SWR Class 458/4s: fleet status and withdrawal updates

adc82140 said:

Still two 458/5s to move off to Long Marston as well. That'll free up space for 2x 701/5s

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How come they have not gone yet? Would have thought they'd be obvious candidates for remote storage, given pressures on depot space and the need for five car suitable berths.

adc82140 said:

Still two 458/5s to move off to Long Marston as well. That'll free up space for 2x 701/5s

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Yes, must not forget the two 458/5s. I assume they have to be got ready to be handed back - as in any repairs or exams needed. Porterbrook are not taking them back for scrap. A nice distraction should the staff run out of work to do on fleets that are actually being used !.

Big Jumby 74 said:

If anyone genuinely thinks along those lines, they will be crucified by the Operations/Fleet and Planning departments. Bournemouth West CS (as was/still is) is the ONLY location that has a small degree of spare stabling space, which will often be used for various schemes, unit modifications, repaints, exam turnovers, etc.

In that regard it is currently being used for 458/4 storage on a temporary basis, but once they are gone, there will be a need for that space for other initiatives the SW has in the pipeline going forward.

If anyone thinks any given maintenance stabling point/depot can be filled with stock to its maximum physical capacity each night, and then expect the train service provision to start as planned the following day without problem , they are living in fantasy land, end of!

As I alluded to above about Farnham, certain sidings have to be kept clear each night to allow units to gain access to the CET point every night.

So anyone who thinks such locations should be stabled up to their maximum each night, I will say, be prepared for the WC's on trains the next day to be locked out of use on a daily basis, unit failure rates to increase, etc.

I can (but won't on here) quote the number of cars that a lesser experienced project Manager quoted me as being 'do-able' in relation to Wimbledon depot (both parts) many years in the past. Taking every siding in to account, they were correct, if one is talking about purely stabling and nothing ever moves.

Coming from an operational background, I nearly had a brown trouser moment. Suitable advice was given, about the need to reform trains, move certain designated units from this or that siding to the maintenance shed (and visa versa) every night, let alone Fleet Control having to reform units/trains (on depot) in relation to mileage based issues.

Bottom line at somewhere like Wimbledon, the depot will need (in addition to simple overnight stabling for trains in their ready to move make up each morning), will need something like 10-15% of the overall siding space left vacant each night to allow for operational flexibility.

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Well put.

I was looking on RTT for a delivery to Wimbledon Park and there are several dozen movements on/off the depot. Anyone who understands the operations even a little bit will understand the need for space for manoeuvres.

43096 said:

As they are still on lease, if SWR want to store them elsewhere they will be picking up the bill, not Porterbrook, hence why they are being stored at SWR sites.

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I can only imagine regular movements for the 458/4s on and off SWR to somewhere convenient like Marchwood. But only for the minimum that cannot be stored on SWR (which looks like about fifteen). Porterbrook will not be in a hurry to take the 458/4s back and have to pay to store them. That is until the lease expires or until Porterbrook find another TOC that can use the 458/4s (even 458/5s).

SWR will, I assume, prefer to pay for storage and not have to maintain and operate what would be their smallest fleet. Shades of micro fleet even if not that small. Operations, maintenance and spares will be so much simpler with just Desiros and 701s in the EMU fleet.

WimFit said:

Indeed, it’s a warranty paint repair. It’s planned to move from Eastleigh to Bournemouth on 14th July.

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Presumably this is the path for the transfer of 458401 to Bournemouth on Tuesday.

5Q95 1334 Eastleigh Arlington (Zg) to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D

Siemens Staines said:

Presumably this is the path for the transfer of 458401 to Bournemouth on Tuesday.

5Q95 1334 Eastleigh Arlington (Zg) to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:Q17082/2026-07-14/detailed

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It is indeed.

WWTownEnth said:

How come they have not gone yet? Would have thought they'd be obvious candidates for remote storage, given pressures on depot space and the need for five car suitable berths.

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The handback process has previously taken three to four months. It usually involves third party inspections which would force moving units around if remote sidings. Bournemouth likely has facilities but isn't well setup for loco drags out to Long Marston. I'd expect them to go before the final 701/5s arrive at any rate.

Peter Sarf said:

I can only imagine regular movements for the 458/4s on and off SWR to somewhere convenient like Marchwood. But only for the minimum that cannot be stored on SWR (which looks like about fifteen). Porterbrook will not be in a hurry to take the 458/4s back and have to pay to store them. That is until the lease expires or until Porterbrook find another TOC that can use the 458/4s (even 458/5s).

SWR will, I assume, prefer to pay for storage and not have to maintain and operate what would be their smallest fleet. Shades of micro fleet even if not that small. Operations, maintenance and spares will be so much simpler with just Desiros and 701s in the EMU fleet.

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Remote storage costs money and even if operationally inconvenient there will be an ask to store on site if possible. The industry is tasked with reducing net subsidy.

