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Cemetery buses - is Merseytravel 129 the last survivor?

JGurney

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I had a ride on Merseytravel bus 129 yesterday, which led me to wonder whether it is the last of its kind.

The 129 runs once every Sunday afternoon, linking Liscard, Wallasey and various other suburban districts of The Wirral to Frankby Cemetery (formerly called 'Wallasey Metropolitan Cemetery'), which was established in the late 1930's due to a shortage of space in existing cemeteries and churchyards in the area. Because the new cemetery was beyond walking distance from most of Wallasey, the bus service was provided to enable relatives of the interred to visit graves.

I gather that similar new cemeteries in other places gave rise to similar bus services but I have not come upon any others still in operation, so I wonder whether the 129 is a unique survival?

When I used it yesterday, I was responsible for 60% of the loading. I made a return journey, along with one other return passenger, an elderly man who was clearly familiar with the regular driver and who visited the cemetery. There was one other one-way passenger, from Liscard to Leastowe, but she was only there because she had just missed the half-hourly Arriva 423 to Leastowe and got on the 129 when I told her it also went there. So without me and the casual third passenger I prompted, there was only one apparently regular user, which gives a dismal prospect for the route's survival.

The only other cemetery-related bus route I know of is the unnumbered internal one in St Pancras Cemetery in London. That is of a quite different kind, being a free minibus service which runs around the cemetery's internal driveways at weekends, never exiting onto public roads.
 
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I'm going to assume that Southern Cemetery Bus Station in South Manchester wouldn't count...?

The 111 to Southern Cemetery via Yew Tree Road might though?
 

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In a past life, decades ago we did a survey to see how many people used the then numbered 29 bus on its one round trip per week to Frankby Cemetery.

Somewhat disconcertingly the bus took three passengers to the cemetery and only two returned…!
 

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In a past life, decades ago we did a survey to see how many people used the then numbered 29 bus on its one round trip per week to Frankby Cemetery.

Somewhat disconcertingly the bus took three passengers to the cemetery and only two returned…!
So passenger numbers decades ago were exactly the same as yesterday (albeit it seems the one-way passenger went all the way that time, not just to Leastowe). I am surprised it has lasted this long
 

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So passenger numbers decades ago were exactly the same as yesterday (albeit it seems the one-way passenger went all the way that time, not just to Leastowe). I am surprised it has lasted this long
Is it a condition of operation of the cemetery? Even if not, stopping it is a guarantee of the worst possible publicity imaginable (grieving relatives “unable” to visit grave etc - no matter what the truth actually is)
 

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Is it a condition of operation of the cemetery? Even if not, stopping it is a guarantee of the worst possible publicity imaginable (grieving relatives “unable” to visit grave etc - no matter what the truth actually is)
I believe it might be.

Certainly Frankby Cemetery was originally built for the people of Wallasey, although it was outside the old (pre-74) Borough.
 

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I'm going to assume that Southern Cemetery Bus Station in South Manchester wouldn't count...?

The 111 to Southern Cemetery via Yew Tree Road might though?
Interesting! Thanks. Not being familiar with the Manchester area I had never heard of Southern Cemetery Bus Station before.

From a brief search I gather it began because a line of the original Manchester tram system terminated at the cemetery gates and a number of feeder bus routes radiated from the tram terminus. That led to the bus station being built, and it remained in use as a suburban bus hub after the tram system was closed. It looks as if it was mainly an interchange located outside the cemetery rather than being mainly to serve the cemetery itself as a destination.

The modern 111 is a high-frequency service linking the bus station to central Manchester via several residential districts. I suspect it's main traffic is into the city rather than cemetery visitors.
 

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In a past life, decades ago we did a survey to see how many people used the then numbered 29 bus on its one round trip per week to Frankby Cemetery.

Somewhat disconcertingly the bus took three passengers to the cemetery and only two returned…!
I don't know what the timetable was back then. But looking at the current one, you've got 35 minutes to alight the bus, go to the cemetery, and then get back to the bus for the return journey. Which doesn't feel very long. Five minutes to the grave, five back, 25 minutes to do whatever it is people do at graves. Feels like there's scope there for people to get left behind.

