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Sunday rail travel in Germany

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My wife and I will be travelling from Manchester to Berlin in September, a journey we have done several times before so we have a reasonable understanding of what is involved. We usually take two days over it, breaking our journey in Brussels. We will be using Interrail passes so plenty of flexibility.

Something we have not done before is travel over a weekend so Manchester to Brussels on Saturday 12 September, Brussels to Berlin on Sunday 13 September. I have checked Eurostar London -> Brussels for that Saturday and there is plenty of availability.

I have been advised to avoid rail travel in Germany on Sunday because, as in the UK, the timetables are thinned out somewhat and can be disrupted by engineering work.

Is this advice sound?
 
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I’d just run a few enquiries on Bahn.int. September being just two months away means the chance of late timetable changes should hopefully be low.
 

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I have been advised to avoid rail travel in Germany on Sunday because, as in the UK, the timetables are thinned out somewhat and can be disrupted by engineering work.

Is this advice sound?
To recycle a cliche, it depends. DB tend to keep their own planner up to date, so if you do a search (and I beseech you to use their rather than 3rd party applications/websites), it should tell you what's running and what isn't
 

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I have been advised to avoid rail travel in Germany on Sunday because, as in the UK, the timetables are thinned out somewhat and can be disrupted by engineering work.

It wouldn't occur to me not to get a train in Germany just because it was a Sunday, and this attitude hasn't got me into trouble (yet).
 

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It wouldn't occur to me not to get a train in Germany just because it was a Sunday, and this attitude hasn't got me into trouble (yet).
Indeed - service frequencies may well be different but other than that you can forget the ingrained feeling about Sunday travel learnt in the UK. Finding an open shop outside the railway station - now there’s a different story!
 

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Finding an open shop outside the railway station - now there’s a different story!

Absolutely!

And as for the ones inside stations.....the Edeka in Munich Hauptbahnhof on a Sunday is not for the faint hearted.
 

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Absolutely!

And as for the ones inside stations.....the Edeka in Munich Hauptbahnhof on a Sunday is not for the faint hearted.
Still better than when first lived in Germany in the 80s. If you hadn’t got the food in by Saturday lunchtime then you tightened the belt till Monday. One Saturday a month the shops stayed open for a really long time - till 2pm.
 

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My wife and I will be travelling from Manchester to Berlin in September, a journey we have done several times before so we have a reasonable understanding of what is involved. We usually take two days over it, breaking our journey in Brussels. We will be using Interrail passes so plenty of flexibility.

Something we have not done before is travel over a weekend so Manchester to Brussels on Saturday 12 September, Brussels to Berlin on Sunday 13 September. I have checked Eurostar London -> Brussels for that Saturday and there is plenty of availability.

I have been advised to avoid rail travel in Germany on Sunday because, as in the UK, the timetables are thinned out somewhat and can be disrupted by engineering work.

Is this advice sound?
Engineering can happen but the general timetable is pretty decend on sundays. Most trains run hourly.
 

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In my experience, engineering work in Germany is usually done in one long blockade regardless of the days of the week, rather than done over multiple weekends. There’s also not a huge amount of difference in the weekday vs weekend timetables, on the railway at least - buses, trams etc are a different story, with a reduced frequency on Saturdays, Sundays and public holidays being the norm.
 

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Still better than when first lived in Germany in the 80s. If you hadn’t got the food in by Saturday lunchtime then you tightened the belt till Monday. One Saturday a month the shops stayed open for a really long time - till 2pm.
The hideously inaccurately named "Langer Samstag"

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In my experience, engineering work in Germany is usually done in one long blockade regardless of the days of the week, rather than done over multiple weekends. There’s also not a huge amount of difference in the weekday vs weekend timetables, on the railway at least - buses, trams etc are a different story, with a reduced frequency on Saturdays, Sundays and public holidays being the norm.
The letters "SEV" on a timetable (Schienenersatzverkehr) strike fear in to the hearts of all Germans (essentially "bus replacement service")
 

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the comments about shop opening hours here remind me of pub times in englandshire including silly hours
innocents abroad
 

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It's not really similar to the UK. A much later start and a gulf between Saturday and Sunday frequency is generally not the case, for example. Conversely, as noted above, shops and other customer-facing businesses being open in town centres is much rarer than in the UK, where they would be likely to be open, though likely on shorter hours. That doesn't mean that all lines run to the same timetable seven days a week though, and weekends / holidays vs working days can still be different.

In airports and railway stations it's usually permissible for shops to be open, so some will choose to open, even if they're actually in a normal shopping mall that's just physically attached to the station.

Reliability is a risk seven days a week. Track works are also happening in many places throughout the country, and a whole lot of them are coming up soon.
 

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The biggest clue is by looking at how timetables are arranged in the DB electronic "Kursbuch". In general, there is typically one timetable for the whole week with trains not running on Sunday marked accordingly. This is especially the case for longer distance routes. This means the trains that run on Sunday run at the same time 7 days a week, so you don't get extended journey times like you typically get in GB. GB timetables usually have separate timetables for Monday to Friday, Saturday and Sunday.
 

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Indeed. Which is unusual in Europe but I think not unique.
NS trains in the Netherlands even have timetables for Monday to Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday; though the difference is usually just that certain trains don't run on certain days.
Journey times might be slightly extended (but not by a lot) as there are stations which are only served by a service not running at all days of the week.
(And there is even one which is served by three different services depending on the time of day, being a pain for the local bus operator which tries to offer connections)
 

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I have been advised to avoid rail travel in Germany on Sunday because, as in the UK, the timetables are thinned out somewhat and can be disrupted by engineering work.