There are voluntary termination clauses in the class 159 contract and no reason to think the 458/4 contract would be any different. These don't save money (unless Porterbrook manages to lease the units elsewhere) but would make storing the units Porterbrook's problem once successfully redelivered. That voluntary termination is all or nothing.

There are some paths to Farnham and Strawberry Hill over two weeks for an unspecified unit type. Combined with some short sidings at Wimbledon it feels unlikely third party storage locations are essential. This would be particularly true if the first 458/4 units were being redelivered this year not next as reduces window of lower operational flexibility.

Two pairs of 458/4 out on Windsors again today covering for 701s

458426 + 458427
05:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 06:49
07:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 07:56
08:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 09:23
09:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 10:26
10:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 11:49
12:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 12:56
13:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 14:20
14:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 15:26
15:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 16:49
17:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 17:58
18:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 19:19
19:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 20:26
20:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 21:49
22:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 22:56
23:05 Windsor & Eton Riverside to Staines due 23:19
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:09/07/2026 03:28

458404 + 458423
06:09 Staines to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 06:26
06:56 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 07:54
08:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 08:56
09:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 10:19
10:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 11:26
11:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 12:49
13:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 13:56
14:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 15:19
15:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 16:26
16:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 17:49
18:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 18:58
19:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 20:20
20:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 21:26
21:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 22:49
23:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 23:56
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:09/07/2026 03:25

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This will probably disappear in to the void of auto-merge but two pairs of 458/4 are out again vice 701 today (Friday)

458426 + 458427
05:31 Hounslow to London Waterloo due 06:08
06:22 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 07:38
08:02 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 09:28
09:52 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 11:08
11:33 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 13:09
13:18 London Waterloo to Reading due 14:43
15:09 Reading to London Waterloo due 16:35
16:48 London Waterloo to Reading due 18:14
18:39 Reading to London Waterloo due 20:07
20:18 London Waterloo to Reading due 21:41
22:09 Reading to London Waterloo due 23:35
23:52 London Waterloo to Hounslow due 00:30
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:10/07/2026 04:10

458404 + 458423
05:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 06:49
07:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 07:56
08:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 09:23
09:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 10:26
10:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 11:49
12:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 12:56
13:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 14:20
14:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 15:26
15:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 16:49
17:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 17:58
18:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 19:19
19:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 20:26
20:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 21:49
22:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 22:56
23:05 Windsor & Eton Riverside to Staines due 23:19
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:10/07/2026 04:11

In addition to the two pairs listed by Siemens Staines above, 458424 + 458428 are currently out working the diagram starting with 5C09 05:42 Wimbledon Park - Waterloo, and ending with 5Y30 Waterloo - Clapham Yard. Two pairs of Readings, a Weybridge and two Hounslow Rounders.

dodger said:

458416 is currently travelling from Bournemouth TMD to Wimbledon Park Sidings for ….. ?

dodger

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To make room at Bournemouth for 8401.

WimFit said:

To make room at Bournemouth for 8401.

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Thank you.

Dodger

I am guessing this STP path on Friday is for 458/4 going in to store at Strawberry Hill, although it could possibly be 701 related?

5Q95 1215 Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs to Strawberry Hill C.S.D.

Siemens Staines said:

I am guessing this STP path on Friday is for 458/4 going in to store at Strawberry Hill, although it could possibly be 701 related?

5Q95 1215 Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs to Strawberry Hill C.S.D.

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:Q17081/2026-07-17/detailed

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How about a 458/5 ?.
TBH I am not sure either of the last two 458/5s are still at Wimbledon, but it is about time one more of them went in to store at LongMarston ?.

Perhaps a 458/5 for preservation - no surely not !.

There is another 701/5 delivery from Bicester on Tuesday 14/07/2026 so space will be getting tight especially as the locomotive(s) return light engine to Bicester, maybe to collect another 701/5.

In theory a new 701 diagram today has reduced the number of 458 diagrams to two booked pairs. In practice the number of 458/4 pairs has increased from the two vice 701 diagrams last week, to three today so that there are still five pairs out. This has echoes of the 455s when they had up to three vice 701 diagrams for quite some time after they lost their booked work.

458404 + 458423
05:26 Staines to Reading due 06:14
06:39 Reading to London Waterloo due 08:07
08:18 London Waterloo to Reading due 09:43
10:09 Reading to London Waterloo due 11:35
11:52 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 13:08
13:33 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 14:58
15:18 London Waterloo to Reading due 16:42
17:09 Reading to London Waterloo due 18:37
18:48 London Waterloo to Reading due 20:14
20:39 Reading to London Waterloo due 22:05
22:22 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 23:38
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.

