Tobytrain10
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Oh yeah, i didnt notice that originally, along with the fact it stops at quite alot of places and stops over an hour in some places, still find it insane though that its a 24 hour path
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HST125Scorton
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Formation when it passed me was 37706 + POB + (Tender First) 44871 + 37685.
HertiageFan
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Rods removed I believe
saltley 1394
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It 40 mph maximum speed because, they are no brakes on the steam loco. It's all down too available brake force.
HertiageFan
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The following excursions will now be diesel hauled:
18th July: West Somerset Steam Express, now hauled by a pair of West Coast Railways Class 33s, now advertised as ‘The West Somerset Express’
18th July: The Settle and Carlisle Steam Special, now hauled by a West Coast Railways diesel TBC, Now advertised as ‘The Settle and Carlisle Special’
19th July: The Waverley, now hauled by a West Coast Railways class 37
22nd July: Dorset Coast
Express, now hauled by a TBC West Coast Railways diesel
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18th July: West Somerset Steam Express, now hauled by a pair of West Coast Railways Class 33s, now advertised as ‘The West Somerset Express’
18th July: The Settle and Carlisle Steam Special, now hauled by a West Coast Railways diesel TBC, Now advertised as ‘The Settle and Carlisle Special’
19th July: The Waverley, now hauled by a West Coast Railways class 37
22nd July: Dorset Coast
Express, now hauled by a TBC West Coast Railways diesel
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Dave S 56F
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I thought 40mph was the max speed allowed for tender 1st incase the tender derails I once got told.
martin butler
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Tender first is normally 45mph, But if the engines running without rods, then the speed will be much lower, most likely 30 mph, with stops to check for lubrication, hot boxes etc,
Just connecting rods removed, otherwise if they'd have removed all of the motion they'd have to start messing around with the ballance blocks....
martin butler
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Piston rods ,are con rods, they connect the motion from the pistons to the driving wheels, the rods connecting the driving wheels are coupling rods,
Was 44781 being towed dead, that would explain why several longer stops were scheduled, for pots to be examined and lubricators to be wound
But why tow her to Fort William, and not back to Carnforth where better facilities if a rod needs re-metalling are?
HertiageFan
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So it can partake in ‘The Jacobite’ excursions
Deepgreen
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I believe 45mph is the maximum tender-first because visibility of the line ahead is much poorer.
martin butler
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Yes, that is the reason, its to do with visability whilst running tender first, anyone who has been on the footplate running tender first will tell you how poor it can be some tenders are better than others, for example something with a low or inset bunker is better than say an A4,
HertiageFan
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Please could anyone tell which locomotives will be hauling tomorrow’s Waverley?
Thank you in advance
Thank you in advance
martin butler
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I would have thought so, because normally the engine even if piloted by a diesel, would be in light steam, with the regulator cracked so steam cushions the valves,
In this instance though, the 5 was being towed dead, with con rods removed, the only time rods are removed is if the engine has run a bearing either small end, or big end, or has cylinder issues, such as water carry over that's taken out the front cover, and Fort William I would think won't have the facilities to re-metal bearings,
Kentish RYS
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I thought that the max speed for tender first was more the case tbe tenders, particularly if lower in water and fuel can ride very badly? Or at least I remember am this being mentioned in the Railway Magazine many years ago in a Practice and Performance on tender first running (I think it was a particular region or area but but it was over a decade ago, too long to remember exactly)
martin butler
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Tenders do tend to hunt, that is rock from side to side when leading, I can remember a certain S160, that used to do it up and down at the same time, it tender first even at just 25 mph, was very lively, until you got used to it, you risked putting more coal on the floor than in the firebox.
HertiageFan
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Hello all, today’s Waverley is 47812 with 47813 on the rear, no 37 as advertised
HertiageFan
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Yes it seems to be class 47s
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Saturday’s Cumbrian Mountain Express will be hauled by 86259 to Carlisle then hauled by a diesel across the Settle and Carlisle line before changing back to 86259 at Preston
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Does anyone know if Wednesday’s Scarborough Spa Express will be steam hauled as it is pathed at 60 mph max?
Thank you
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If not, would it be a class 37? Thank you
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MboroFC
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Does anyone know what's on tomorrows 1Z63 0752 Carnforth to Scarborough and the return please?
Thanks
Thanks
yorkshirerail
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Reported as 47812 and 47813
HertiageFan
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I was hoping for 34067, as it has been a bit rainy near Normanton and the local area, however it seems not.
MboroFC
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If they were going to use steam would the recent weather along the whole route be considered instead of just one part of the journey?
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HertiageFan
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Can anyone confirm please
Think we need a lot more rain for steam to start again
MboroFC
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Yes can confirm as 812 and 813
Iskra
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Is there any indication of what diesel is doing this Saturday's tour alongside the 86?