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Windermere Station Rebuilding Plans

AndrewE

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IIRC, trolley wire catenary is limited to a maximum speed of 40 km/h or 25 mph.
Thanks, maybe I have mis-remembered, that is a bit slow! I thought there was an established simple low-cost solution ready to go, maybe I picked the wrong one.
 
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jon0844

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It just seems to me a high cost to put up wiring when we have got to the point that batteries (and the means to charge) are almost certainly good enough.

While I accept you don't just pop to Argos to buy a battery train, it really ought to be quicker to sort the train(s) than the wires.. and you don't have to equip every train immediately - you just do it over time. If you are currently using diesel trains then you need to change the rolling stock anyway.
 

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It just seems to me a high cost to put up wiring when we have got to the point that batteries (and the means to charge) are almost certainly good enough.
but not yet really established or approved...
While I accept you don't just pop to Argos to buy a battery train, it really ought to be quicker to sort the train(s) than the wires.. and you don't have to equip every train immediately - you just do it over time. If you are currently using diesel trains then you need to change the rolling stock anyway.
Northern have an order in for EMUs, so a few extra won't introduce any time constraint or extra training need at all (apart from for the current DMU drivers.)
A wire from Oxenholme needs no other infrastructure, whereas a charging station at Windermere is a project in its own right - even if you can get a train approved to use it.

I would bet on 6 months for wires, 6 years for new battery-EMU hybrids. I suppose they could piggy-back on a Scottish order but that is still a new class to train on and I don't think there is even a projected introduction date for the Scots ones anyway.
 

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For trains that are already under the wires between Manchester and Oxenholme ? I don't think so. The sort of nonsense McNulty the aeroplane guy came up with.



Crewe's a grand station in need of a lick of paint.
No, the canopies are knackered.

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......and reglazing of the canopies at the south end. More likely is that Crewe will be mostly demolished under the revived HS2 to Manchester, when AB becomes PM.
I doubt it.
 

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I'd have thought it would make more sense now to look at bi/tri-mode trains with batteries than put up wires. That should stop the inevitable years of consultation and attempts to halt the project because of the view being spoilt.

If you had at least one more bay, you'd have the ability to charge/top-up at the station.
Even the National Park wants it.

Shouldn’t that say how much of a no brainer it is?
 

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A wire from Oxenholme needs no other infrastructure, whereas a charging station at Windermere is a project in its own right - even if you can get a train approved to use it.
I'm sure I read a contribution on here from someone "in the know" that that's not the case, and there are some issues with major cost implications.

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Even the National Park wants it.

Shouldn’t that say how much of a no brainer it is?
The National Park wouldn't be paying for it.
If this was a simple "no brainer" it would have been done years ago.
 

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I'm sure I read a contribution on here from someone "in the know" that that's not the case, and there are some issues with major cost implications.

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Was that the Burneside LC?
The National Park wouldn't be paying for it.
but that's not relevant when saying "they want it" is to point out the error of people saying it would be obstructed
If this was a simple "no brainer" it would have been done years ago.
in common with lots of stuff which doesn't benefit the home counties. Like filling potholes: I can never believe the quality of road surfaces in Westminster and some other parts of the SE when I see them...
 

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I'm sure I read a contribution on here from someone "in the know" that that's not the case, and there are some issues with major cost implications.

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The National Park wouldn't be paying for it.
If this was a simple "no brainer" it would have been done years ago.
I’m genuinely not sure why your anti the easiest electrification scheme in the country.

It was designed. Evaluated. Shovel ready. It only got cancelled because GWEP was out of money and Chris Grayling knew they weren’t winning the seat.

There is no new feeder infrastructure, the bridges were not an issue, they’d even electrified Oxenholme Platform 3 (arguably the hardest part) ready for it.
 

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Was that the Burneside LC?
I think its may be Staveley level crossing thats the problem as there is a low bridge not far away from it so you’d go from minimum wire height to maximum very quickly and then there is a DNO overhead feed immediately the other side of the crossing. At Burneside you have a level crossing then the station then another Level crossing so you would ideally keep the wire at maximum height between the 2 level crossings
 

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