I am not sure even Varamis know the answer to that one.
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Fully agree with you there they should just be shunted into the middle of kingmoor , not a great look in front of the travelling public
pokemonsuper9
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The path is in but it didn't run.
Varamis's Paths are still all there, but haven't seen a train for a while.
Agree with what you say, but who is going to organise, carry out and pay for the required shunt ? Unfortuneatly everything has a cost and nobody is going to pay for something that they are not responsible for.
themiller
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If taken to Kingmoor, they’d have to move it again to get it to an electrified line each time they wanted to charge the batteries/ charge the air accumulators etc incurring more charges. Probably better to leave it on the back road in the station unless the siding’s suddenly needed for something else.
Trainz6013
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I'll take an off-peak return to Mossend Down Yard please
Ashford Steam Centre is one that comes to mind, although that was BR not NR. Stuff even got scrapped to pay debts, notably the 4DD centre coach.
I might be wrong in saying this, but I understand that sidings and yards leased to an operator from NR (Kingmoor Yard for instance) are treated as the opeartor's property and they usually raise a charge for anyone else to use their sidings, but the same does not apply to Network Rail owned sidings. As far as I know, they do not raise a charge as their use is regarded as part of the access agreement. So these units are dumped in an NR siding and probably not being charged, but what happens if the owning company folds - time will tell !
pokemonsuper9
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My guess is either they become the problem of whoever buys them as part of assets being sold off, or they just get left there for a while until someone decides whose problem it is.
aaronspence
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What are the sidings usually used for? Maybe it’s not really an urgent problem
You obviously haven't seen the state of it, filthy and covered in graffiti, looks like a youth art installation
That rearmost siding’s hardly been used since the DRS 57 Thunderbird contract finished.
The rest mostly host the various test trains plus occasional Avanti, TPE & charter stock particularly during disruption.
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Freightmaster
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That's no way to talk about Carlisle station!
Revival for Varamis from the December 2026 timetable change maybe ? They seem to have new Mossend - Warrington and Mossend - Daventry paths in the WTT from December 2026.
Although I may be mistaken but IIRC these used to be DB operated mail runs before Royal mail pulled out of rail transport.
live.rail-record.co.uk
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Although I may be mistaken but IIRC these used to be DB operated mail runs before Royal mail pulled out of rail transport.
Train 1M37 Mossend Down Yard to Warrington Royal Mail(Dbs) Mon 04/01/2027 | Rail Record
Live Train Times for Train 1M37 Mossend Down Yard to Warrington Royal Mail(Dbs) departing on Mon 04/01/2027 | Rail Record
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Train 1M45 Mossend Down Yard to Daventry Int Rft Recep Rfd Mon 04/01/2027 | Rail Record
Live Train Times for Train 1M45 Mossend Down Yard to Daventry Int Rft Recep Rfd departing on Mon 04/01/2027 | Rail Record
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Gisby certainly seems committed to it!
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Royston Vasey
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Whatever one thinks of the company and its founder, Robin Gisby is a fantastic addition to the board, now Chairman which is news to me, a really good guy by all accounts and a proper railwayman. I wish him well
Dr Hoo
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Robin Gisby ‘cut his teeth’ with the niche Charterail freight business in 1989-1992.
Seemed a pretty good idea at the time but ultimately can’t have made money given its very short life .
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Dr Hoo
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I didn’t like to mention that!
CR165022
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Will there be some 321s on the move tomorrow? I've noticed a few services, ran by Hanson & Hall, pathed as 321s for tomorrow, going from Wembley to Northampton, then Birmingham and back.
Strange that they're Hanson & Hall run and not Varamis run.
ExRes
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I doubt that Varamis have any drivers to do these trips in the event they run, it would need a third party like Hanson & Hall to operate them, I just hope H&H and Network Rail have demanded cash upfront
Trainbike46
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Does Varamis still employ drivers? I would assume they would all have found other jobs in the time without services, and if so they can't really run services themselves.