cj_1985
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I would argue that Hull was well served...Nobody can argue that Hull was well served or cared for by BR or GNER. They may be the minority of OA, but Hull Trains actively built a business and a brand around this - are very well established and also added a lot of London journeys which were underserved on the mainline.
I would hate for these to all be absorbed and then we will eventually lose them, GC, Lincoln etc to 5tph Leeds, 5tph Edinburgh - or similar. Being somewhat glib.
But the ECML was massively underserved by BR overall, frequency-wise. Some hours, just 3-4 trains.
Elsewhere I think the value has been proven less. Virgin saturated the WCML and that is now the benchmark - maybe being eroded towards a 2tph future for Brum/Manc (back to 1 for Liv?) - they built Chester out. And now it's basically full. Could frequency changes be so that an extra Edinburgh could be added (now but also for a future HS2 slot?)
GWML is also a good service, but a solid 2tph service to at least Exeter / Newton Abbot would probably cover demand.
Now I admit, my memory is far from perfect, but IIRC Hull was served by a handful of services by GNER (and i certainly do NOT mean the number run by LNER today. HT was established and proved demand for further services... helped HT move from borrowed 170s, to their own leased 170s, then to their own 125mph capable stock... the 222/1s. Before the move to the 5 carriage 180s to provide even more capacity... and then today... brand new bi mode stock (following the rejection of a finance/funding package agreement to get the line to Hull electrified. GNER, and the subsequent franchise operators) only expanded their offerings to the city once HT established that there was a demand.
I'd hazard a guess it's the same for services going to Sunderland... no matter my opinion of the GC operation, you wouldn't have LNER offering services there now if not for GC proving a need.
For LNER to go in the press, as they have done in the last 2 years, to claim the amount of money they have lost (since the time of GNER) because of OAO... is ridiculous. They, as a branch of the DfT want a monopoly... look at thwir ticket pricing on the EC franchise. If there were no other options to Hull, Sunderland and Edinburgh... they would have free reign to gouge the very passengers they are meant to be providing a service to.