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Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, the secret sealed document and his arrest

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Now also transpires he was sub-letting properties on the Royal Lodge Estate, at the same time he wasn't paying any rent himself from his lease agreement:


Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor received an undisclosed rental income from sub-letting three cottages on the Royal Lodge estate that he leased from the Crown Estate, the public spending watchdog has revealed.
The National Audit Office (NAO) report also revealed that the King pays the rent for accommodation in royal palaces for Mountbatten-Windsor's daughters Princesses Eugenie and Beatrice, who are not working royals.
It is the first report into royal residences in 20 years and shows Mountbatten-Windsor and his family and staff had 12 properties, owned by the Crown Estate or the Royal Household.
A Buckingham Palace spokesman said the report was "in line with the Royal Household's commitment to transparency".
Mountbatten-Windsor had paid £7.5m for repairs when he took on the lease for Royal Lodge, and that meant that he did not have to pay a monthly rent.

The watchdog report into royal residences shows that Princess Eugenie has a property in Kensington Palace and Princess Beatrice in St James's Palace.

They do not pay any rent for this central London accommodation, instead it is paid by the "privy purse", which is the monarch's personal money, to the Royal Household.

Both of the palaces are maintained by public funding, through the Sovereign Grant.

Norman Baker, former Home Office minister and critic of royal finances, said it was "outrageous to subsidise luxury accommodation" in this way and that the public was "being taken for a ride".

He said such arrangements should no longer be sustainable and that "deference is wearing thin indeed".

A Palace source said that the rent paid on these properties for non-working royals would cover any publicly funded expenditure, so there would be no extra cost to the Sovereign Grant, which pays for the official duties of the monarchy.

The report does not specify how much rent is paid on the princesses' palace property, but the level is meant to be 60% of the open market rate.

The NAO report was prompted by the scandal surrounding Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor - and will be followed by an inquiry by MPs on the public accounts committee.

It shows a collection of 12 properties used by Mountbatten-Windsor and his family.

Even though Mountbatten-Windsor left Royal Lodge earlier this year, moving to Sandringham in Norfolk, he still has the lease on Royal Lodge until October 2026.

There is no suggestion in the NAO report of any wrongdoing by Mountbatten-Windsor.

As well as the main building at Royal Lodge, there were another eight nearby properties, with Mountbatten-Windsor's lease allowing three of these cottages to be sub-let, which he did until April 2026.

The report does not say how much he received in rental income, but Palace sources suggest he rented the property to staff or retired staff and the amount was only enough to cover running costs.

Whatever the amount, it went to Mountbatten-Windsor rather than the Crown Estate, which would pay its profits back to the Treasury.

He also had another lease for a property called East Lodge, which the BBC previously revealed was to be handed back to the Crown Estate.

His two daughters have homes in the Cotswolds and in Portugal as well as their royal properties in the palaces.
 
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BBC Newsnight discovered Pizza Express held an inquiry into whether then Prince Andrew really did visit their Woking branch. Shock horror, turns out he didn't:


Pizza Express held an internal inquiry into whether Andrew Mountbatten Windsor had visited its restaurant in Woking, BBC Newsnight has learned.

The former prince claimed in his infamous 2019 Newsnight interview that he had been at the branch in Surrey on the day he was alleged to have slept with Virginia Giuffre, one of late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein's victims.

BBC Newsnight has now discovered the pizza chain investigated the claim and found no evidence that he had, or had not, been there. Our research has also found no record of anyone seeing him there on the night in 2001.

Mountbatten-Windsor did not respond to a request for comment but he has strenuously denied any wrongdoing.

Newsnight has revisited the 2019 interview in light of the Epstein files, and Mountbatten-Windsor's arrest in February on suspicion of misconduct in public office by Thames Valley Police. He was subsequently released under investigation.

Giuffre alleged she was forced to have sex with Mountbatten-Windsor three times, including when she was aged 17.

One of these was alleged to have taken place on 10 March 2001, when Giuffre said she had dined with him, danced with him at a nightclub and gone on to have sex with him at the house of Ghislaine Maxwell, a friend of the then-prince, in Belgravia, central London.

In his Newsnight interview, Mountbatten-Windsor said he had instead taken his daughter Princess Beatrice to a party at a Pizza Express in Woking at "4pm or 5pm in the afternoon" on that day before spending the night at home.

The vast majority of the interview was broadcast, but a small amount of material was not included because of time constraints.
 

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BBC Newsnight discovered Pizza Express held an inquiry into whether then Prince Andrew really did visit their Woking branch. Shock horror, turns out he didn't:

That's not what the report says - it says there's no evidence that he did and there is no evidence that he did not.
 

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That's not what the report says - it says there's no evidence that he did and there is no evidence that he did not.

Nobody remembers a Prince eating there. That’s as good as a “no he didn’t”. Proving a negative isn’t exactly easy. All we need is for the met to release the logs of where their protection officers were that evening
 

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BBC Newsnight discovered Pizza Express held an inquiry into whether then Prince Andrew really did visit their Woking branch. Shock horror, turns out he didn't:

Erm, no.

It says:

BBC News said:
BBC Newsnight has now discovered the pizza chain investigated the claim and found no evidence that he had, or had not, been there.

Frankly they're not going to have records of this given it was 18 years between the supposed visit and the date that he made the claim. CCTV and booking records will be long gone, and given the turnover in hospitality, probably most, if not all, of the staff will have moved on.
 

