Loss of Signalling - Various Across Yorkshire 11/7/26

43095john · 11 Jul 2026

Appears approx 1800 there was a loss of all signalling at Leeds stopping services for a while, some has been restored however there is another loss of signalling affecting the Signalling Panel the controls Outwood - Fitzwilliam. Believed to be a possible Power Failure

Not ideal given the John Smiths Race meeting at York plus the Football tonight

Northern advising "Do Not Travel" across most of West Yorkshire

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800001 · 11 Jul 2026

43095john said:
Appears approx 1800 there was a loss of all signalling at Leeds stopping services for a while, some has been restored however there is another loss of signalling affecting the Signalling Panel the controls Outwood - Fitzwilliam. Believed to be a possible Power Failure

Not ideal given the John Smiths Race meeting at York plus the Football tonight

Northern advising "Do Not Travel" across most of West Yorkshire

Northern on X have posted the following;-

Due to failure of the electricity supply, we advise that you Do Not Travel on the following routes:

-Leeds - Skipton/Ilkley/Bradford Forster Square
-Leeds - York via Harrogate
-Leeds - Sheffield via Moorthorpe
-Leeds - Sheffield via Barnsley
-Leeds - Doncaster
-Leeds - Bradford Interchange and Manchester
-Leeds - Knottingley via Castleford and Wakefield

Disruption is expected until the end of the day

NORTHERN (@northernassist) on X

⚠️Due to failure of the electricity supply, we advise that you Do Not Travel on the following routes: -Leeds - Skipton/Ilkley/Bradford Forster Square -Leeds - York via Harrogate -Leeds - Sheffield via Moorthorpe -Leeds - Sheffield via Barnsley -Leeds - Doncaster -Leeds -

x.com

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Edit 20:00 services now seeming to be operating between Leeds and Doncaster

30907 · 11 Jul 2026

800001 said:
Northern on X have posted the following;-

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Edit 20:00 services now seeming to be operating between Leeds and Doncaster

Most routes seem to be open (I bailed at Crossflatts off 1732 SKI-BDQ which seems to have been allowed forward to Bingley after 30min, but then held for a further hour) with delays up to 90min.

MichaelTrains · 11 Jul 2026

30907 said:
Most routes seem to be open (I bailed at Crossflatts off 1732 SKI-BDQ which seems to have been allowed forward to Bingley after 30min, but then held for a further hour) with delays up to 90min.

That is incorrect. Nothing is running on the triangle.

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There are around 30 passengers at Forster Square.

We have been told that coaches are being put on for those of us wanting Ilkley and Skipton trains.

skyhigh · 11 Jul 2026

MichaelTrains said:
We have been told that coaches are being put on for those of us wanting Ilkley and Skipton trains.

There are no coaches.

21:10
DO NOT TRAVEL: no trains will be running for the rest of the day in the Leeds, Bradford, Sheffield and York areas. No rail replacement buses are available - please make alternative arrangements and claim back via Delay Repay at northernrailway.co.uk/delayrepay.

MichaelTrains · 11 Jul 2026

skyhigh said:
There are no coaches.

We have been told that coaches are coming.

How else do they expect people to get home?

GraphitProjekt · 11 Jul 2026

What is the scale of the signalling outage? Is it actually everything from Armley Jnc to Shipton? Or is it specifically around the Shipley triangle meaning all routes are affected?

800001 · 11 Jul 2026

MichaelTrains said:
We have been told that coaches are coming.

How else do they expect people to get home?

By booking there own taxi (if able to afford the cost) and then claiming back from Northern

M60lad · 11 Jul 2026

It seemed to be affecting everything in/around Leeds from what I saw when I was there about 19:00, they were only letting limited trains leave from what I could gather.

speedy1 · 11 Jul 2026

Man, Northern are being so slippery on Twitter:

You will be entitled to a full refund

Verifying your browser…

I would advise seeking alternative transport and requesting a refund on your ticket.

Verifying your browser…

(further discussions can be found clicking various discussions at https://xcancel.com/northernassist/with_replies )

They seem to be deliberately misleading people into paying for taxis and only requesting a refund of the ticket. And omitting their obligations

edit: and this total utter nonsense:

when a Do Not Travel notice is put in place due to major disruption, we cannot provide alternatives

https://xcancel.com/northernassist/status/2076028154922086727

Kite159 · 11 Jul 2026

speedy1 said:
Man, Northern are being so slippery on Twitter:

"And the cost of alternative transport is paid by??" -> "You will be entitled to a full refund [of your ticket]"

"I would advise seeking alternative transport and requesting a refund on your ticket."

"So what are the options?" -> "You will be entitled to a full refund and we advise you find alternative transport because of this."

