Uncle Buck
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I did this in the back seat of a 24 plate Dacia the other day.
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Things in living memory which seem very anachronistic now
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WesternLancer
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I wish they were still common.
Every car I’ve had with electric windows the mechanism has gone wrong eventually and cost in excess of £100 per window to fix usually needed new sealed sub assembly motors.
And they don’t even provide the incremental adjustment ability of a hand operated winder.
I recall them first appearing on luxury cars as a fancy thing. But now they are standard and just a pain in the backside imho!
What do you mean? That you can't open the window part-way? If so that's new to me.
Uncle Buck
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As an evangelist for cheap cars, I am constantly amazed by some of the nonsense people have in theirs. When I was on holiday, I used a Tesla Uber. Even the door was digital- I had to get the driver to do something on a screen to open it. What is the point!
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I mean that the shortest burst on the electric window switch alters the window by 1 or 2 cm minimum.
With a traditional winder you could adjust it by 1 or 2 mm should you desire.
I’m constantly flicking the switch up and down to get the window where I want it. That’s never an issue with a rotating handle which is ergonomically much more natural to operate.
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Yes. Bonkers.
Tesla claim that the lack of an external door handle reduced aerodynamic drag. This has, rightly, generally been seen as the nonsense that it is. The fact is that electronic entry only exists for the "cool" factor.
However, since it depends on the 12V battery and has no physical handle on the inside* it's entirely possible to get trapped inside your vehicle, even if it is otherwise working. And it only gets worse after an accident - there have been multiple instances of emergency services having to break windows to extract victims, and at least one instance in the USA where three people survived the accident only to die as a result of the fire that ensued.
China has now banned such systems.
*The front doors do have a release mechanism, but it's hidden and not intuitive.
It is annoying, yes. But that annoyance is a small price to pay to be able to open or close windows remotely.
As an aside, I find it easier to open the window all the way and then close it to my desired width.
True. Albeit a further niche downside is having to remember to lock this function if you have an exploratory grandchild with wandering hands in a carseat.
WesternLancer
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Valid points of course. But you can’t remotely open or close electric windows when the switch or mechanism has broken
Literally every car I’ve ever had with electric windows they have gone wrong.
List being
VW x2 cars
Jaguar
BMW mini
Volvo i had with winding windows. No problem.
GusB
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I have electric windows in the front doors of my car, but my back-seat passengers still have to put up with keep-fit windows.
The digital door can be deadly in emergencies as they aren’t as intuitive, the manual controls, and electronics fail
Inoperable door handles (interior or exterior) after battery loss have caused numerous deaths and serious injuries in the USA and elsewhere. This is not in principle an EV issue, but Teslas have a particularly bad name for this, seemingly because Elon Musk does not wants "anachronistic" looking door handles. Teslas do have emergency internal manual releases but to use them you need to peel off trim, and you need to read the manual to find this out, which is not the sort of thing you can do in the rear seat of a burning car. I would never get in a Tesla taxi.
StacheD, an American firefighter, often covers burning cars on YouTube, especially the stuck door issue. For example (starting at the door handles) :
https://youtu.be/58PJpmPlYZs?t=330
IlkleyRunner
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This thread has now got the White Horses theme tune running around my head on an endless loop....
A throwback to simpler times of no internet, no mobile phones, no 24hr news and arguably a lot less hate!
I don't know if my parents would agree (they have clear memories of "No dogs, no blacks, no Irish" signs, etc), but it definitely was more difficult to get a platform for it.
Indeed - let’s say a lot less whipped-up “faux-rage” about trifles.
And a lot more trifles (of the dessert variety)!
CaptainHaddock
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You can go back to these simpler times any time you like by just switching off your phone!
DM352
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Probably said somewhere in the last 152 pages when someone at the till paid with Access using the carbon copy forms which took forever. That was pre bar code so checkout lines would be long. Now it is the same time taken when the chip does not work!
I also remember those likely non millenium compliant NCR ticket machines at staffed stations where it would make the beep of defeat to the staff if the complicated routing did not not work! This was especially when I wanted to use the season ticket gold card from boundary zone 6 to a destination outside London to save a few quid.
I also remember those likely non millenium compliant NCR ticket machines at staffed stations where it would make the beep of defeat to the staff if the complicated routing did not not work! This was especially when I wanted to use the season ticket gold card from boundary zone 6 to a destination outside London to save a few quid.
It’s not that easy if your livelihood is on web apps
A life that exessively relies on continual mobile phone presence is essentially a choice.
To an extent but when jobs require WhatsApp. Certain gyms require a qr code to enter. Certain shops require a smartphone, such as Amazon Fresh in the uk, the modern world is ran by smartphones.
It’s like saying it’s a choice to have electricity in your house.
I hate smartphones (but OK with PCs) but it is increasing difficult to live without them. For example my bank is doing its damnedest to make us use its phone app rather than PC, and has recently "optimised" its website for the phone app and at the same time made it awful on a PC. I suspect they will soon ban access with a PC entirely for personal customers. Don't tell me to go to a high street branch like in simpler times, because most of them closed years ago. I think my nearest is now about 25 miles away.
I'd be very surprised if any bank completely blocked access from standard web browsers, even if they do favour and encourage mobile devices.
CaptainHaddock
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Then the answer is surely not to use "certain" gyms or "certain" shops. I don't need a smartphone to shop at Sainsbury's* and if I want to keep fit I go on a walk or bike ride instead of using gyms (the air's fresh and the scenery's so much better!). And I wasn't suggesting getting rid of smartphones altogether, just switching yours off when you're not using it.
* Other supermarkets are available.
I guess it’s possible to do this or maybe live without a smartphone but hard for some.
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Difficult if the sport you want to watch, or the event you want to go to, only does tickets via the venue's app.
I 100% agree that there's no legal obligation, however it may be very difficult to avoid in some circumstances.
For example, my employer enforces the use of Microsoft Authenticator push notifications for logging in to company resources. I could decide that I don't want to use a Smartphone, but that would mean having to find a new job.