(My family have always gone for cremations, and never done the whole cemetery visit thing, so I have to admit to not knowing if 25 minutes is too long, too short or just right.)
 

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I don't know what the timetable was back then. But looking at the current one, you've got 35 minutes to alight the bus, go to the cemetery, and then get back to the bus for the return journey. Which doesn't feel very long. Five minutes to the grave, five back, 25 minutes to do whatever it is people do at graves. Feels like there's scope there for people to get left behind.

(My family have always gone for cremations, and never done the whole cemetery visit thing, so I have to admit to not knowing if 25 minutes is too long, too short or just right.)

It was still the one journey a week timetable back then, i've long said the 129 needs withdrawing, i rarely see passengers on it when it goes past me, i live around halfway down the route.

Although you have to change, there are more frequent buses Liscard-Frankby Cemetery (that follow most of the 129 route) rest of the week including Sundays, 413/414 (423 Evening & Sundays) Liscard-Upton, then 437 Upton-Frankby Cemetery.
 

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I don't know what the timetable was back then. But looking at the current one, you've got 35 minutes to alight the bus, go to the cemetery, and then get back to the bus for the return journey. Which doesn't feel very long. Five minutes to the grave, five back, 25 minutes to do whatever it is people do at graves. Feels like there's scope there for people to get left behind
Sounds even more like a “service” run to fulfil an obligation which failed to specify the actual usefulness of that service.
 

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I had a ride on Merseytravel bus 129 yesterday, which led me to wonder whether it is the last of its kind.

The 129 runs once every Sunday afternoon, linking Liscard, Wallasey and various other suburban districts of The Wirral to Frankby Cemetery (formerly called 'Wallasey Metropolitan Cemetery'), which was established in the late 1930's due to a shortage of space in existing cemeteries and churchyards in the area. Because the new cemetery was beyond walking distance from most of Wallasey, the bus service was provided to enable relatives of the interred to visit graves.

I gather that similar new cemeteries in other places gave rise to similar bus services but I have not come upon any others still in operation, so I wonder whether the 129 is a unique survival?

When I used it yesterday, I was responsible for 60% of the loading. I made a return journey, along with one other return passenger, an elderly man who was clearly familiar with the regular driver and who visited the cemetery. There was one other one-way passenger, from Liscard to Leastowe, but she was only there because she had just missed the half-hourly Arriva 423 to Leastowe and got on the 129 when I told her it also went there. So without me and the casual third passenger I prompted, there was only one apparently regular user, which gives a dismal prospect for the route's survival.

The only other cemetery-related bus route I know of is the unnumbered internal one in St Pancras Cemetery in London. That is of a quite different kind, being a free minibus service which runs around the cemetery's internal driveways at weekends, never exiting onto public roads.
Leasowe not Leastowe for refrence

And I believe come september when franchiding starts the 129 wont exist

Until Halton Transport went bust a few years ago there was a sunday only 801 that went to a cemetary in Liverpool think Springbank from memory

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Leasowe not Leastowe for refrence

And I believe come september when franchiding starts the 129 wont exist

Until Halton Transport went bust a few years ago there was a sunday only 801 that went to a cemetary in Liverpool think Springbank from memory
Also the service dates back to Wallasey Corperation days when it was provided for the People of Wallasey to get to the Wallasey owned cemetary in Frankby which would have been Birkenhead Corperations teritory at a guess
 

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Also the service dates back to Wallasey Corperation days when it was provided for the People of Wallasey to get to the Wallasey owned cemetary in Frankby which would have been Birkenhead Corperations teritory at a guess
Pretty certain it would have been Hoylake Urban District
 

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Wasn’t it mentioned in a recent tread that the 129 may not survive Merseyside bus franchising? I’ve been thinking of taking a trip just for the experience. Halloween 2027 falls on a Sunday, which seems like an appropriate day to travel, so I hope that it lasts until at least then.
 

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Wasn’t it mentioned in a recent tread that the 129 may not survive Merseyside bus franchising? I’ve been thinking of taking a trip just for the experience. Halloween 2027 falls on a Sunday, which seems like an appropriate day to travel, so I hope that it lasts until at least then.
Not sure how tasteful that idea is.
 

