brad465
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He'd be a decent Attorney General, given Richard Hermer is unlikely to remain, however I wouldn't be surprised if Burnham returns to the previous "tradition" of putting a loyalist with a legal background in that post.
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Starmer thinking that he can get away with "resignation honours" through a legalistic technicality that they are planned honours with coincidental timing is a fitting tribute to the end of his political premiership!
Not since the famous suits of Lord Alli have we seen such amusement.
Not since the famous suits of Lord Alli have we seen such amusement.
Resignation honours are awarded post resignation (by months not days) and are not multiparty like these are.
I’m sure you’re right, but it’s still a bad look, playing with words by saying that honours dished out after resignation aren’t ”resignation honours”.
These are not resignation honours. If you look at the actual list they were proposed by the leaders of Labour, the Lib Dems, the Conservatives, and include cross-bench peers as well: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/political-peerages-july-2026
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Or time to close this thread and start a new one.
Purple Train
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Indeed, but it is a fitting end to a premiership dogged by a complete lack of political timing. Starmer is the anti-Farage - making the good look morally bad, somehow. I don't know how he does it.
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Well - Andy Burnham is now officially prime minister.
Here goes. I don't have much hope that the country will prove itself governable but I have relatively high hopes for Burnham himself. Good to see a Northerner in charge, and particularly someone who is relatively isolated from the Westminster bubble. I'm also pretty pleased that he is our first Labour and Co-operative Prime Minister, which I hope is a good indication of his policies but we'll see. Someone I know who tends towards Reform commented appreciatively that he "knows how real people live" (although they may have been being polite!) - if this is a widespread sentiment, maybe Reform could be in trouble?
Anyway, good luck Andy, I'm sure he'll need it.
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martin butler
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He will get exactly the same treatment, because he is not what the elite wants, he's not their puppet, and hopefully won't dance to their tune,
Social media only want one thing, a racist facist government, so they can dream of being the master race,
white people lording it over people of colour, and anyone they don't think fits their ideal world.
Social media only want one thing, a racist facist government, so they can dream of being the master race,
white people lording it over people of colour, and anyone they don't think fits their ideal world.
I don't think you can tar "social media" with one brush, given that the views expressed represent the full gamut of society.
brad465
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In news that is probably unexpected, John Healey is the new Chancellor:
www.bbc.co.uk
Andy Burnham pledges to show how policies will be paid for after ex-minister hits out at 'unfunded' tax cut
The new prime minister tells his cabinet "we need to be a cost of living government". Earlier, he announced VAT would be removed from household electricity bills in October.
www.bbc.co.uk
While his wider ambitions remain to be seen, I think it's a safe bet Defence will get all the funding he wanted, otherwise he'd have refused the role if he is passionate about defence still.
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Really, I don't believe can say anyone who is slightly right wing or even more than slightly is a fascist racist.
Like can't claim anyone with left leaning views is a raging communist. This sort of labelling is dangerous and untrue.
Quite. We just had a right wing politician murdered in her own house. The way people talk about others does matter.
Nicholas Lewis
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Shabana Mahmoood retained as Home Secretary is good move despite a lot of left wing noise about her policies but he needs to keep Reform at bay for the time being.In news that is probably unexpected, John Healey is the new Chancellor:
Andy Burnham pledges to show how policies will be paid for after ex-minister hits out at 'unfunded' tax cut
The new prime minister tells his cabinet "we need to be a cost of living government". Earlier, he announced VAT would be removed from household electricity bills in October.
While his wider ambitions remain to be seen, I think it's a safe bet Defence will get all the funding he wanted, otherwise he'd have refused the role if he is passionate about defence still.
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Has there been any mention of his rail policies? There was things discussed on the radio a few weeks ago about him potentially reviving HS2's northern leg.
So far in my opinion he is a bit too northern and a bit too Manchester-centric. His focus on the north is not going to appeal to voters in the Midlands and the South West let alone London and the South East. Sure the country might be seen as too London-centric but making it Manchester-centric is not the answer. Also giving it to Manchester without any contest sounds like pork-barrel politics.
In particular, I think having a Number 10 in the north is a very bad idea. Sure, having executive agencies like the DVLA in Swansea and the Maritime and Coastguard Agency in Southampton is good at getting things outside of London. But in my opinion, the Ministerial departments and in particular, Number 10 all need to stay in Whitehall. Having multiple capitals with various ministerial departments in more than one city just does not work.
