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41 min connection into European Sleeper

befated

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Hey all, long time lurker here! I have booked the below two trains for a group of four, departing on Thurs 2nd July:
17.04 London St Pancras - Bruxelles Midi 20.05
21.45 Bruxelles Midi - Berlin Hbf 09.01
(each leg booked separately and direct from Eurostar and European Sleeper respectively, with return journeys a week later but those aren’t relevant to this thread)

However, I have received an email from European Sleeper saying their train has now been retimed to leave Brussels at 20.46. Given Eurostar’s good punctuality record I’m still fairly ok chancing this, but wanted to know what viable backup options and rights we would have if the connection misses. In particular, the sleeper doesn’t leave Liege Guillemins until 22.41, so was wondering how reasonable it would be to try and use the later 20.56 domestic IC from Brussels (arr 21.59) or even a taxi to catch up to it (I have read that some sleeper operators will immediately invalidate a no-show and sell the beds to someone else!)

Any thoughts or suggestions appreciated!
 
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Djgr

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Hey all, long time lurker here! I have booked the below two trains for a group of four, departing on Thurs 2nd July:
17.04 London St Pancras - Bruxelles Midi 20.05
21.45 Bruxelles Midi - Berlin Hbf 09.01
(each leg booked separately and direct from Eurostar and European Sleeper respectively, with return journeys a week later but those aren’t relevant to this thread)

However, I have received an email from European Sleeper saying their train has now been retimed to leave Brussels at 20.46. Given Eurostar’s good punctuality record I’m still fairly ok chancing this, but wanted to know what viable backup options and rights we would have if the connection misses. In particular, the sleeper doesn’t leave Liege Guillemins until 22.41, so was wondering how reasonable it would be to try and use the later 20.56 domestic IC from Brussels (arr 21.59) or even a taxi to catch up to it (I have read that some sleeper operators will immediately invalidate a no-show and sell the beds to someone else!)

Any thoughts or suggestions appreciated!
Will the sleeper not also leave earlier from Liege?
 

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The SNCB site has a 2056 IC due Liege 2159, which is the normal schedule (and would be an option) so there don't appear to be engineering works in Belgium.

I would guess that there will be a fair number of connecting passengers, and that the ES might be held for a delayed Eurostar.
 

peteb

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If I recall correctly there's a bit of a bottle-neck getting from the Eurostar terminating platform to the lifts/stairs down to the interchange concourse at Bruxelles-Midi. So I'd advise getting yourselves to the front of the train if it's a Brussels terminator (Ignore if you're on a through Amsterdam service) to ensure your best chance of making the connection should Eurostar run a little late......
 

befated

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Well, this aged like milk; E* tickets cancelled as our booked carriage has broken AC, and everything else to Brussels today is booked solid. So, scrambling to make the 13.31 Paris they rebooked us onto, arr 16.49, and the sleeper leaves there at 17.05. So perhaps the thread needs renaming...
 

befated

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Well, the bad news is the Eurostar was 34 late in Paris... the good news is the sleeper was +37, so we made the connection, and you can believe I was singing the praises of the unreliability of ES!

Thanks all for your various comments!
 

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Well, the bad news is the Eurostar was 34 late in Paris... the good news is the sleeper was +37, so we made the connection, and you can believe I was singing the praises of the unreliability of ES!

Thanks all for your various comments!
So, you made it with just three minutes to spare?? The adrenaline must have been pumping running through the concourse at Gare du Nord.
 

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and you can believe I was singing the praises of the unreliability of ES!
I did similar when delayed on a EC from Poland to Berlin, but ES were themselves +60. Though they got to Dresden on time so the delay was almost certainly DB's fault (as always).
 

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So, you made it with just three minutes to spare?? The adrenaline must have been pumping running through the concourse at Gare du Nord.
OP had a 16 min connection on paper, with the delays this became a 19 min connection. Certainly scary but I'm not sure running would be strictly necessary.
 

citycat

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OP had a 16 min connection on paper, with the delays this became a 19 min connection. Certainly scary but I'm not sure running would be strictly necessary.
Aah, I think I misread it that they only had 3 minutes with the delayed arrival of the Eurostar and the delayed departure of the ES. Thanks.
 

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