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Looks like it’s running and now at Surbiton. Anyone have eyes on the unit numbers please?
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Just saw it through Woking. 8420 and 8410 were the units.
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Thank you!
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Just 16 now in passenger service, from which ten diagrams (five pairs) are drawn on weekdays.
The end of this fleet by late July is looking quite possible.
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Siemens Staines
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Of note is that 458410 has gone straight to warm store after 4 months of being out of service.
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No. As I mentioned up thread. By my estimates I am sticking by my earlier theory of 15/16 as a maximum. Could well be less depending on present day local depot workings/siding availability of which I am well out of touch with.
Four of five max as a guess (outside) in the short sidings, assuming the 8 car shed roads* may be needed for 5 car 701's in due course, if there is a 458/701-5 overlap, but perhaps the plan is to have the 458's gone and off the patch before the last of the 5 car 701's arrive and enter service? This was always going to be tight.
* That's if those roads are still 8 car length. Been a long time!
Two of the former "asbestos shed" roads are, I beleive used by the preservation group to hold the VEP and 455. The outsde roads around the back of the shed appear to have either removed or completely overgrown with saplins, so presumably it is the "old building" shed roads that we are talking about here.
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If Farnham has been cleared of stored 701/0s, then presumably there is currently some space there although perhaps that has already been earmarked for 701/5s awaiting the call to be commissioned?
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If I am correct SETG has 7 & 8 shed roads. 9 shed road is long since removed (within the shed at least). 5 & 6 shed roads use to be CM&EE roads, and 1 to 4 shed roads were traffic roads, and of these 3 shed was a 6 car road, being shortened within the shed and 1,2 & 4 were 8 car roads. In more recent times 4 shed road was removed (within the shed) completely, 5 & 6 shed roads were out of use long term, leaving just 1-3 (traffic) shed roads, and it is these latter 3 roads to which I was referring, but as said, no idea of their current status?
The outside short sidings, to the West of the shed, as short as they were/are, were brought back in to (electric) use some years ago, possibly in relation to the SWT 10 car plan. Seems only a short while ago to me, but probably more years have past than I care to admit !
Pre 2019 Farnham depot was nearly full to capacity, including the new sidings at the Wrecclesham Road end. To allow for movements between the shed and the CET facility on the night shift, certain roads had to be kept clear of stock each night, and back then the depot was stabled up each night to within 6 cars of its operational capacity.
The reduced covid timetable has likely thrown up spare capacity within the overall network at certain places, whilst reducing capacity at others as a result of a number of units not being required each day. Hence perceived spare capacity at location F (for example?) does not necessarily mean location B still has as much spare capacity as it did pre covid.
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Will be intersting to see if this runs tomorrow. I think theres a good chance it might:
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Realtime Trains | 5X95 1217 Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D | 26/06/2026
Real-time train running information for 5X95 1217 departure from Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D on 26/06/2026. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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Puzzles me that these 458/4s are leaving Wimbledon quicker than the less wanted 458/5s going into store at Long Marston.
Is it because the 458/4s are not being handed back to the ROSCO so soon so are not being got into good condition (as per contract) for return - yet. Whereas the 458/5s have to be got back into good condition before handing back sooner.
Is it because the 458/4s are not being handed back to the ROSCO so soon so are not being got into good condition (as per contract) for return - yet. Whereas the 458/5s have to be got back into good condition before handing back sooner.
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I suspect that it may be the case that whatever outstanding work the 458/5s require prior to hand back has to be done regardless, but isn't time critical. Warm storing the 458/4s, until their lease expires in a years time, avoids having to pay for any expensive mileage based exams that they may be due soon? If I have understood the far more knowledgable voices correctly, then the principal critical factor is to free up sufficient depot/siding space in the London area for the ramp up of the 701/5 introduction to service, but we may still be a few months away from that yet?
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RTT showing that today's 458 drag to Bournemouth has still not been activated, probably going to be cancelled for some reason
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Drag? Thought they went under their own power.
It’s on its way, 8405 on its own. It’s also self powered, not a drag.
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Many thanks. Do you have an RTT link for it? I can't find one.
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It is this one but, as is often the case, it hasn't been activated so it doesn't show anything. I can see from OTT maps that 5X95 is behind 1B27 passing Worting
Realtime Trains | 5X95 1217 Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D | 26/06/2026
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It looks as though it is running without being activated. Not the first time for train. Passed Worting Junction at 1325. Can be followed on Traksy.
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Well it looks like we are down to 15 in passenger service and 13 in warm store.
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On Tuesday there is a 5X95 planned from Wimbledon to Eastleigh Arlington
I assume that this is a 458/4 storage move if Bournemouth can only store 13 units?
I assume that this is a 458/4 storage move if Bournemouth can only store 13 units?
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As I commented previously, my belief is that Bournemouth could hold approx 16, may be as many as 20 x 458/4 and Strawberry Hill possibly the remainder, anywhere from 5 to 10 x 458/4, BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT, and I deliberately emphasise the BUT, this assumes all the sidings unused by daily traffic diagrams are still (today) usable for storage purposes as they were in my time (over a decade ago), so suspect I am well out of date.
Many of the sidings I am thinking of (particularly at Strawberry Hill) will very likely be required for stabling incoming 701/5's prior to entry to service, and likewise Bournemouth depot to a lesser degree perhaps?
Eastleigh may well be a-another possible (secure) storage location for the outgoing 458/4's which makes much better sense to keep them completely out of the way of the SW's traffic depots.
Refer to my posts of several years ago (no longer accessible no doubt) about overall stabling capacity on the SW network, and the fact my comments back then were ridiculed by one or two on here, who seemed to think that 'it' (the stabling issues and 701 rollout) would (quote) 'just work out', as if these things just happen without a shed load of work by many dedicated people!
I rest my case.
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RTT now showing 458001 is the lucky unit to head to Eastleigh today.
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I think you mean 458401 although of course it was 8001 back in the day
12 of the remaining 14 458/4s are in service this morning with 2 pairs vice 701 on 2U05 & 2R05 etc which were both shown as 8v10 on journeycheck. The outstanding two units were last in service
458413 24.06.26
458428 25.06.26 (failed at Ascot on 2C54)
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thanks yes old habits do indeed die hard!I think you mean 458401 although of course it was 8001 back in the day
12 of the remaining 14 458/4s are in service this morning with 2 pairs vice 701 on 2U05 & 2R05 etc which were both shown as 8v10 on journeycheck. The outstanding two units were last in service
458413 24.06.26
458428 25.06.26 (failed at Ascot on 2C54)
And that’s half the 458/4 fleet now in storage. End of July still looking plausible for their disappearance from passenger service.
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458428 is now allocated vice 701 to this afternoons 2V41 replacing 458402 from this morning. If this works as allocated, then 13 of the remaining 14 will have seen service today which surely will be the last time that will happen?
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I was wrong, 458413 has replaced 458421 to partner 458424 this evening, so for the second consecutive day 13 of the remaining 14 have seen passenger service. 458414 is the only absentee.
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Just to let you know that U.458401 is actually having its roof painted in Eastleigh Works, what happens after they do that is anybodys guess!!
Indeed, it’s a warranty paint repair. It’s planned to move from Eastleigh to Bournemouth on 14th July.
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I was on 423+404 yesterday and today on the Weybridge route.
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Do the 458/4s run any services on Saturdays?
Three pairs out today on Weybridge / Reading cycles.