there are factories that make nothing but motors, circuit boards, or wheels. They probably make parts for dozens of different manufacturers around the World. In our case those parts had a weakness and it caused an unacceptably high proportion of models to fail.


Despite the claims from certain social media influencers banging their drum for views, we did care. So much so that we undertook a programme of repairing all models under warranty, even though it made us make a huge loss on the model. We honoured our warranty and ordered in hundreds of new wheels. We paid for return postage and had a team of people fix models, sometimes even technically outside of warranty periods, because we felt it was the right thing to do. Those with an agenda to gain views from misfortune never point that out.


Unfortunately around this time the campaigns against KR really got into full swing, influencing followers and spreading misinformation about our business and models. This is very damaging for any business, and coupled with the problems caused by DJ Models' demise, we were left always on the back foot.


The Leader had some issues on a few models with failed wheel bushes and damaged whistles. We actually traced the issue to a pallet of models having been damaged in the factory after packing in their inner blister but before being put in their outer box. We did not know of this until warranty claims were made. But again, we honoured warranty and made sure spares were available to fix every model that was presented for repair at no cost to the consumer.


Our Hunslet model generated a single warranty return which was traced to a displaced bogie retaining clip and was easily fixed. We are rightly proud of that model, but the detractors conveniently never talk about it. Other models have had some teething troubles, but we never shirked warranty, and made sure they were repaired.


With our 4DD some of the bogie retaining screws were over tightened. We asked people to loosen all six per model, but spurred on by a sense of "they should fix it" drummed up by influencers looking to create drama out of small issues for the views, so many people sent models back at our expense for a technician to spend 20 seconds backing six screws off two turns. That costs money that has to come from somewhere.


Sadly the negative campaigning by one influencer in particular became too much. Their constant attempts to spread lies about our business model and portray our models as all junk had an influence on customers. They cancelled orders or just did not purchase when the models arrived. Our warehouse contains a huge amount of unsold stock orphaned in this way, because someone told their followers to avoid our models, and they listened to their word without checking the models out for themselves. Those that have paid in full for models should thank the influencers and their campaign for creating the environment that left you severely out of pocket.


Sadly the crunch point has been reached. KR Models has ceased trading as a result.



What this means for you


Our website and Facebook page have been taken offline. As we are no longer trading, we are required to do this.
Those with preorders paid up front should contact their credit card provider for a refund where possible. If you cannot, then sadly you become an unsecured creditor of the business and must wait for the outcome of the winding up proceedings. If there is enough money left after other liabilities have been settled, then unsecured creditors will get some or all of their money back.
Warranty claims are no longer able to be met with the company no longer trading. We would like to reassure those who had already sent models to us that these are safe, and will be repaired and returned - your model will not disappear into an administration void. Please be patient and we will get the repaired model back to you as fast as possible.
Model repairs may be able to be carried out by a third party if this can be arranged. This will happen for as long as spare parts remain available, however there would be a charge made for the work and you would be liable for paying postage costs. We will make our customers aware if and when this is set up. Please note that it would be provided by a third party not connected with KR Models.



What happens to future unreleased models?


The tooling exists and is complete for the Shay, Bellerophon, Big Bertha, DHP1 and in addition the torpedo wagons are at an advanced state. The Shay is produced, but remains the property of the Chinese factory that made them. These may appear via another manufacturer in time, however that is outside of our control. Please remember that even if you paid up front for a Shay, these models do not and never did belong to KR Models and you would need to pay the new owners for one if you chose to get one.


Currently we are in negotiations with a manufacturer for the sale of our previous tooling. This should allow previous models to reappear at a future date. Whichever manufacturer who buys them will tell you about it if and when they are ready to.


New tooling that has not yet been released is also part of negotiations. This is complicated by the fact that many Chinese factories offer tooling at a reduced development and production cost in return for effectively tying the first production run to their factory. This means that the tooling cannot just be sold and moved to the factory of choice by a manufacturer and may complicate the models appearing quickly. Our unreleased tooling fell into this category. Again, it is up to any manufacturer who buys it to tell you about that if and when they wish to. Do not ask us as this will remain a commercial secret. Again, please note that if that manufacturer runs that tooling then even if you paid KR Models in full for a model, it does not entitle you to one of their production run, and you would have to purchase a model from them at the rate they set.