458426 + 458427
06:09 Reading to London Waterloo due 07:38 has been reinstated. It was started from Staines
07:52 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 09:08
09:33 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 10:58
11:18 London Waterloo to Reading due 12:43
13:09 Reading to London Waterloo due 14:35
14:52 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 16:08
16:33 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 17:55
18:07 London Waterloo to Twickenham due 18:58
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10. Accessible toilet facilities are reduced.

458409 + 458413
06:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 07:22
07:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 08:26
08:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 09:53
10:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 10:56
11:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 12:20
12:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 13:26
13:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 14:49
15:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 15:56
16:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 17:19
17:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 18:28
18:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 19:49
20:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 20:56
21:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 22:19
22:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 23:26
23:37 Windsor & Eton Riverside to Staines due 23:51
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.

plus the two pairs still booked 458/4

458402 + 458415
2C09 0618 London Waterloo to Reading
2C20 0809 Reading to London Waterloo
2C23 0948 London Waterloo to Reading
2C34 1139 Reading to London Waterloo
2S37 1322 London Waterloo to Weybridge
2S46 1503 Weybridge to London Waterloo
2V47 1637 London Waterloo to London Waterloo
2R53 1815 London Waterloo to London Waterloo

458424 + 458428
2Y03 0506 Clapham Junction to Weybridge
1S12 0632 Weybridge to London Waterloo
2V13 0807 London Waterloo to London Waterloo

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It is now Wednesday morning (not Monday as this post will probably show on RUK) and three pairs of 458/4 vice 701 again today including unusual work for 458/4 to Shepperton(via Richmond).

458409 + 458413
05:31 Hounslow to London Waterloo due 06:08
06:22 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 07:38
08:02 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 09:28
09:52 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 11:08
11:33 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 12:58
13:18 London Waterloo to Reading due 14:43
15:09 Reading to London Waterloo due 16:35
16:48 London Waterloo to Reading due 18:14
18:39 Reading to London Waterloo due 20:07
20:18 London Waterloo to Reading due 21:41
22:09 Reading to London Waterloo due 23:35
23:52 London Waterloo to Hounslow due 00:30
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:15/07/2026 04:19

458426 + 458427
05:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 06:49
07:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 07:56
08:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 09:23
09:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 10:26
10:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 11:49
12:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 12:56
13:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 14:20
14:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 15:26
15:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 16:49
17:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 17:58
18:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 19:19
19:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 20:26
20:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 21:49
22:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 22:56
23:05 Windsor & Eton Riverside to Staines due 23:19
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:15/07/2026 04:25

458402 + 458415
05:57 London Waterloo to Shepperton due 06:52
07:00 Shepperton to London Waterloo due 08:03
08:13 London Waterloo to Strawberry Hill due 08:42
18:01 Strawberry Hill to London Waterloo due 18:32
18:45 London Waterloo to Hounslow due 19:26
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:15/07/2026 04:20

plus their two booked diagrams
458423 + 458408
2Y03 0506 Clapham Junction to Weybridge
1S12 0632 Weybridge to London Waterloo
2V13 0807 London Waterloo to London Waterloo

458414 + 458412
2C09 0618 London Waterloo to Reading
2C20 0809 Reading to London Waterloo
2C23 0948 London Waterloo to Reading
2C34 1139 Reading to London Waterloo
2S37 1322 London Waterloo to Weybridge
2S46 1503 Weybridge to London Waterloo
2V47 1637 London Waterloo to London Waterloo
2R53 1815 London Waterloo to London Waterloo

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Three pairs of 458/4 vice 701 today (Thursday not Monday or Wednesday)

458426 + 458427
06:39 Reading to London Waterloo due 08:07
08:18 London Waterloo to Reading due 09:43
10:09 Reading to London Waterloo due 11:35
11:52 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 13:08
13:33 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 14:58
15:18 London Waterloo to Reading due 16:42
17:09 Reading to London Waterloo due 18:37
18:48 London Waterloo to Reading due 20:14
20:39 Reading to London Waterloo due 22:05
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:16/07/2026 06:15

458409 + 458413
05:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 06:49
07:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 07:56
08:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 09:23
09:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 10:26
10:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 11:49
12:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 12:56
13:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 14:20
14:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 15:26
15:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 16:49
17:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 17:58
18:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 19:19
19:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 20:26
20:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 21:49
22:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 22:56
23:05 Windsor & Eton Riverside to Staines due 23:19
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:16/07/2026 06:16

458402 + 458415
06:22 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 07:38
08:02 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 09:28
09:52 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 11:08
11:33 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 12:58
13:18 London Waterloo to Reading due 14:43
15:09 Reading to London Waterloo due 16:35
16:48 London Waterloo to Reading due 18:14
18:39 Reading to London Waterloo due 20:07
20:18 London Waterloo to Reading due 21:41
22:09 Reading to London Waterloo due 23:35
23:52 London Waterloo to Hounslow due 00:30
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:16/07/2026 06:15

and the two booked 2*458/4 diagrams

458414 + 458412
2Y03 0506 Clapham Junction to Weybridge
1S12 0632 Weybridge to London Waterloo
2V13 0807 London Waterloo to London Waterloo