They seem to be deliberately misleading people into paying for taxis and only requesting a refund of the ticket. And omitting their obligations

Typical Northern trying to get out of their legal requirements, sadly some passengers will simply roll over and allow Northern to get away with it

MichaelTrains · 11 Jul 2026

Kite159 said:
Typical Northern trying to get out of their legal requirements, sadly some passengers will simply roll over and allow Northern to get away with it

I've held out for a taxi.

After telling us that coaches were coming.

They then tried to move us on off the platforms, so they could go home.

Myself and a couple of others refused and now we've got a taxi booked.

matthewjohnson · 11 Jul 2026

800001 said:
By booking there own taxi (if able to afford the cost) and then claiming back from Northern

And if they can't afford extortionate taxi fares?

speedy1 · 11 Jul 2026

matthewjohnson said:
And if they can't afford extortionate taxi fares?

To be fair, the question asked was "How else do they expect people to get home?" and 800001's reply to the literal question seems to be an accurate representation of Northern's stance.

In any case, the person who asked that question stood their ground and got them to book a taxi (good on you @MichaelTrains !), which is the answer to your question.

MichaelTrains · 11 Jul 2026

speedy1 said:
To be fair, the question asked was "How else do they expect people to get home?" and 800001's reply to the literal question seems to be an accurate representation of Northern's stance.

In any case, the person who asked that question stood their ground and got them to book a taxi (good on you @MichaelTrains !), which is the answer to your question.

Just made it to Skipton. Over two hours later than planned. Is it ethical to claim delay repay as well?

Just my candid opinion but I felt the Northern staff at Forster Square were just expecting us to leave the station and fend for ourselves.

I overheard one of the staff say that with no more trains today, they hoped that they could finish early.

Hence the rush to try get us to leave the station.

800001 · 11 Jul 2026

matthewjohnson said:
And if they can't afford extortionate taxi fares?

Then you stand your ground with staff insisting you want a taxi paid for by them.

Or use the helpline and keep calling it until they book you a taxi and you have confirmation it is on route.

I've had this happen to me at Harrogate and I refused to leave the station until the supervisor booked me a taxi (I was sent there from Leeds trying to get to York after a severely late XC made me miss last York train).

I was polite, remained calm, but insisted I was not leaving until they booked me a taxi.
Team leader threatened to call police, to which I replied go ahead.
Finally they booked me a taxi, but I did not leave the station until the taxi had arrived.

Andyh82 · 11 Jul 2026

MichaelTrains said:
We have been told that coaches are coming.

How else do they expect people to get home?

They aren’t going to get short notice coaches when the England game was about to kick off, particularly late on a Saturday night

northernchris · 11 Jul 2026

Northern have the same issues every time there's a major incident, their default response is to issue a do not travel warning as if this absolves them of all responsibility.

Arranging for tickets to be accepted on local buses should be standard (and hopefully will happen once Weaver Network is up and running) as this will enable a significant chunk of passengers to be able to complete their journeys, freeing up staff to assist those where buses aren't viable.

It's evident no-one is holding Northern to account, and it's unacceptable to provide misleading information, although again, Northern have form for this.

Cell2025 · 12 Jul 2026

As on so many occasions, it seems, from absolute calm to chaos within minutes. I'll not detail what was happening at York towards Leeds, but all credit to the driver and replacement guard on 1B43 York to Blackpool North which terminated at Leeds. The driver kept everyone informed with as much humour as was possible given the potentially inflammatory situation with the normal York - Leeds drinkers alongside returning race goers.

The funny thing is that when claiming on delay repay it turns out that the train I was definitely on, and definitely ran, was cancelled at York. In fact it was very late and terminated at Leeds. So I put over an hour as the delay. It will be interesting to see what any other sources of train times give as the 'delay'on a service which didn't supposedly run!
But overall this type of thing has happened far too often when we're coming home from a day out. Halifax, Nottingham. York... it never seems to end. But keep up with those improvements that shut services down in the name of progress eh?

I'm very grouchy, as you can tell, as I was due to go to a friends's house and watch the match but by the time we got a taxi from Leeds it was too damned late.

Ianigsy · 12 Jul 2026

Combined with the fire alarm which took York control down for about an hour on Wednesday morning, this isn‘t a good look.

There‘s nothing worse than being lied to in a disruption situation.

M60lad · 12 Jul 2026

I know that yesterday was caused by a power failure in/near York ROC so why were some trains able to run and others were completely cancelled, for example I managed to get a rather late running 18:15 TPE Leeds-Manchester Victoria service which originated at Scarborough, am I right in thinking that only a limited number of routes were actually operational through the power failure?

Also how far does York ROC actually cover? I noticed some trains in Sheffield were delayed would this have been due to same problems as the ones in/around Leeds?

Harpers Tate · 12 Jul 2026

MichaelTrains said:
Js it ethical to claim delay repay as well?

I'd contend that it is ethical. The more such events cost the railway real money, perhaps the greater consideration might be given to properly investing so as to minimise or lose altogether the "single point of failure" that is frequently behind such events.