Projects that had not progressed to tooling should be considered cancelled and defunct with immediate effect. This includes any of our three unannounced projects that you may have heard rumours of.


And finally


We would like to thank all our customers for their support over the years, and we hope that our models will provide years of enjoyment and service on your layout.


Keep on enjoying the greatest hobby in the World. Don't let anybody tell you what you should or shouldn't like. There is no one right way to make a model railway, and don't listen to anyone who puts you down. Also, if you don't like an aspect of railway modelling, then remember that store bought products to make your life easier are fine. It's okay to hate ballasting; no-one of value will judge you for it.
 
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I know that the owner must be incredibly despondent about the business failing. However there does seem to be a lot of blame shifting in that statement.

Does anyone on here own any of their models? If so what have your experiences been?
 

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I have the Leader and 4DD
There were reports of wheels falling off the Leader from some, however mine arrived fine and runs nicely. A few small detail parts had fallen off, but that isn’t exactly unusual these days and it was nowhere near the worst I’ve had.

the 4DD failed to run without derailing and took a fair amount of fettling (mostly just loosening the screws that held the weights to the chassis, as these squashed the coupling mechanism). To be fair to KR, they did release instructions on what to do fairly quickly. Not ideal, but at least they didn’t just ignore it.

Both of them are still reliable runners.
 

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The recently released GW Mica van is overlong which was likely to have been the final nail in the coffin
 

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I have a pair of Hunslet Bo-Bo's. Brilliant models and a reminder of my happy visits to Scunthorpe many moons ago. Real shame about the business, and if what's mentioned above about certain social media users is anywhere like the truth, those morons should be ashamed.
 

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I have a pair of Hunslet Bo-Bo's. Brilliant models and a reminder of my happy visits to Scunthorpe many moons ago. Real shame about the business, and if what's mentioned above about certain social media users is anywhere like the truth, those morons should be ashamed.
KR Models made their own bed to lie in. There was no smoke without fire. Yes some people are willing to buy a model for a very high cost that no one else is building, but they were building very niche products at a high price with poor quality and people vote with their feet (or wallets) and when you are asking people to cough up money up front for a model, you live off how good your previous model was.
 

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KR Models made their own bed to lie in
I can't comment on that. No in depth knowledge of same, and (granted) there are often two sides to any situation. That said my purchases from them (as mentioned) I have no issues with at all.
 

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I ordered a DHP1 by credit card to the invoice value of £164.50.
KR models no longer trading and as advised by KR models by a farewell e-mail to customers, I initiated a section 75 request for refund with the credit card company.
So far no refund, only emails to and fro requesting information, some e-mail requests are for information already submitted ( do they actually read the submissions in full).
Has anyone succeeded in a section 75 refund?
If yes, what is the magic word or phrase to trigger a refund?
 

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You can try this link:


Did you receive your model? If you did not, then you should have a claim as the company (KR) have ceased trading. I don't know if the company went bust or voluntarily wound up. I don't know the law around this.

If you received your model and you are unhappy with it, it may be difficult to prove that it is sub-standard because if it looks right (to the manufacturer) and works, then you probably have no recourse.

Link above takes you to a website called MoneySavingExpert (by Martin Lewis)
 

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There are always two sides to the story. Frankly, a lot of the flak that came their way was totally unjustified, and there was a small posse of self-proclaimed experts who delighted in jumping on *anything*- of particular note IMHO was the Fell- it took ~40 pages of the thread over 2+ years to conclusively produce images of both sides, which I got banned from the thread for pointing out the hypocrisy of this and the 'experts' who promptly proclaimed everything that was 'wrong' with it, and that plenty of people (like me!) were perfectly happy with what they'd revcieved...