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Bus route 12 in Bath runs to Haycombe Cemetery, but that is essentially just because there is a turning loop there, rather than because it is a dedicated bus to the cemetery.
 

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Bus route 12 in Bath runs to Haycombe Cemetery, but that is essentially just because there is a turning loop there, rather than because it is a dedicated bus to the cemetery.
Suspect the reason for the bus turning circle having been put there may well be the cemetery and crematorium though, as the route up to it is a very short "stub" from the much busier Mount Road.
 

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In a past life, decades ago we did a survey to see how many people used the then numbered 29 bus on its one round trip per week to Frankby Cemetery.

Somewhat disconcertingly the bus took three passengers to the cemetery and only two returned…!
More disconcerting if two went and three returned.
 

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Not sure if this counts but South Pennine’s M92 between Hillsborough & Harley calls in at a bus stop within the grounds of Grenoside Crematorium in both directions
 

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I had a ride on Merseytravel bus 129 yesterday, which led me to wonder whether it is the last of its kind.

The 129 runs once every Sunday afternoon, linking Liscard, Wallasey and various other suburban districts of The Wirral to Frankby Cemetery (formerly called 'Wallasey Metropolitan Cemetery'), which was established in the late 1930's due to a shortage of space in existing cemeteries and churchyards in the area. Because the new cemetery was beyond walking distance from most of Wallasey, the bus service was provided to enable relatives of the interred to visit graves.

I gather that similar new cemeteries in other places gave rise to similar bus services but I have not come upon any others still in operation, so I wonder whether the 129 is a unique survival?

When I used it yesterday, I was responsible for 60% of the loading. I made a return journey, along with one other return passenger, an elderly man who was clearly familiar with the regular driver and who visited the cemetery. There was one other one-way passenger, from Liscard to Leastowe, but she was only there because she had just missed the half-hourly Arriva 423 to Leastowe and got on the 129 when I told her it also went there. So without me and the casual third passenger I prompted, there was only one apparently regular user, which gives a dismal prospect for the route's survival.

The only other cemetery-related bus route I know of is the unnumbered internal one in St Pancras Cemetery in London. That is of a quite different kind, being a free minibus service which runs around the cemetery's internal driveways at weekends, never exiting onto public roads.
No t in Leasowe
 

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Interesting! Thanks. Not being familiar with the Manchester area I had never heard of Southern Cemetery Bus Station before.

From a brief search I gather it began because a line of the original Manchester tram system terminated at the cemetery gates and a number of feeder bus routes radiated from the tram terminus. That led to the bus station being built, and it remained in use as a suburban bus hub after the tram system was closed. It looks as if it was mainly an interchange located outside the cemetery rather than being mainly to serve the cemetery itself as a destination.

The modern 111 is a high-frequency service linking the bus station to central Manchester via several residential districts. I suspect it's main traffic is into the city rather than cemetery visitors.
Southen Cemetery gates are on Barlow Moor Road and were first served by trams shortly before WW1. The route was then extended to form a circular service via West Didsbury. Manchester Corporation acquired the Wythenshawe area of North Cheshire in the early 1920s for a large new housing estate, and designed a new tramway via Princess Road to serve it. Unfortunately, there was a volte face when a new transport manager was appointed in 1929, and the new tramway was curtailed at Barlow Moor Road, where passengers had to change to a bus until just after WW2 for onward travel to Wythenshawe. This tram terminus was named Southern Cemetery, although it is about 1 km from the main cemetery entrance.

In 1946, the tramways in this part of Manchester were abandoned, but the crossroads at the junction of Barlow Moor Road and Princess Road, remained a major bus terminus and transport interchange for many years, and even the limited stop buses to Wythenshawe called there. It is now just the terminus of routes 111 and 172 and only a few other routes (23, 87, 101/103) now serve it. The best way to get to the cemetery is now by tram to the Barlow Moor Road stop, at the junction of Hardy Lane, as the new tramway to Wythenshawe and the Airport takes a different route altogether from that envisaged in the 1920s.
 
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When the 247 was extended from Flixton to Partington and Altrincham in September 1985, there was a journey which ran on the first Sunday of the month from Altrincham Interchange to the town's crematorium at Sinderland, departing 1425 and returning at 1525. This was inherited from the previous Altrincham - Sinderland 283, and surprisingly continued after deregulation, until it seems the the general Sunday service level was improved enough to render it redundant.

