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Cost of operating steam vs diesel locomotives on heritage railways

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Given current high diesel prices, is it still cheaper to run a diesel locomotive than to run a steam locomotive? I suppose coal prices shot up a few years ago, though. Maybe the margin between steam and diesel is now narrower in terms of cost?
 
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Right now? They're getting closer pricing wise as the cost of red diesel has doubled in the last few weeks thanks to everything going on in the middle east
 

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Closer... but not that close

Rough figures for us are £1500 per day in coal vs £700 for diesel - that ignores any steaming / running fees
 

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Closer... but not that close

Rough figures for us are £1500 per day in coal vs £700 for diesel - that ignores any steaming / running fees
Thank you for those figures. I wonder how much the difference would be to compare say a Bulleid Pacific with an Austerity?
 

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Thank you for those figures. I wonder how much the difference would be to compare say a Bulleid Pacific with an Austerity?
Steaming fee can make up a large proportion of the cost so difference between the two may not be that large!
 

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An interesting article in Steam Railway 585 about the Vale of Rheidol Railway and its oil burner.

Regarding fuel costs of coal and diesel, I quote:
Having to burn lower grades of coal from other parts of the world increased the fire risk and increased the volume of coal (25% to 30% more) needed to fuel a train on a return journey to Devil's Bridge. With rising coal prices post-Covid, the costs increased. In early 2025, the cost per train on coal had risen to about £125 per train, and a comparative diesel cost for clean diesel (at £0.65/l) was £160 per train, although the figure is currently nearer £300 a train (£0.97/l).
 

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Given current temperatures, does primarily running diesel services save noticeable amounts of money compared to planning steam services and having short-notice substitutions due to fire risks?
 

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Given current temperatures, does primarily running diesel services save noticeable amounts of money compared to planning steam services and having short-notice substitutions due to fire risks?
I can't see that it particularly would. If the steam engine had already been lit up, then absolutely. Also things like paying staff to do fitness to runs, washouts and other maintenance, and marketing chaos. But otherwise, I don't think planning diesel in advance would be cheaper than changing to diesel last minute?

Appologies if I've missunderstood the question!
 

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I can't see that it particularly would. If the steam engine had already been lit up, then absolutely. Also things like paying staff to do fitness to runs, washouts and other maintenance, and marketing chaos. But otherwise, I don't think planning diesel in advance would be cheaper than changing to diesel last minute?

Appologies if I've missunderstood the question!
Diesels generally are cheaper to run but if steam engine already lit up could be marginal if steaming fee still has to be paid.
 

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Where does oil firing stand cost wise?

I saw an NYMR video about trailing some kind of bricks made from oil seed rape waste!
 

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What is a steaming fee please?
If the locomotive is owned by an individual company or group (for example Southern Locomotives Limited) then there will often be hire aggreements whereby the railway operating the engine will pay a fixed fee per day the loco is lit up (I believe usually in the range £500-£1000 per day). Additionally, if one line hires their engine to another line, there will also be a steaming fee for that in some cases. For example, 6989 Wightwick Hall when it originally came to the Bluebell. Hope that helps.
 

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