458421 + 458424
2C09 0618 London Waterloo to Reading
2C20 0809 Reading to London Waterloo
2C23 0948 London Waterloo to Reading
2C34 1139 Reading to London Waterloo
2S37 1322 London Waterloo to Weybridge
2S46 1503 Weybridge to London Waterloo
2V47 1637 London Waterloo to London Waterloo
2R53 1815 London Waterloo to London Waterloo

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Friday morning update (not Monday) with three pairs of 458 vice 701

458409 + 458413
05:31 Hounslow to London Waterloo due 06:08
06:22 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 07:38
08:02 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 09:28
09:52 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 11:08
11:33 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 13:09
13:18 London Waterloo to Reading due 14:43
15:09 Reading to London Waterloo due 16:35
16:48 London Waterloo to Reading due 18:14
18:39 Reading to London Waterloo due 20:07
20:18 London Waterloo to Reading due 21:41
22:09 Reading to London Waterloo due 23:35
23:52 London Waterloo to Hounslow due 00:30
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:17/07/2026 05:38

458402 + 458415
05:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 06:49
07:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 07:56
08:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 09:23
09:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 10:26
10:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 11:49
12:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 12:56
13:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 14:20
14:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 15:26
15:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 16:49
17:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 17:58
18:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 19:19
19:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 20:26
20:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 21:49
22:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 22:56
23:05 Windsor & Eton Riverside to Staines due 23:19
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10. Accessible toilet facilities are reduced.
Last Updated:17/07/2026 05:42

458426 + 458427
06:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 07:29
07:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 08:52
09:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 09:56
10:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 11:19
11:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 12:26
12:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 13:49
14:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 14:58
15:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 16:19
16:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 17:28
17:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 18:49
19:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 19:56
20:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 21:19
21:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 22:26
22:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 23:49
00:22 London Waterloo to Hounslow due 00:59
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:17/07/2026 05:14

plus the two booked diagrams

458421 + 458424
2Y03 0506 Clapham Junction to Weybridge
1S12 0632 Weybridge to London Waterloo
2V13 0807 London Waterloo to London Waterloo

458412 + 458423
2C09 0618 London Waterloo to Reading
2C20 0809 Reading to London Waterloo
2C23 0948 London Waterloo to Reading
2C34 1139 Reading to London Waterloo
2S37 1322 London Waterloo to Weybridge
2S46 1503 Weybridge to London Waterloo
2V47 1637 London Waterloo to London Waterloo
2R53 1815 London Waterloo to London Waterloo

In the remote chance that this post gets seen by anyone, 12 of the 14 458/4s are in passenger service this morning (Monday 20.07.26) with four pairs vice 701

Train Formation Updates
458409 + 458413
05:26 Staines to Reading due 06:14
06:39 Reading to London Waterloo due 08:07
08:18 London Waterloo to Reading due 09:43
10:09 Reading to London Waterloo due 11:35
11:52 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 13:08
13:33 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 14:58
15:18 London Waterloo to Reading due 16:42
17:09 Reading to London Waterloo due 18:37
18:48 London Waterloo to Reading due 20:14
20:39 Reading to London Waterloo due 22:05
22:22 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 23:38
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:20/07/2026 06:08

458402 + 458415
05:31 Hounslow to London Waterloo due 06:08
06:22 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 07:38
08:02 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 09:28
09:52 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 11:08
11:33 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 12:58
13:18 London Waterloo to Reading due 14:43
15:09 Reading to London Waterloo due 16:35
16:48 London Waterloo to Reading due 18:14
18:39 Reading to London Waterloo due 20:07
20:18 London Waterloo to Reading due 21:41
22:09 Reading to London Waterloo due 23:35
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:20/07/2026 06:05

458426 + 458427
05:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 06:49
07:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 07:56
08:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 09:23
09:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 10:26
10:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 11:49
12:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 12:56
13:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 14:20
14:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 15:26
15:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 16:49
17:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 17:58
18:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 19:19
19:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 20:26
20:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 21:49
22:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 22:56
23:05 Windsor & Eton Riverside to Staines due 23:19
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:20/07/2026 06:05

458421 + 458424
06:47 Twickenham to London Waterloo due 07:41
07:48 London Waterloo to Reading due 09:13
09:39 Reading to London Waterloo due 11:05
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:20/07/2026 06:08

plus the two booked pairs

458414 + 458408
2Y03 0506 Clapham Junction to Weybridge
1S12 0632 Weybridge to London Waterloo
2V13 0807 London Waterloo to London Waterloo

