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Heat related disruption 8 July 2026 onwards

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Royston Vasey

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TfW have cancelled all trains to Aberystwyth tomorrow, a bit of an overreaction?

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I used a double 158 on Wednesday from Birmingham International, fortunately only to Birmingham New Street, and i was honestly shocked it was still in service. I boarded an incredibly hot car 2 (which I had headed for because I saw the windows closed and thought the AC must be working). I tried coach 1 and coach 3 and they were even worse; walking in was a wall of heat. Almost certainly over 40C.

In the 10 minute journey I was soaked with sweat.

Then at New Street a crush load of people then got on. Pity them going to Shrewsbury and Macynlleth.
 
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As much as I’d favour a 225 over a Hitachi effort every day of the week, being sealed inside one with no ventilation on a day such as today would likely make even me give that choice some extra thought!
Yeah, one good thing about the Azumas is their aircon. The ones I've been on over the last couple of weeks have all been fine. 801111, which I was on a couple of days ago, was positively icy!
 

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EMR and other services around Derby have essentially collapsed this evening

Been a tree on the line between Derby and chesterfield apparently too
 

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EMR and other services around Derby have essentially collapsed this evening

Been a tree on the line between Derby and chesterfield apparently too
No need for hyperbole, trains between Derby and Sheffield didn't collapse, there were just a few delays.

I caught the 1730 from Derby to Sheffield which was delayed around 40 minutes but still made it to Sheffield, as did most of the following XC and EMR services.
 

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Is there nothing to hold EMR to account here? All other train operators are running normally but EMR have just blanket cancelled all trains west of Sheffield all weekend and the robin hood line nothing has been running

I understood the restrictions during the last heatwave and thought LNER for example did a brilliant job of cancelling half the Leeds services to keep everything running but the temperatures are lower now, and EMR just seem to have gone mad with using it to just stop everything while others carry on

I've been observing EMR with some interest for the last few days.
Their performance in my local area, Leicester and Leicestershire, has been pretty woeful, whereas XC have been running pretty much a full service (or certainly trying to, cancellations haven't been excessive); this appears to be a sort of role reversal from the norm, XC are usually the first TOC to surrender and put out a white flag.
 

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I've been observing EMR with some interest for the last few days.
Their performance in my local area, Leicester and Leicestershire, has been pretty woeful, whereas XC have been running pretty much a full service (or certainly trying to, cancellations haven't been excessive); this appears to be a sort of role reversal from the norm, XC are usually the first TOC to surrender and put out a white flag.

Yep, and yet XC still take the flack while EMR's shambolic services doesn't get the criticism it deserves.

Will be interesting to see which TOC is voted as the worst next time there is a survey.
 

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I'm guessing they're keeping units running on one pantograph on stopping services, or at least the shorter services that are running.

Nope, the half power units are on all types of service. Having said that, half power on AC is still more than 3,300hp. The drivers are nust having to be a bit careful with braking, as obviously they only have half the electric braking (but full friction brakes), so the train behaves a bit differently.
 

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Electric busses have aircon, it is a requirement due to the heat generated by the batteries.
I don’t think that’s what it is

On ICE vehicles, the waste heat from the dinosaur cremations easily heats the cabin

On EVs this is not an option, and resistive heating would clearly be lunacy from a storage & wiring perspective.

So you need a heat pump to heat in winter, and it costs precisely thruppence more to make it reversible as aircon
 

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Stratford station is on fire. On NR tracks apparently
Unfortunately this issue has also affected c2c with the loss of signalling system power between Limehouse & Barking with all the last services cancelled, so no trains can run to Liverpool Street or Fenchurch Street until further notice.
 

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Nope, the half power units are on all types of service. Having said that, half power on AC is still more than 3,300hp. The drivers are nust having to be a bit careful with braking, as obviously they only have half the electric braking (but full friction brakes), so the train behaves a bit differently.
That's good resilience that shows how much modern stock has advanced. No complaints about 'ironing board seats', bright lighting or lack of seat-back tables then!
Out of interest, I know that the '700s can climb the 1:27 gradients in the core, but how fast does half power get them on the main line?
 

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I don’t think that’s what it is

On ICE vehicles, the waste heat from the dinosaur cremations easily heats the cabin

On EVs this is not an option, and resistive heating would clearly be lunacy from a storage & wiring perspective.

So you need a heat pump to heat in winter, and it costs precisely thruppence more to make it reversible as aircon
Dinosaur cremations?
 

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What are you combusting to make an internal combustion engine work? (Hydrocarbons, ie fossil fuel, ie dinosaurs...)

Quite the tangent, I agree...!
Technically fossil fuel is not made up of dinosaurs, the coal and oil beds of the world were laid down during the Carboniferous period, over a hundred million years before the rise of the Dinosaurs
 

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Transport for Wales has cancelled all trains between Ebbw Vale and Newport today, citing "a shortage of trains as a result of extreme heat".

It's currently 29 degrees in the area, which is hot but hardly extreme. Does anyone know which units are susceptible to temperatures like this? The new ones? Or are they having to cascade new trains to replace 150s that have failed elsewhere?
 