So far in my opinion he is a bit too northern and a bit too Manchester-centric. His focus on the north is not going to appeal to voters in the Midlands and the South West let alone London and the South East. Sure the country might be seen as too London-centric but making it Manchester-centric is not the answer. Also giving it to Manchester without any contest sounds like pork-barrel politics.
In particular, I think having a Number 10 in the north is a very bad idea. Sure, having executive agencies like the DVLA in Swansea and the Maritime and Coastguard Agency in Southampton is good at getting things outside of London. But in my opinion, the Ministerial departments and in particular, Number 10 all need to stay in Whitehall. Having multiple capitals with various ministerial departments in more than one city just does not work.
treasury brain
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Heidi stays in post.
Nicholas Lewis
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Umm must believe that the new railways act will ensure the North gets control of its rail services so let Alexander continue to drive it forward. This suggest Hendy will remain as well to pilot bill through the Lords.
brad465
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This should also mean any delivery continues at existing pace, as a change in Minister causes a delay to anything in the department while the new Minister gets up to speed, and an even bigger delay if the new person wants to change things.
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What really underlines the situation for me is how political commentators of all stances are putting out content trying to answer "What does Andy Burnham plan to do?"
In a "normal" election, there would be a manifesto as a starting point. Although I reluctantly accept that there have been very few premierships where a PM has started and finished at a general election
But taking the 2024 election as an example - we had a manifest to judge Starmer and Reeves by; no taxes on working people, stability, not corrupt etc ... which they immediately abandoned ... but now it's ambiguous whether we should be judging Burnham against the benchmark of Starmer's manifesto, what he said in Makerfield, or some other metric
In a "normal" election, there would be a manifesto as a starting point. Although I reluctantly accept that there have been very few premierships where a PM has started and finished at a general election
But taking the 2024 election as an example - we had a manifest to judge Starmer and Reeves by; no taxes on working people, stability, not corrupt etc ... which they immediately abandoned ... but now it's ambiguous whether we should be judging Burnham against the benchmark of Starmer's manifesto, what he said in Makerfield, or some other metric
Tezza1978
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I imagine that No 10 will have a firm control on economic matters and transport projects given they are Andy Burnham's key priorities. Social care and housing being the other one that will be big though he will devolve more here to Cooper and Rayner as the size of the task is - enormous.
I imagine on the economy and on rail/wider transport he rightly wants more hands on, semi- day to day involvement. Investment and an accelerated timetable for HS 2A (renamed) and NPR will be a given.
Interesting times!
I imagine on the economy and on rail/wider transport he rightly wants more hands on, semi- day to day involvement. Investment and an accelerated timetable for HS 2A (renamed) and NPR will be a given.
Interesting times!
I'm not sure that the general performance of Whitehall activities over the past 15 or so years supports your argument.
Anything other than squashing NIMBYs and a total planning reform so this country can cheaply build housing and infrastructure again will make him just another lackey
Disappointed on Day 1 he's lied about how the VAT reduction is funded (by using funds that hadn't been found for Digital ID and in any case falling short). Not a great start
Disappointed on Day 1 he's lied about how the VAT reduction is funded (by using funds that hadn't been found for Digital ID and in any case falling short). Not a great start
brad465
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About time we finally get a Brexit benefit
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What are we into, day 2? how many calls have there been demanding he call a general election? thing is if Reform starts sliding, in the polls, and Labours policies do start making the disaffected voter's life's better they risk losing what MP's they have.
I think we need to give Andy Burnham time, but already doing something to help homelessness is a good start, but I just hope it includes provision for mental health nurses, and addiction councilors, possibly involving the charitable sector, because these are very damaged people. and if it's to actually work, it's going to need help.
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I think we need to give Andy Burnham time, but already doing something to help homelessness is a good start, but I just hope it includes provision for mental health nurses, and addiction councilors, possibly involving the charitable sector, because these are very damaged people. and if it's to actually work, it's going to need help.
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Unfortunately, much of the commenters on the right, would subscribe to the sort of policies authoritarian regimes have practiced, such as demonising anyone who opposes them, reducing them to being viewed as not worthy of any rights, such as fair trails, and human rights, along much of the same way Germany treated dissidents, and minority groups.
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This reads like you're implying the calls for a general election are because he hasn't achieved anything yet? The calls are because they think he lacks a mandate. And I don't think he has talked about the manifesto recently - only Lucy Powell has I believe. I don't recall him mentioning it in his speech
nlogax
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This is all about the mandate argument. Even Badenoch doesn't believe an election needs to be called.
We don't vote for Prime Ministers in this country.