458404 + 458412
2C09 0618 London Waterloo to Reading
2C20 0809 Reading to London Waterloo
2C23 0948 London Waterloo to Reading
2C34 1139 Reading to London Waterloo
2S37 1322 London Waterloo to Weybridge
2S46 1503 Weybridge to London Waterloo
2V47 1637 London Waterloo to London Waterloo
2R53 1815 London Waterloo to London Waterloo

Siemens Staines said:

In the remote chance that this post gets seen by anyone, 12 of the 14 458/4s are in passenger service this morning (Monday 20.07.26) with four pairs vice 701

Train Formation Updates
458409 + 458413
05:26 Staines to Reading due 06:14
06:39 Reading to London Waterloo due 08:07
08:18 London Waterloo to Reading due 09:43
10:09 Reading to London Waterloo due 11:35
11:52 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 13:08
13:33 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 14:58
15:18 London Waterloo to Reading due 16:42
17:09 Reading to London Waterloo due 18:37
18:48 London Waterloo to Reading due 20:14
20:39 Reading to London Waterloo due 22:05
22:22 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 23:38
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:20/07/2026 06:08

458402 + 458415
05:31 Hounslow to London Waterloo due 06:08
06:22 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 07:38
08:02 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 09:28
09:52 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 11:08
11:33 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 12:58
13:18 London Waterloo to Reading due 14:43
15:09 Reading to London Waterloo due 16:35
16:48 London Waterloo to Reading due 18:14
18:39 Reading to London Waterloo due 20:07
20:18 London Waterloo to Reading due 21:41
22:09 Reading to London Waterloo due 23:35
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:20/07/2026 06:05

458426 + 458427
05:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 06:49
07:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 07:56
08:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 09:23
09:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 10:26
10:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 11:49
12:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 12:56
13:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 14:20
14:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 15:26
15:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 16:49
17:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 17:58
18:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 19:19
19:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 20:26
20:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 21:49
22:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 22:56
23:05 Windsor & Eton Riverside to Staines due 23:19
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:20/07/2026 06:05

458421 + 458424
06:47 Twickenham to London Waterloo due 07:41
07:48 London Waterloo to Reading due 09:13
09:39 Reading to London Waterloo due 11:05
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:20/07/2026 06:08

plus the two booked pairs

458414 + 458408
2Y03 0506 Clapham Junction to Weybridge
1S12 0632 Weybridge to London Waterloo
2V13 0807 London Waterloo to London Waterloo

458404 + 458412
2C09 0618 London Waterloo to Reading
2C20 0809 Reading to London Waterloo
2C23 0948 London Waterloo to Reading
2C34 1139 Reading to London Waterloo
2S37 1322 London Waterloo to Weybridge
2S46 1503 Weybridge to London Waterloo
2V47 1637 London Waterloo to London Waterloo
2R53 1815 London Waterloo to London

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Brilliant. Thanks for posting

Siemens Staines said:

In the remote chance that this post gets seen by anyone, 12 of the 14 458/4s are in passenger service this morning (Monday 20.07.26) with four pairs vice 701

Train Formation Updates
458409 + 458413
05:26 Staines to Reading due 06:14
06:39 Reading to London Waterloo due 08:07
08:18 London Waterloo to Reading due 09:43
10:09 Reading to London Waterloo due 11:35
11:52 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 13:08
13:33 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 14:58
15:18 London Waterloo to Reading due 16:42
17:09 Reading to London Waterloo due 18:37
18:48 London Waterloo to Reading due 20:14
20:39 Reading to London Waterloo due 22:05
22:22 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 23:38
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:20/07/2026 06:08

458402 + 458415
05:31 Hounslow to London Waterloo due 06:08
06:22 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 07:38
08:02 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 09:28
09:52 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 11:08
11:33 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 12:58
13:18 London Waterloo to Reading due 14:43
15:09 Reading to London Waterloo due 16:35
16:48 London Waterloo to Reading due 18:14
18:39 Reading to London Waterloo due 20:07
20:18 London Waterloo to Reading due 21:41
22:09 Reading to London Waterloo due 23:35
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:20/07/2026 06:05

458426 + 458427
05:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 06:49
07:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 07:56
08:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 09:23
09:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 10:26
10:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 11:49
12:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 12:56
13:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 14:20
14:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 15:26
15:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 16:49
17:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 17:58
18:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 19:19
19:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 20:26
20:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 21:49
22:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 22:56
23:05 Windsor & Eton Riverside to Staines due 23:19
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:20/07/2026 06:05

458421 + 458424
06:47 Twickenham to London Waterloo due 07:41
07:48 London Waterloo to Reading due 09:13
09:39 Reading to London Waterloo due 11:05
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:20/07/2026 06:08

plus the two booked pairs

458414 + 458408
2Y03 0506 Clapham Junction to Weybridge
1S12 0632 Weybridge to London Waterloo
2V13 0807 London Waterloo to London Waterloo

458404 + 458412
2C09 0618 London Waterloo to Reading
2C20 0809 Reading to London Waterloo
2C23 0948 London Waterloo to Reading
2C34 1139 Reading to London Waterloo
2S37 1322 London Waterloo to Weybridge
2S46 1503 Weybridge to London Waterloo
2V47 1637 London Waterloo to London Waterloo
2R53 1815 London Waterloo to London Waterloo

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Thanks.