Is this advice sound?
Not really. Most regional services will run at the same frequency, only some very lightly used lines or with extremely heavy commuter traffic will step down to half frequency. Peak time extras logically don't run.

Usually some early regional trains do not run, but by comparison to UK sunday timetables the consequences of this are almost laughably tame. For example on a rural branch line near me, served by hourly single carriage diesel trains, strengthened in the peaks to 2 coaches, the 0353 and 0500 departures from the regional node do not run on Sundays and passengers must suffer the indiginity of waiting until 0600.

Historically some early long distance(ICE) services would not run on Sundays but in the most recent timetable change almost all of that is eliminated and at least on trunk routes the timetable is no different from weekdays.

Also of note is that daily overnight and sleeper trains do run 7 days a week.
 

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You need a lot of time!

I was extremely impressed with their crowd management and how quickly they got people through the checkouts - but then German supermarket checkout operators are generally quite an impressive experience.

NS trains in the Netherlands even have timetables for Monday to Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday; though the difference is usually just that certain trains don't run on certain days.
Journey times might be slightly extended (but not by a lot) as there are stations which are only served by a service not running at all days of the week.
(And there is even one which is served by three different services depending on the time of day, being a pain for the local bus operator which tries to offer connections)

But as you say they aren't all that different.

The UK is unusual in that on many routes Sunday timetables are completely different to weekdays and Saturdays and are generally shown entirely separately in printed timetables rather than as footnotes.

It came as a surprise to me when I started to travel in other European countries by rail to find such a lack of variation on Sundays.
 

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I was extremely impressed with their crowd management and how quickly they got people through the checkouts - but then German supermarket checkout operators are generally quite an impressive experience.

I don’t know how it was in Germany, but Aldi‘s Austrian operation - Hofer - for a long time refused to use scanners at the checkout because they reckoned their extremely efficient operators were faster at typing in prices (which they knew by heart) than if they had to scan each item (it helped that Hofer did - and AFAIK still does - pay them quite a lot better than other supermarket chains).
 

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I don’t know how it was in Germany, but Aldi‘s Austrian operation - Hofer - for a long time refused to use scanners at the checkout because they reckoned their extremely efficient operators were faster at typing in prices (which they knew by heart) than if they had to scan each item (it helped that Hofer did - and AFAIK still does - pay them quite a lot better than other supermarket chains).
Remember hearing the same argument from ALDI in Germany. Expansion of the range put paid to that (the cashiers having to leaf through the flyer that went to all local households to find the price of some “Wednesday special” item slowed things down a bit (especially if it turned out to be something left over from the previous week).
 

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But as you say they aren't all that different.

The UK is unusual in that on many routes Sunday timetables are completely different to weekdays and Saturdays and are generally shown entirely separately in printed timetables rather than as footnotes.

It came as a surprise to me when I started to travel in other European countries by rail to find such a lack of variation on Sundays.
In the Netherlands the printed departure boards have an indication which weekday the train runs, for lines with different service patterns during the weekend they simply have two listings for the train with the different departure time, destination and/or stopping pattern: https://assets.travelsupport-p.cla.ns.nl/stations/vertrekstaten/KLP-1.pdf

And yes, this can make the printed timetables confusingly long like here where there can be up to 21 departures listed per hour, but depending on the day of the week only between 8 and 14 of them are valid: https://assets.travelsupport-p.cla.ns.nl/stations/vertrekstaten/DT-1.pdf For example, the 12:06 service to Vlissingen only runs to Roosendaal in the weekend, and the 12:20 service to Dordrecht departures 5 minutes later on Friday and Saturday and does not run on Sundays.
 

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And yes, this can make the printed timetables confusingly long like here where there can be up to 21 departures listed per hour, but depending on the day of the week only between 8 and 14 of them are valid:
Not as bad as Trenitalia where slight variations to the running on different days at different times of year mean that what is basically the same train can appear up to 15 times
 
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Most of Europe is a 7-day railway with lower frequencies to/from commuter cities. GB and NL specialise in 'weekend engineering work' but, as others have noted, DB doesn't. Generally, there are blockades or (exceptionally) use of single line working as almost all the set up is BiDi.

As per whenever you went to Germany last, DB trains are often late, so I would allow around a 2 hour margin on top of whatever you are quoted for the journey from Brussel to Berlin. So, best to get one of the earlier ICEs from Brussels (eg. 0825 or 1025). Currently, these are sometimes being diverted to allow some rebuilding of the Aachen - Cologne line, this adds one hour to journey times but should already be allowed for in any times you get from bahn.de.
 

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All I can add is that, in my experience, trains in Germany can get very busy towards the back end of Sunday as people return from their weekend away, particularly if you are travelling to a university town/city. so you may want to consider whether you need to make reservations. I'd echo the advice above on catching one of the earlier ICEs from Brussels.
 

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Absolutely!

And as for the ones inside stations.....the Edeka in Munich Hauptbahnhof on a Sunday is not for the faint hearted.
Supermarkets at Airports are open too! People would go out to Munich airport on Sunday.
 

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Supermarkets at Airports are open too! People would go out to Munich airport on Sunday.
Worth pointing out that some places are more keen on enforcing the bona fide travellers rules than others. Now the D-Ticket is well-established, there seems little point…
 

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