What is required in my opinion is the same sort of thinking applied to keeping things running properly as is applied to trying to achieve 100% safety.

LNW-GW Joint · 12 Jul 2026

M60lad said:
I know that yesterday was caused by a power failure in/near York ROC so why were some trains able to run and others were completely cancelled, for example I managed to get a rather late running 18:15 TPE Leeds-Manchester Victoria service which originated at Scarborough, am I right in thinking that only a limited number of routes were actually operational through the power failure?
Also how far does York ROC actually cover? I noticed some trains in Sheffield were delayed would this have been due to same problems as the ones in/around Leeds?

York ROC controls the entire TP route all the way through Leeds and Huddersfield to Diggle, west of Standedge Tunnel.

Sleepy · 12 Jul 2026

Harpers Tate said:
I'd contend that it is ethical. The more such events cost the railway real money, perhaps the greater consideration might be given to properly investing so as to minimise or lose altogether the "single point of failure" that is frequently behind such events.

What is required in my opinion is the same sort of thinking applied to keeping things running properly as is applied to trying to achieve 100% safety.

Hopefully the Stratford fire costs will concentrate some minds ?

30907 · 12 Jul 2026

MichaelTrains said:
That is incorrect. Nothing is running on the triangle.

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There are around 30 passengers at Forster Square.

We have been told that coaches are being put on for those of us wanting Ilkley and Skipton trains.

Apologies. I looked at the trains that had been held en route and jumped to the wrong conclusion.

YorkshireBear · 12 Jul 2026

I was coming up from Grantham, hadn't noticed any issues until I starting look at my connections to Woodlesford once we got to Doncaster.

Having seen Woodlesford had no trains from 17:40, I did not fancy trusting that the 23:18 would run and would require an hour wait at Leeds so bailed at Wakefield into a cab. I see that something did run about 23:25.

This is not the first time this has happened to Leeds, seems to be semi regular and needs seriously looking into.

skyhigh · 12 Jul 2026

YorkshireBear said:
This is not the first time this has happened to Leeds, seems to be semi regular and needs seriously looking into.

I only remember one previous occurrence, about 8 years ago when lightning hit York IECC. Has it happened more recently?

GraphitProjekt · 12 Jul 2026

M60lad said:
I know that yesterday was caused by a power failure in/near York ROC so why were some trains able to run and others were completely cancelled, for example I managed to get a rather late running 18:15 TPE Leeds-Manchester Victoria service which originated at Scarborough, am I right in thinking that only a limited number of routes were actually operational through the power failure?

Also how far does York ROC actually cover? I noticed some trains in Sheffield were delayed would this have been due to same problems as the ones in/around Leeds?

All routes through Leeds including Airdale/Wharfdale lines as far as Hellifield and the mainline to Doncaster. As others have said, also it has the transpennine route but this also includes Leeds-Bradford-Halifax as far west as Hebden Bridge. In a non-continguous manner, it also controls a large part of the Hull Line from Howden to Hessle.

Outside of the immediate Leeds area, the Harrogate and Hallam lines look they're still under local control.

Most interestingly, the whole ECML from Kings Cross to Northallerton is also York ROC and that didn't seem to be affected.

Cell2025 · 12 Jul 2026

M60lad said:
I know that yesterday was caused by a power failure in/near York ROC so why were some trains able to run and others were completely cancelled, for example I managed to get a rather late running 18:15 TPE Leeds-Manchester Victoria service which originated at Scarborough, am I right in thinking that only a limited number of routes were actually operational through the power failure?

Also how far does York ROC actually cover? I noticed some trains in Sheffield were delayed would this have been due to same problems as the ones in/around Leeds?

I wondered that. The train I was on referred to in my post above wasn't delayed because of anything other than the relevant guard not being in place due to the delays to inbound services.

Once we set off (York > Leeds >Blackpool) we went at a fair lick, so presumably the lack of much else on the line meant that the path was pretty clear. We did the journey at prescribed timings (between stations, not per timetable) as if nothing was wrong. Obviously the fact that it was terminated at Leeds tells a whole different story, further complicated by the fact that we were actually cancelled from York according to RTT!

LNW-GW Joint · 12 Jul 2026

GraphitProjekt said:
All routes through Leeds including Airdale/Wharfdale lines as far as Hellifield and the mainline to Doncaster. As others have said, also it has the transpennine route but this also includes Leeds-Bradford-Halifax as far west as Hebden Bridge. In a non-continguous manner, it also controls a large part of the Hull Line from Howden to Hessle.
Outside of the immediate Leeds area, the Harrogate and Hallam lines look they're still under local control.
Most interestingly, the whole ECML from Kings Cross to Northallerton is also York ROC and that didn't seem to be affected.

About 67 miles of the ECML between Stoke Tunnel and north of Shaftholme Jn is still controlled by Doncaster SB.
No doubt this will transfer to York ROC in due course.

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