That's a lot out in service !.

Peter Sarf said:

Thanks.

That's a lot out in service !.

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Yes indeed. I thought that the use of 458/4 was supposed to be winding down in late July, not going up. Perhaps no coincidence that last Fridays planned 5Q95 to Strawberry Hill for warm store was cancelled, although I notice that the same STP path exists for this Friday;

5Q95 1215 Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs to Strawberry Hill C.S.D.

I could have posted this on Friday, but there was little point because it would have disappeared in to the Black Hole of auto-merge (like the notable working of 458/4 to Shepperton last week).

Siemens Staines said:

Yes indeed. I thought that the use of 458/4 was supposed to be winding down in late July, not going up. Perhaps no coincidence that last Fridays planned 5Q95 to Strawberry Hill for warm store was cancelled, although I notice that the same STP path exists for this Friday;

5Q95 1215 Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs to Strawberry Hill C.S.D.

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:Q17309/2026-07-24/detailed

I could have posted this on Friday, but there was little point because it would have disappeared in to the Black Hole of auto-merge (like the notable working of 458/4 to Shepperton last week).

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Yes auto-merge is a good tidying feature BUT users do not get an alert that anything has been added.

Be nice if there was a way of temporarily switching auto-merge off on individual posts - or is there and I don't know !....

There are no short forms shown for Metro or Windsor Line services on journeycheck today (Tuesday 21.07.26), but there are two pairs of 458 on what I believe should be 701 diagrams.

458426 + 458427
2U08 0553 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U11 0703 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U18 0823 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U21 0933 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U28 1053 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U31 1203 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U38 1323 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U41 1433 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U48 1553 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U51 1703 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U58 1823 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U61 1933 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U68 2053 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U71 2203 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U78 2305 Windsor & Eton Riverside to Staines

458402 + 458415
2U07 0627 Twickenham to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U14 0726 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U17 0833 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U24 0953 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U27 1103 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U34 1223 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U37 1333 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U44 1453 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U47 1603 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U54 1723 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U57 1833 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U64 1953 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U67 2103 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U74 2223 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U77 2333 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside

plus the two booked pairs of 458/4

458404 + 458412
2Y03 0506 Clapham Junction to Weybridge
1S12 0632 Weybridge to London Waterloo
2V13 0807 London Waterloo to London Waterloo

458424 + 458421
2C09 0618 London Waterloo to Reading
2C20 0809 Reading to London Waterloo
2C23 0948 London Waterloo to Reading
2C34 1139 Reading to London Waterloo
2S37 1322 London Waterloo to Weybridge
2S46 1503 Weybridge to London Waterloo
2V47 1637 London Waterloo to London Waterloo
2R53 1815 London Waterloo to London Waterloo

Siemens Staines said:

There are no short forms shown for Metro or Windsor Line services on journeycheck today (Tuesday 21.07.26), but there are two pairs of 458 on what I believe should be 701 diagrams.

458426 + 458427
2U08 0553 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U11 0703 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U18 0823 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U21 0933 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U28 1053 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U31 1203 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U38 1323 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U41 1433 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U48 1553 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U51 1703 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U58 1823 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U61 1933 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U68 2053 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U71 2203 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U78 2305 Windsor & Eton Riverside to Staines

458402 + 458415
2U07 0627 Twickenham to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U14 0726 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U17 0833 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U24 0953 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U27 1103 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U34 1223 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U37 1333 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U44 1453 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U47 1603 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U54 1723 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U57 1833 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U64 1953 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U67 2103 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U74 2223 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U77 2333 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside

plus the two booked pairs of 458/4

458404 + 458412
2Y03 0506 Clapham Junction to Weybridge
1S12 0632 Weybridge to London Waterloo
2V13 0807 London Waterloo to London Waterloo

458424 + 458421
2C09 0618 London Waterloo to Reading
2C20 0809 Reading to London Waterloo
2C23 0948 London Waterloo to Reading
2C34 1139 Reading to London Waterloo
2S37 1322 London Waterloo to Weybridge
2S46 1503 Weybridge to London Waterloo
2V47 1637 London Waterloo to London Waterloo
2R53 1815 London Waterloo to London Waterloo

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It is funny how twelve 458/4s used on Monday down to eight today looks like a dramatic drop as a list.

Furthermore twelve out of fourteen 458/4s in use on your previous list is high availability for a fleet being run down !.