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Until there is true justice, the only benefit I can see from the constant reference to the man formerly known as prince is to maintain the profile of Epstein victims.
 

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Until there is true justice, the only benefit I can see from the constant reference to the man formerly known as prince is to maintain the profile of Epstein victims.
Indeed.

Wonder if, even though for all the reasons given it is impossible to prove, Pizza Express are trying to prove or disprove to have a defence in case of a claim, no matter how tenuous.

Are the Met logs sub judice?
 

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Wonder if, even though for all the reasons given it is impossible to prove, Pizza Express are trying to prove or disprove to have a defence in case of a claim, no matter how tenuous.
How would they face any liability?
 

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Given how empty that particular branch always seems to be, it always puzzled me why they never applied for a royal warrant to try and drum up more business.
 

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Wonder if, even though for all the reasons given it is impossible to prove, Pizza Express are trying to prove or disprove to have a defence in case of a claim, no matter how tenuous.
Whether he was at Pizza Express or not, they've done nothing wrong and caused no damage, so there's no claim to be made.
Are the Met logs sub judice?
Goodness knows. I suspect the Met are busily building a case but they need sufficient evidence, and they know they'll likely only get one shot, so they can't afford to mess it up. Same with the CPS who will want the best quality evidence possible if they're going to authorise a prosecution.

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Given how empty that particular branch always seems to be, it always puzzled me why they never applied for a royal warrant to try and drum up more business.
I thought I heard that they made a 'Meat Sweats' pizza after the affair but that could be completely rumour. Must be years since I set foot in a Pizza Express!

I suspect they just want to distance themselves from the whole thing.
 

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All it needed was for Beatrice and/or her friends to confirm he was there - if it was true. Silence from that quarter.
 

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All it needed was for Beatrice and/or her friends to confirm he was there - if it was true. Silence from that quarter.
We don’t have a clue whether an alibi has been confirmed or denied apart from speculation.
I am sure we would all like to see all the evidence available and charges brought but that is not the way our Justice system works. Trial by media has huge pitfalls and I wouldn’t be surprised that any charges brought are much watered down than we expect.
 

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All it needed was for Beatrice and/or her friends to confirm he was there - if it was true. Silence from that quarter.
And again, we're talking events of a specific day some 18 years ago. And even if they said "No, we didn't go there that day it was a week before", lack of an alibi isn't proof of a crime.
 

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Well, I grew up in Woking, and Its, not really the sort of establishment Royalty would choose to frequent, Somewhere like Ascot possibly, or closer to home, for one it would be a security nightmare, right in the middle of the town centre, very hard to get VIP guests in and out without people noticing,

and believe you me, if Two princesses, real actual ones, and their protection officers were there as well as their Father, word would have gotten out, for one ordinary eaters would have seen them,
 

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Stress the tenuous. Whole thing has the feel of corporate backside protecting rather than anything credible.
Indeed. It feels less like backside covering from a liability perspective and more a case of "Hey, leave us out of this!"
 

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Well, I grew up in Woking, and Its, not really the sort of establishment Royalty would choose to frequent, Somewhere like Ascot possibly, or closer to home, for one it would be a security nightmare, right in the middle of the town centre, very hard to get VIP guests in and out without people noticing,
You say that, but Obama was known for his love of a local Five Guys, much to the annoyance of the US Secret Service when he went on impromptu trips.
and believe you me, if Two princesses, real actual ones, and their protection officers were there as well as their Father, word would have gotten out, for one ordinary eaters would have seen them,
The Queen maybe, but honestly before this whole debacle, I wouldn't have recognised Andrew in a month of Sundays.
 

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Given how empty that particular branch always seems to be, it always puzzled me why they never applied for a royal warrant to try and drum up more business.
By Royal Appointment to the HRH Duke of York, purveyors of greasy pizzas and dodgy alibis.
 

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Good job they picked a slow news day to reveal this ;)

Has there been anyone - seriously, not the people on the google maps reviews - ever who claims to remember seeing Prince Andrew in the Pizza Express in Woking? Even if they couldn't remember the date seeing a minor Royal would surely be the sort of thing that would stick in your mind if you're at a Pizza Express in Woking.
 

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Even if they couldn't remember the date seeing a minor Royal would surely be the sort of thing that would stick in your mind if you're at a Pizza Express in Woking.
I don't know that I could reliably pick any of the minor Royals out of a line-up. And it's an awfully specific alibi to pick if he had *never* been there.
 

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I don't know that I could reliably pick any of the minor Royals out of a line-up. And it's an awfully specific alibi to pick if he had *never* been there.
No, nor could I. The people of Woking could, though. That's very much what they're like.
 

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I don't know that I could reliably pick any of the minor Royals out of a line-up. And it's an awfully specific alibi to pick if he had *never* been there.
I probably could've done, he might have been a minor royal but he was in the news quite a bit, it'd have only been a few years since the divorce at that point. The chances of no-one around Woking recognising him though? having had time to prepare for *that* interview maybe Woking was thought too far away for him to have attended the other party, but not too far away from home?
 

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I don't know that I could reliably pick any of the minor Royals out of a line-up. And it's an awfully specific alibi to pick if he had *never* been there.
Yes Andrew basically disappeared out of the main limelight after his marriage with Fergie ended, despite being a senior trade envoy for a decade. The Epstein business arising in 2019 was what first brought him back into the limelight, then he decided to do the Newsnight interview and the rest is history.
 

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