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I was on the Preston to London Lumo service on Friday. I noticed the seat reservation displays were all saying not reserved. Are they usually like this on the 222s?
 
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route101 said:
I was on the Preston to London Lumo service on Friday. I noticed the seat reservation displays were all saying not reserved. Are they usually like this on the 222s?
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They were and are unreliable with EMR and can't imagine they have been upgraded by Lumo,
 
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They were and are unreliable with EMR and can't imagine they have been upgraded by Lumo,
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Russel said:
They only became unreliable when EMR/Hitachi started running them down...
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Part of it is the signal for downloading the following service especally around London. With the transfer to 810's there are now no reservasions on 222's just incaste the two classes get swapped in the day for example.
 
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Not quite sure how you can run down a seat reservation system......
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43055 said:
Part of it is the signal for downloading the following service especally around London. With the transfer to 810's there are now no reservasions on 222's just incaste the two classes get swapped in the day for example.
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My bad, I read the post wrong, I thought it was about general unreliability of the units themselves!
 
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43055 said:
Part of it is the signal for downloading the following service especally around London. With the transfer to 810's there are now no reservasions on 222's just incaste the two classes get swapped in the day for example.
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Reservation indicators on the 222 worked well for years, their failure to work started before the 810s were introduced. Just happened to coincide with Hitachi taking over.
Same coincidence happened with the 222 lavatory situation; soap dispensers and water used to always work, now it's a rarity; also vestibule door push buttons similarly.
Might just be DfT instruction to cut down on maintenance expenditure.
 
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Merle Haggard said:
Reservation indicators on the 222 worked well for years, their failure to work started before the 810s were introduced. Just happened to coincide with Hitachi taking over.
Same coincidence happened with the 222 lavatory situation; soap dispensers and water used to always work, now it's a rarity; also vestibule door push buttons similarly.
Might just be DfT instruction to cut down on maintenance expenditure.
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They never worked properly on the Voyagers and they're exactly the same displays...

Main problem is that when a Voyager vehicle goes into low power mode they are turned off. 222 software may be different in this regard though so do they fail less often?
 
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They never worked properly on the Voyagers and they're exactly the same displays...
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It's been a very long time since I can recall any issues with Voyager reservation displays. In fact I find Hitachi's products far more temperamental than the 22x family these days! So I do reckon if there's an issue with them it's something related to maintenance rather than an inherent flaw.
 
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Merle Haggard said:
Reservation indicators on the 222 worked well for years, their failure to work started before the 810s were introduced. Just happened to coincide with Hitachi taking over.
Same coincidence happened with the 222 lavatory situation; soap dispensers and water used to always work, now it's a rarity; also vestibule door push buttons similarly.
Might just be DfT instruction to cut down on maintenance expenditure.
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They've always been rubbish. They rely on a phone signal to work and it's decidedly hit and miss at platform level at Sheffield, Nottingham and St Pancras with the canopies. Same as the WiFi has been rubbish since it was brought in.

The push buttons for the doors were killed by COVID cleaning, constantly being sprayed all day long did them no good.
 
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Hopefully Lumo gets it fixed or its like some places in Europe, where they don't mark reserved seats and you cant move without worrying you are in a reserved seat.
 
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They've always been rubbish. They rely on a phone signal to work and it's decidedly hit and miss at platform level at Sheffield, Nottingham and St Pancras with the canopies. Same as the WiFi has been rubbish since it was brought in.

The push buttons for the doors were killed by COVID cleaning, constantly being sprayed all day long did them no good.
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Thanks for the info'. I always travel without a reservation (sometimes have a few about getting on an 810 though :) ) but joining at a calling point, so generally my experience was that they were working.
Same problem inflicts XC 22x at New Street if it starts there.

Interesting explanation of the door buttons, hadn't realised that.

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Bletchleyite said:
They never worked properly on the Voyagers and they're exactly the same displays...

Main problem is that when a Voyager vehicle goes into low power mode they are turned off. 222 software may be different in this regard though so do they fail less often?
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Veering off topic I know, but I travelled in a Pendo coach K on Saturday and the reservation lights cycles around green- orange- red. Particularly interesting on the single seal side as BOTH lights lit up. Never seen that before...
 
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Merle Haggard said:
Veering off topic I know, but I travelled in a Pendo coach K on Saturday and the reservation lights cycles around green- orange- red. Particularly interesting on the single seal side as BOTH lights lit up. Never seen that before...
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The 80x can do that too, it's a test mode, presumably some sort of failure resulted in that activating by mistake.
 
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Realtime Trains | 7Q22 0740 Derby Litchurch Lane to Widnes Transport Tech | 19/06/2026

Real-time train running information for 7Q22 0740 departure from Derby Litchurch Lane to Widnes Transport Tech on 19/06/2026. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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222005 being dragged by 43423/43467
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222005 has also been reformed to 6 cars in Litchurch too

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Is this another 222 completed by Widnes now? https://live.rail-record.co.uk/train.php/?c=83582&d=2026-06-19
 
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