Southen Cemetery gates are on Barlow Moor Road and were first served by trams shortly before WW1. The route was then extended to form a circular service via West Didsbury. Manchester Corporation acquired the Wythenshawe area of North Cheshire in the early 1920s for a large new housing estate, and designed a new tramway via Princess Road to serve it. Unfortunately, there was a volte face when a new transport manager was appointed in 1929, and the new tramway was curtailed at Barlow Moor Road, where passengers had to change to a bus until just after WW2 for onward travel to Wythenshawe. This tram terminus was named Southern Cemetery, although it is about 1 km from the main cemetery entrance.

In 1946, the tramways in this part of Manchester were abandoned, but the crossroads at the junction of Barlow Moor Road and Princess Road, remained a major bus terminus and transport interchange for many years, and even the limited stop buses to Wythenshawe called there. It is now just the terminus of routes 111 and 172 and only a few other routes (23, 87, 101/103) now serve it. The best way to get to the cemetery is now by tram to the Barlow Moor Road stop, at the junction of Hardy Lane, as the new tramway to Wythenshawe and the Airport takes a different route altogether from that envisaged in the 1920s.

One notable feature of Southern Cemetery interchange is the canteen, which stands in the centre of the dual carriageway section of Princess Road. I'm not sure what its current usage is, but it was a crucial feature when the various services from Manchester to Wythenshawe operated by Northenden garage normally had their mealbreaks there. With no walking time to the relief stop in either direction, and most of the services running on 30 minute headways, it was possible to schedule a 30 minute mealbreak by dropping onto the next bus behind on the service, which the Trade Union were happy to accept (unlike any other garage locally where a dead 30 minute break would have not been acceptable).

Ironically, despite having commuted past it, scheduled buses past it, taken mealbreaks there as a conductor and later driven buses past it for both Bee Line Buzz Company and UK North, I've only ever actually been in the cemetery once, for the funeral of a colleague back in the mid 1980s.
 

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Speaking of Southern Cemetery, i remember driver changes on the Airport Express 757 taking place there, rather than at Princess Road.

I see the canteen is still there but been heavily graffitied, now under Metroline control.
 

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Going off on a tangent if l may, London Country many years ago used to operate Sunday only services to Chevening Church on route 413, operated by an RT(route 454)and RF based at Dunton Green garage. The vicar had to make sure his sermon didn't overrun so parishioners made the bus home!
 

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I had a ride on Merseytravel bus 129 yesterday, which led me to wonder whether it is the last of its kind.

The 129 runs once every Sunday afternoon, linking Liscard, Wallasey and various other suburban districts of The Wirral to Frankby Cemetery (formerly called 'Wallasey Metropolitan Cemetery'), which was established in the late 1930's due to a shortage of space in existing cemeteries and churchyards in the area. Because the new cemetery was beyond walking distance from most of Wallasey, the bus service was provided to enable relatives of the interred to visit graves.

I gather that similar new cemeteries in other places gave rise to similar bus services but I have not come upon any others still in operation, so I wonder whether the 129 is a unique survival?

When I used it yesterday, I was responsible for 60% of the loading. I made a return journey, along with one other return passenger, an elderly man who was clearly familiar with the regular driver and who visited the cemetery. There was one other one-way passenger, from Liscard to Leastowe, but she was only there because she had just missed the half-hourly Arriva 423 to Leastowe and got on the 129 when I told her it also went there. So without me and the casual third passenger I prompted, there was only one apparently regular user, which gives a dismal prospect for the route's survival.

The only other cemetery-related bus route I know of is the unnumbered internal one in St Pancras Cemetery in London. That is of a quite different kind, being a free minibus service which runs around the cemetery's internal driveways at weekends, never exiting onto public roads.
Bit of a cheat but the only time I have been on a cemetery bus service was on the running day when the 140 was no longer going to run to Heathrow in 2019
It was poignant because a good friend of mine is buried there so I actually used the service bus for its intended purpose
They also had an RT on that day on the same running number that it had carried on the last day of RT service 40 ( or what ever ) years before which was a nice touch


 

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