And to think, this time last year, the replacement by 701s was looking much less promising.

Peter Sarf said:

It is funny how twelve 458/4s used on Monday down to eight today looks like a dramatic drop as a list.

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On the face of it, but only two circuits - ie 2 x 10 car 701.

Remember thinking how having fixed 10 car sets (everywhere) seemed a bit strange to me, being a dinosaur from BR days as I am, when they first arrived on SED. Peak hour crush loading, yes, brilliant, but off peak and more to the point, when a unit sits down and is taken out of service, that's it, train/s (rest of diagram potentially) cancelled. Short formed, but still running, no longer an option!

Am still banking on 56/60 (10 car) and 27/30 (5 car) in service each (SX) day eventually. We will see.

Big Jumby 74 said:

Remember thinking how having fixed 10 car sets (everywhere) seemed a bit strange to me, being a dinosaur from BR days as I am, when they first arrived on SED. Peak hour crush loading, yes, brilliant, but off peak and more to the point, when a unit sits down and is taken out of service, that's it, train/s (rest of diagram potentially) cancelled. Short formed, but still running, no longer an option!

Am still banking on 56/60 (10 car) and 27/30 (5 car) in service each (SX) day eventually. We will see.

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What is SED and SX please.

SED is South Eastern Division and SX is Saturday excepted, where as SO is Saturday Only.

Hope that helps.

There are no short forms shown for Metro or Windsor Line services on journeycheck today(Wednesday 22.07.26), but there are three pairs of 458 on what I believe should be 701 diagrams, all on Windsors. There still has not been more than 48 701s simultaneously in service on the 51 diagrams from 55 units. It is 47 today with 1 diagram cancelled (1N92) in addition to the three pairs of 458/4 below;

458426 + 458427
2U08 0553 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U11 0703 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U18 0823 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U21 0933 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U28 1053 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U31 1203 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U38 1323 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U41 1433 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U48 1553 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U51 1703 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U58 1823 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U61 1933 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U68 2053 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U71 2203 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U78 2305 Windsor & Eton Riverside to Staines

458402 + 458415
2U10 0623 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U13 0733 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U20 0853 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U23 1003 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U30 1123 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U33 1233 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U40 1353 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U43 1503 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U50 1623 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U53 1733 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U60 1853 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U63 2003 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U70 2123 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U73 2233 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U80 2337 Windsor & Eton Riverside to Staines

458404 + 458412
2U07 0627 Twickenham to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U14 0726 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U17 0833 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U24 0953 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U27 1103 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U34 1223 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U37 1333 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U44 1453 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U47 1603 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U54 1723 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U57 1833 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U64 1953 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U67 2103 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U74 2223 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U77 2333 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside

plus the two booked pairs of 458/4

458424 + 458421
2Y03 0506 Clapham Junction to Weybridge
1S12 0632 Weybridge to London Waterloo
2V13 0807 London Waterloo to London Waterloo

458409 + 458413
2C09 0618 London Waterloo to Reading
2C20 0809 Reading to London Waterloo
2C23 0948 London Waterloo to Reading
2C34 1139 Reading to London Waterloo
2S37 1322 London Waterloo to Weybridge
2S46 1503 Weybridge to London Waterloo
2V47 1637 London Waterloo to London Waterloo
2R53 1815 London Waterloo to London Waterloo

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There are three pairs of 458/4 vice 701 shown on journeycheck for today(Thursday 23.07.26). As per yesterday, all are on Windsors

458402 + 458415
05:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 06:49
07:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 07:56
08:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 09:23
09:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 10:26
10:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 11:49
12:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 12:56
13:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 14:20
14:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 15:26
15:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 16:49
17:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 17:58
18:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 19:19
19:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 20:26
20:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 21:49
22:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 22:56
23:05 Windsor & Eton Riverside to Staines due 23:19
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:23/07/2026 06:11

458404 + 458412
06:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 07:22
07:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 08:26
08:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 09:53
10:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 10:56
11:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 12:20
12:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 13:26
13:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 14:49
15:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 15:56
16:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 17:19
17:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 18:28
18:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 19:49
20:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 20:56
21:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 22:19
22:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 23:26
23:37 Windsor & Eton Riverside to Staines due 23:51
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:23/07/2026 06:09

458426 + 458427
06:27 Twickenham to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 06:59
07:26 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 08:24
08:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 09:26
09:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 10:49
11:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 11:56
12:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 13:19
13:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 14:26
14:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 15:51
16:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 16:58
17:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 18:19
18:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 19:28
19:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 20:49
21:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 21:56
22:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 23:19
23:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 00:26
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:23/07/2026 06:10

plus the two booked pairs of 458/4

458409 + 458413
2Y03 0506 Clapham Junction to Weybridge
1S12 0632 Weybridge to London Waterloo
2V13 0807 London Waterloo to London Waterloo

