CR165022
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Not quite sure what the fault with 68025 is this morning but it's progressing very slowly out of Marylebone and is getting terminated at Wembley.
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Chiltern MK5s Starting 2026 (non speculative updates thread)
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There’s something here! (sorry for photo quality, has to use 10x zoom on my phone)
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Peter Sarf
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Thankyou for posting.
When did you get that shot ?.
Looks interesting.
Is that taken from inside the site ?.
alanc
Member
68019 out on 5q69/5q70/5q71 etc
First outing for a while?
HTH
First outing for a while?
HTH
A few hours ago. I’m at an event in the site.
Peter Sarf
Established Member
Ah, thanks, I confess I am jealous....
Enjoy the day.
37052 xb mr
Established Member
Does anyone know what loco
Is currently on CH13
Currently showing working 1J47
Thanks
Is currently on CH13
Currently showing working 1J47
Thanks
CR165022
Established Member
Unless it's been changed, it should be 68032 on CH13
37052 xb mr
Established Member
Thanks
trainmania100
Established Member
I'm not familiar with Chiltern but a brief lookup for 68s today shows nothing out, is this the case? I do note some missing Chiltern allocations today as of this morning.
Are 68s no longer frequent on Marylebone services now?
Are 68s no longer frequent on Marylebone services now?
Peter Mugridge
Veteran Member
It looks like the allocations simply aren't showing.
Can anyone in the Chiltern area provide Mk 1 eyeball for us please?
trainmania100
Established Member
Thanks wasn't sure if it was simply the heat or something. Can't see any 91s out either or if that's an unrelated issue.
Peter Mugridge
Veteran Member
91s on LNER have been pulled as the Mk 4 air conditioning isn't reliable enough. That's on the heat effects thread.
37052 xb mr
Established Member
Chiltern & LNER stood down
TFW still running 5 x 67s & MK4’s sets today
What are the LHCS stood down for?
I guess DRS are using 68's today on freight how are they performing?
Can't see any 3Q's out today for Chiltern, surely it would be sensible to use 2 x 68 and a MK5 set to see hot weather performance with a second 68 as insurance?
I guess DRS are using 68's today on freight how are they performing?
Can't see any 3Q's out today for Chiltern, surely it would be sensible to use 2 x 68 and a MK5 set to see hot weather performance with a second 68 as insurance?
37052 xb mr
Established Member
A lot of the whole rail network
Has mass cancellations till weekend
Because of the hot weather,
Speed restrictions etc
Units tend to cope better with the air conditioning than the loco hauled stock, its passenger comfort
Rather than loco performance
LittleRedTrain
Member
68 hauled sets also require a guard south of Banbury, units do not, so that gives a bit more flexibility if short-notice substitutions etc are required. Also gives the option of diversions via the Met line if the main line is shut (as I believe the 68s are not tripcock fitted).
168lover
Member
Potentially a set or two coming out this afternoon, just been past Wembley Depot on a very crowded 2 car 165 (why not increase the capacity of the trains you are running on a reduced timetable?) and saw two sets powered up by the depot exit.
37052 xb mr
Established Member
The regular 68 diagrams
Have been cancelled or replaced by units today, as there are 3 sets at Stourbridge already
I would be surprised if any worked
From London tonight
Unless it’s an out & back trip
Have been cancelled or replaced by units today, as there are 3 sets at Stourbridge already
I would be surprised if any worked
From London tonight
Unless it’s an out & back trip
Because of the predicted heat.
Because NR 'invited' operators to reduce their service levels, due to said predicted heat.
'Less services on the network = better resilience'
Lack of LHCS = 2 birds, one stone.
The LHCS (or rather thier HVAC) cannot adequately support the 'extreme heat events'. This has been proven in the previous 4 to 6 weeks.
As for the lack of 3Q paths, file that under the reduction of train service category.
Running a second loco on the formation doesn't change the capability of the HVAC unit(s).
It's not generally the locos which have been letting the side down.
Jacob Porrett
Established Member
Aren't the 3Q paths for testing purposes which means they only run on a run as required basis?
Only driver training now.
There's no testing required with these sets now, other than the odd system update for future operations.
I could understand older rolling stock having aircon that can't cope with this weather, but surely modern rolling stock such as the Mark 5a should have something decent? Especially as they were built in Spain where these kinds of temperatures aren't as exceptional.
37052 xb mr
Established Member
They had some aircon issues with TPE previously.
Not sure re Mk5s,
But the MK4’s are only advised to
28 degrees outside temp.
*not an answer*
Could it have been spec'd all those years ago (must be nearing a decade) to a suitable temperature window in use at the time.
Must remember such things could be written into the design?
Where they are made could be entirely coincidental.
Kite159
Veteran Member
Certainly on the loco hauled set on Sunday, the (declassified) first class coach was quite warm. I guess more down to the poor design of the bottom of the window AC vents being blocked by the tables. The 168 in comparison was cold
How did you hear it was declassified? That’ll make it much busier.
Kite159
Veteran Member
Chiltern Journey Check had it listed as full & standing from Marylebone with First Class declassified, by the time it reached Leamington Spa the front coach at least was half full when I boarded.
That's a positive step.
Many onboard / stationborne/ departure board information though?
One assumes declassification, once enacted, is not reversed en route (for example if 75% of the passengers bailed at Bicester, for example.
Kite159
Veteran Member
Nothing mentioned it at Leamington Spa itself, the screens were still suggesting that upgrades were available (seemingly does that for all the 68 hauled sets). No sign of the guard (they hid away in the staff area at the front of the coach, only popping out to do the doors at the various stations). The general rule is once a train has been formally declassified it can't be reversed if the train empties out