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It's currently 29 degrees in the area, which is hot but hardly extreme
Important to remember that is the air temperature in the shade (the standard in the UK). Infrastructure and equipment may reach temperatures quite a bit higher than that.
 

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Important to remember that is the air temperature in the shade (the standard in the UK). Infrastructure and equipment may reach temperatures quite a bit higher than that.
But 29 degrees air temperature is not exactly uncommon, and it's not really acceptable if TfW is going to cancel services every time it reaches that temperature.
 

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But 29 degrees air temperature is not exactly uncommon, and it's not really acceptable if TfW is going to cancel services every time it reaches that temperature.
Which makes it potentially 40 degrees plus in cabs of older trains which maybe don't have air con in drivers cab?

It's older trains that operate the Ebbw Vale services isn't it? Maybe too hot and uncomfortable to drive.
 

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But 29 degrees air temperature is not exactly uncommon, and it's not really acceptable if TfW is going to cancel services every time it reaches that temperature.

Luckily we can explore the data for somewhere like Newport. In the last 10 years it has averaged around 3.6 days per year where the temperature is 29°C or above, but 9 of those days happened in just one year!

Granted it is getting warmer and we are seeing it more but not exactly uncommon? Absolutely it is.
 

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EMR still blanket cancelled Liverpool - Sheffield which is pathetic. The maximium temperature forecast at Edale ( near the top of a long slog from either direction) today is 27C.
 

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Not sure whether heat-related or not, but a signalling failure resulted in my Newcastle-Middlesbrough service yesterday being diverted via the ECML, and going at non-stop higher speeds down that was a positive bonus.
 

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Not sure whether heat-related or not, but a signalling failure resulted in my Newcastle-Middlesbrough service yesterday being diverted via the ECML, and going at non-stop higher speeds down that was a positive bonus.
…as well as missing Sunderland and Hartlepool.
 

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…as well as missing Sunderland and Hartlepool.
They did, but credit to the conductor. She went down the platform at Newcastle to everyone waiting for the train and advised each person who needed alternative arrangements.
 

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They did, but credit to the conductor. She went down the platform at Newcastle to everyone waiting for the train and advised each person who needed alternative arrangements.
Good to hear. Thanks.
 

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Quite a few TFW services cancelled today including services on Conwy Valley, Ebbw Vale to Newport, Wrexham to Chester and some Heart of Wales to name a few.

Some of this is due to 'more trains than usual needing repairs' but also due to the heat.

Also read something about a speed restriction on the aberdare line due to hot track..
Yes, every other train to Aberdare was being terminated at Fernhill. As usual the communication of this fact was poor, confusing, misleading etc etc.

I got on a train at Danescourt which was showing Aberdare as the destination and the app was still showing it as going all the way to Aberdare. I did notice that the train an hour later was being advertised as Fernhill so I knew something might be up. When I got on the train I noticed the on-train display was showing Fernhill but I've seen those wrong before so hoped for the best. The app and all the station displays were still showing Aberdare even as we left Mountain Ash. Then, the dreaded announcement as we approached Fernhill. "As previously announced [before Danescourt???] this train will terminate at Fernhill, where there is a replacement bus waiting". We all wander over to the bus stop. Nothing. 25 minutes later we all wander back to Fernhill station hoping that the next train will continue all the way, which it did.

I noticed later that although my train had still been showing in the app as running all the way to Aberdare, RTT had it terminating at Fernhill, with no intention of ever going to Aberdare, and was only showing an hourly service to Aberdare for the rest of the evening. When I later checked the app it was also showing half of the later services as cancelled, so it must have caught up in the end. I think that probably rules out Delay Repay.

I don't really understand how the station displays, on-board displays and the app can give conflicting information. You'd think the information would be coming from the same source. Obviously not.
 

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Nice to see a lady in EMR colours waiting at the end of platform 1 at Kettering handing out bottles of water to drivers of Connect services.
 

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EMR still blanket cancelled Liverpool - Sheffield which is pathetic. The maximium temperature forecast at Edale ( near the top of a long slog from either direction) today is 27C.
I think if EMR were a bit more consistent, passengers may be more inclined to accept the explanations of why trains are being cancelled.

I can understand the problems of running the full timetable on the Robin Hood Line to Mansfield and Worksop during the hot weather. The 170s may well have problems in the heat on the gradient and the cabs of the 158s almost certainly are unbearably hot.

However, why has there been a blanket cancellation of services after 12 noon each day all week when it is only an hourly service, yet today EMR have managed to run the Saturday 2tph service all day with only a few small delays.

It will be interesting to see what happens on Monday!
 
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I think if EMR were a bit more consistent passengers may be more inclined to accept the explanations of why trains are being cancelled. I can understand the problems of running the full timetable on the Robin Hood Line to Mansfield and Worksop during the hot weather. The 170’s may well have problems in the heat on the gradient and the cabs of the 158’s almost certainly are unbearably hot. However, why has there been a blanket cancellation of services after 12 noon each day all week when it is only an hourly service, yet today EMR have managed to run the Saturday 2tph service all day with only a few small delays. It will be interesting to see what happens on Monday!
Monday, no service beyond Sheffield to Liverpool, no Leicester or Worksop service after 1200. A repeat of Friday.
 
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