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Major disruption around Rotterdam

rvdborgt

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Why would Eurostar be offering me a refund if only £140?
Maybe they're taking into account that you did travel to Rotterdam? How much money that should represent is debatable of course, since they don't have a fare for that.
If the train had been ‘just delayed’ I would have received a healthy fraction of the ticket cost back. But because it was cancelled I was clobbered with extra accommodation, subsistence, Dutch rail and Stena Hook-Holland costs. I have insurance, but have not yet started that claim or looked at the excess on it. Should Eurostar be coughing up?
Only bus/coach and train options are covered, according to the applicable EU regulation, plus accommodation if you get stranded overnight and meals/refreshments as appropriate if your delay is at least 1 hour.
If there were rail options to get to London the same day after stranding in Rotterdam (normally via Utrecht - 's-Hertogenbosch - Breda), then those should have been used... but if Eurostar didn't propose that, despite their obligation to do so, and rebooking was not possible, then you could argue that you had to organise something yourself. I'd start with claiming back all additional costs from Eurostar. You should however not ask to refund the original ticket, since then you opted not to travel, the original contract doesn't exist anymore, and Eurostar don't have any obligation anymore. If on the other hand they didn't propose all mandatory options, then you may have grounds to argue.
 
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I paid £194 for the Amsterdam to London 6:40 service on Monday but only reached Rotterdam before the service was cancelled. I had paid £138.50 for a for the Amsterdam to London leg for standard ticket when I first booked. Then, a fortnight before traveling, paid another £55.50 to amend the date and enhance the class of travel.

Why would Eurostar be offering me a refund if only £140?
Was some of that £55.50 a change fee? If so, you wouldn't get that back.
 

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Eurostar seem to be doing their best to make life as difficult as possible for passengers to/from the Netherlands. My wife is just back from a trip to Brussels and reported quite a number of fellow passengers on the way home who had in fact been to Amsterdam or Rotterdam, but had been forced to travel beyond Brussels at their own expense and making their own arrangements (there were plenty of trains available on alternative routes).

Perhaps it's understandable that Eurostar trains could not take an alternative route when there must have been considerable disruption and congestion in central NL after the fire, but there were plenty of alternative routes available to passengers. In the UK if an incident like this blocked the trains of one TOC there would be automatic ticket acceptance on other routes by other TOCs so it is very surprising that a large multi-national company like Eurostar can't be bothered to put similar backup arrangements in place in all the countries in which they operate.

Last night the was another stupid problem. The 20:57 from Brussels was waiting at the platform but had to depart 30 mins late because the doors to the platform from the waiting area were shut and nobody could open them. They called in a technician who also failed to open the doors and eventually routed everyone back down to the main station passageways and back up via the usual exit route - the route being lined by security staff to stop anyone escaping into the wild (or perhaps vice-versa). This is obviously something they could have done well before the scheduled departure time, but nobody thought of that.

Looking at Eurostar's own web pages, for the last 3 days there have been at least 3 trains from Brussels to London cancelled, and almost every one of the others was late into London, typically by half an hour. Of course, again unlike UK train operators, they don't pay compensation at all unless the arrival time is late by a whole hour or more, so few of these passengers will get any compensation. I think it is high time that another company was allowed to operate trains through the channel tunnel as it's clear that Eurostar know they have an effective monopoly and are exploiting it ruthlessly. They simply don't care about providing a satisfactory service.

We had been thinking about taking a short trip to France later in the year but now it will probably be by air or road as Eurostar simply cannot be trusted to provide a usable service.
 

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Looking at Eurostar's own web pages, for the last 3 days there have been at least 3 trains from Brussels to London cancelled, and almost every one of the others was late into London, typically by half an hour.

Quite a few London-Paris trains cancelled too.
 

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Eurostar seem to be doing their best to make life as difficult as possible for passengers to/from the Netherlands. My wife is just back from a trip to Brussels and reported quite a number of fellow passengers on the way home who had in fact been to Amsterdam or Rotterdam, but had been forced to travel beyond Brussels at their own expense and making their own arrangements (there were plenty of trains available on alternative routes).
Just curious: forced because Eurostar and NS provided incorrect information about passengers having to buy extra tickets (NS only removed that from their website yesterday), or did they just board the train and were charged on board?
 