On the flip side, Keith's communication was in general atrocious and with an attitude to boot.
This is I suspect what killed things in the end; if he'd been a little less confrontational with the aforementioned, things might have been different / quieter all round.
 

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The problem with most of the KR stuff is poor R&D plus poor assembly and livery application. Loose parts including wheels abound. I suspect a number of the tooling will get reused, tweaked where practicable to address some of the issues, under another brand and models assembled with a bit more care. As the body of the Fell is such a hotchpot I doubt that will reappear.
The Hunslet Bo-Bo is probably the best of the lot but a touch basic in places for a mid 2020s model.
Of course poor livery application is not necessarily limited to KR - thinks of claimed GW and BR greens from Dapol and Hornby plus the mess Dapol made of the Pullman 73s. Some slight variation in livery is perfectly authentic for models of locos etc that where brush painted and the paint mixed on site.
 

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RM Web forum has a set of KR threads, running over several years, which gave a stark insight into the trends of a) models' quality-control, b) design shortcomings and c) its after-sales support and communication.

GT-3 and the Hunslet BoBo seemed, on the whole, to be well-made and well-received. I did not see a positive trend for any other of KR Models' locos or wagons.


When I think how - for example - Rapido UK handles its post-sales where fault(s) identified*, their approach is spot-on.

* By way of example, an electrical design fault was identified by Rapido, following their first release of LNER Dynamometer car models.
I was notified via email, I received a pre-paid secure packing box with an impact-resistant material, to return my model to Rapido for checks and any corrective action. My model was then returned, fixed, to me within four weeks of me sending.
 
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I ordered a DHP1 by credit card to the invoice value of £164.50.
KR models no longer trading and as advised by KR models by a farewell e-mail to customers, I initiated a section 75 request for refund with the credit card company.
So far no refund, only emails to and fro requesting information, some e-mail requests are for information already submitted ( do they actually read the submissions in full).
Has anyone succeeded in a section 75 refund?
If yes, what is the magic word or phrase to trigger a refund?
I'm pleased to report, a Section75 refund application has been processed and the credit card company has offered a refund in full for the DHP1 order.
 

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I'm pleased to report, a Section75 refund application has been processed and the credit card company has offered a refund in full for the DHP1 order.
Do you mind me asking what information you have to give them? I’ve tried to put a claim in but they are asking for Terms and Conditions which I can’t find.
 

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The Credit Card company, in my situation Mastercard, required a set of four pieces of information:

1) the statement for the credit card showing the transaction to KR models, a online credit card e-statement was satisfactory.
2) the invoice from KR to the purchaser, again an e-invoice was satisfactory, KR models sent an invoice by e-mail on placing the order.
3) evidence that KR models had ceased trading, I supplied the e-mail mailshot to customers from KR advising the closure of the business and advising customers to seek redress by the S75 refund procedure with the credit card company.
Now the tricky part:
4) evidence of my efforts as the purchaser to seek supply of the goods from KR models.

For evidence of my efforts I composed a short e-mail to KR models, taking the e-mail address of KR models from the invoice from KR on placing the order.
My e-mail stated:
a) I have not received the goods paid for shown on the invoice number (quote your invoice number)
b) a request for a delivery date.
c) a statement concerning the trading position of KR models.

The e-mail after sending was quickly returned by the e-mail postmaster system as undeliverable.
The returned e-mail including the " undeliverable " postmaster message was sent to the credit card company as evidence of both "my efforts" and the trading position of KR models.

I do hope the above will assist and lead to success.
The card company refunded the full amount of £164.50 paid to KR models.
Note: I'd rather have a DHP1 model, I hope Bachmann / EFE come to the rescue and commission a production run on the DHP1 tooling
 
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I have a pair of Hunslet Bo-Bo's. Brilliant models and a reminder of my happy visits to Scunthorpe many moons ago. Real shame about the business, and if what's mentioned above about certain social media users is anywhere like the truth, those morons should be ashamed.
The “moron” you are referring to is an extremely trusted YouTuber, who I have never had any problems following the advice of. KR Models made some really poor models that said YouTuber reviewed negatively, that’s not a moron.
 

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