458421 + 458424
2C09 0618 London Waterloo to Reading
2C20 0809 Reading to London Waterloo
2C23 0948 London Waterloo to Reading
2C34 1139 Reading to London Waterloo
2S37 1322 London Waterloo to Weybridge
2S46 1503 Weybridge to London Waterloo
2V47 1637 London Waterloo to London Waterloo
2R53 1815 London Waterloo to London Waterloo

WWTownEnth said:

Status of fleet

458401 stored at Bournemouth
458402 In passenger service
458403 stored at Bournemouth
458404 In passenger service
458405 stored at Bournemouth
458406 stored at Bournemouth
458407 stored at Bournemouth
458408 In passenger service
458409 In passenger service
458410 stored at Bournemouth
458411 stored at Bournemouth
458412 In passenger service
458413 In passenger service
458414 In passenger service
458415 In passenger service
458416 In passenger service
458417 stored at Bournemouth
458418 stored at Bournemouth
458419 stored at Bournemouth
458420 stored at Bournemouth
458421 In passenger service
458422 stored at Bournemouth
458423 In passenger service
458424 In passenger service
458425 stored at Bournemouth
458426 In passenger service
458427 In passenger service
458428 In passenger service

15/28 in passenger service
13/28 stored at Bournemouth

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I have tried to update the above - I have 401 now at Bournemouth and 416 back at Wimbledon. Is that correct?

WWTownEnth said:

I have tried to update the above - I have 401 now at Bournemouth and 416 back at Wimbledon. Is that correct?

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Yes that is correct. Thanks for updating the file.

458416 has not returned to passenger service since it returned to Wimbledon two weeks ago, so I think that it may still be in warm store, just at Wimbledon instead of Bournemouth. Potentiallly, it could even end up at Strawberry Hill today, if 5Q95 runs later. But I am happy to be corrected on this.

Today is the last weekday of this diagram period and a few weeks ago it looked like it may also be the last day of passenger service for 458s on SWR, had the 701 replacing 2*450 replacing 2*458 cascade continued at the rate that it was. It does not quite look that way this morning with five pairs of 458/4 in passenger service. There are no short forms shown for Metro or Windsor Line services on journeycheck today(Friday 24.07.26), but three pairs of 458 are on what I believe should be 701 diagrams. As per recent days, all are on Windsors

458404 + 458412
2U08 0553 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U11 0703 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U18 0823 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U21 0933 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U28 1053 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U31 1203 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U38 1323 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U41 1433 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U48 1553 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U51 1703 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U58 1823 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U61 1933 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U68 2053 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U71 2203 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U78 2305 Windsor & Eton Riverside to Staines

458426 + 458427
2U10 0623 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U13 0733 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U20 0853 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U23 1003 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U30 1123 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U33 1233 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U40 1353 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U43 1503 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U50 1623 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U53 1733 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U60 1853 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U63 2003 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U70 2123 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U73 2233 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U80 2336 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo

458402 + 458415
2U07 0627 Twickenham to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U14 0726 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U17 0833 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U24 0953 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U27 1103 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U34 1223 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U37 1333 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U44 1453 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U47 1603 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U54 1723 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U57 1833 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U64 1953 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U67 2103 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U74 2223 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo

plus the two booked pairs of 458/4

458421 + 458424
2Y03 0506 Clapham Junction to Weybridge
1S12 0632 Weybridge to London Waterloo
2V13 0807 London Waterloo to London Waterloo

458409 + 458413
2C09 0618 London Waterloo to Reading
2C20 0809 Reading to London Waterloo
2C23 0948 London Waterloo to Reading
2C34 1139 Reading to London Waterloo
2S37 1322 London Waterloo to Weybridge
2S46 1503 Weybridge to London Waterloo
2V47 1637 London Waterloo to London Waterloo
2R53 1815 London Waterloo to London Waterloo

swr444 said:

Next week, the diagram that starts with 2D08 goes over to 701. But the diagram which starts with 2R03 goes from 701 to 450. Diagram with 2C09 goes from 458/4 to 450 as well. I think this is mainly some stock shuffling with the July PA timetable change.

Chessington South goes fully 701 in this change too.

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Does this mean that
2Y03 0506 Clapham Junction to Weybridge
1S12 0632 Weybridge to London Waterloo
2V13 0807 London Waterloo to London Waterloo
become the only booked 458/4 runs?

Siemens Staines said:

458416 has not returned to passenger service since it returned to Wimbledon two weeks ago, so I think that it may still be in warm store, just at Wimbledon instead of Bournemouth. Potentiallly, it could even end up at Strawberry Hill today, if 5Q95 runs later.

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It didn't

RTT showing what looks like one set of two 458s running to Eton and Windsor alongside the 701s, is this the only 458 set running today?