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Estimation has again been shifted by a day, train services are now expected to be resumed Monday morning 5:00. This afternoon Murphy's law kicked in as the route via Utrecht - 's-Hertogenbosch was briefly closed as well due to a damaged bridge (could be due to a collection with an oversized truck), causing all intercity and international services to be suspended. Luckily the line could be reopened after an hour.
 

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NS electrification is at 1.5kV DC, so the currents required for normal operation are much higher than those at 25kV. A fault current of this sort probably isn't detectable amidst trains drawing power, especially if it's in a busy area like Rotterdam.

Thinking about this....

Wouldn't the current needed to provide sufficient Joule heating to start a fire scale by the same amount as the current needed to power a train?
Also given the much higher voltage drop at low voltages, wouldn't a given 1.5 kV feed generally cover a smaller area than at 25 kV so likely to be fewer trains drawing current from a given feed?
 

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Why wouldn't they be able to? I've seen reports of a blue Eurostar running a service to Paris via Utrecht so it's nothing technical preventing it.
I'm not sure what it was, maybe just stamps and signatures, but it was the single reason why Amsterdam-London was only running from/to Brussels until yesterday, when the first Eurostars Amsterdam-London were diverted via Utrecht.
 

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I'm travelling to Breda and was due to change at Rotterdam. As there are trains direct from Brussels Zuid to Breda I'm going to change there instead but the extra ticket cost is a bit of a blow.

Having said that at least I can reach my destination rather than Eurostar stranding me with no options or information.
 

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I'm travelling to Breda and was due to change at Rotterdam. As there are trains direct from Brussels Zuid to Breda I'm going to change there instead but the extra ticket cost is a bit of a blow.

Having said that at least I can reach my destination rather than Eurostar stranding me with no options or information.
You forgot to mention your travel date.
There's normally 1 direct train (EC) each hour from Brussels to Breda; Until Sunday there are 2 each hour (EC + ECD). Use the NS app for timetables.
I see the Eurostars from Paris are now also making an extra stop in Breda. You could always ask the staff whether you can board, if such a Eurostar is the next one to Breda.
You don't need to buy an extra ticket.
From Monday, the timetable should be back to normal again.
 
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You forgot to mention your travel date.
There's normally 1 direct train (EC) each hour from Brussels to Breda; Until Sunday there are 2 each hour (EC + ECD). Use the NS app for timetables.
I see the Eurostars from Paris are now also making an extra stop in Breda. You could always ask the staff whether you can board, if such a Eurostar is the next one to Breda.
You don't need to buy an extra ticket.
From Monday, the timetable should be back to normal again.
I'm travelling on the Eurostar from London today. On arrival at Brussels I will ask a staff member and see what they recommend.

Thanks for the information.
 

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I'm not sure what it was, maybe just stamps and signatures, but it was the single reason why Amsterdam-London was only running from/to Brussels until yesterday, when the first Eurostars Amsterdam-London were diverted via Utrecht.
However, the strange part is that I saw a report of a blue Eurostar via Utrecht before the day it was mentioned they are now allowed to run via that route. Apparently there's something different when the go under the Channel further down the route.
 

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I'm travelling on the Eurostar from London today. On arrival at Brussels I will ask a staff member and see what they recommend.
I wouldn't ask any questions for taking the EC or ECD. I'd only ask to take a Eurostar from Brussels.
 

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The completion date has now been put back to Tuesday.

I hope lessons are learnt from this sorry affair by all concerned.
 

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It took Eurostar until today, the 7th day of the disruption, to mention the extra stop in Utrecht of their trains Amsterdam-Brussels-Paris, plus the fact that you can use any NS train to travel between Rotterdam/Schiphol and Utrecht. For the London-Rotterdam, they're still incorrectly claiming you need to rebook another Eurostar, which would mean being stranded until Tuesday.
 

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