Companies That You Expect to Disappear Soon

I take more stuff to the tip than charity shops these days too, and I don't even bother with Facebook marketplace as it's a huge drain on my time and sanity (messages at 2am suggesting they desperately need the item, then offering an insulting sum or just disappearing, plus all those who don't read or can't read the description and think I'm selling something I'm not).

My son has some success on Vinted but it's a lot of hassle for what's usually not large sums of money. I bet everyone starts out with some big items that go for a decent amount and suddenly everyone thinks they have a new side hustle. They (almost certainly) don't!

Nevertheless, Vinted is probably safe for now (to keep on topic).

Peter Sarf said:

Lets face it a wall covered by a large screen TV is more likely nowadays than a display cabinet containing ones best china etc.

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Lets fact it, in many rental properties, the dining room has been converted into an extra bedroom so that the landlord can maximise rental income.

Harpo said:

Yep. Signs either stating no donations or ‘we are only accepting x’.

The income Cancer Research gets from my donations has dwindled from a couple of hundred quids worth a year (according to the annual statements they send me) to nothing as a result.

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It's worse than. It's

"We accept a but not b. We accept c but only 4 at a time. We accept d but only when there is an r in the month..."

eyebrook1961 said:

With most charity shops now using t'internet to value items before putting them out for sale, there are no longer many of the "bargains" that you could often come across - to be honest I would rather sit in the comfort of my own home and buy stuff that interests me in particular and have it delivered to my home off one of the internet auction sites. I do donate to a charity of my choice but no longer go into such shops wherever we go because there's no enjoyment now looking through stuff in anticipation that you might find something really exciting.

Some years ago my brother managed one of the three branches that we had in the town for one locally based charity, his branch dealt with records, cassettes, cd's, vidoes, dvd's and all associated items (record players, cd players etc) - this being at a time when there was still a thriving market for such things (unlike nowadays where there's a market stall selling dvd's now at 10p a time). He would tell me that this charity were so awash with donations that there was a luton van run to the local tip each week loaded with all the excess, and that included stuff that had only just been donated but they "hadn't the time" to go through it at that particular moment

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When I’m at the shops at the weekend i often pop into a charity shop and choose a DVD or 2.
They sell 5 for a £1, as an evening film to watch.
Then donate the DVDs back or just bin them.
You can end up watching some duff films that you pick up on the off chance but plenty of good ones available.

This is way cheaper than a Netflix subscription, which many of my associates seem happy to pay
Clearly the cost of living crisis is not so much of a crisis for some people at least

Peter Sarf said:

I wonder how important a cutlery set, plates and cookware are to a generation that relies more and more on cooked food delivered. I know of a family that sit at the TV eating their Pizza straight from the box, holding the crust. They do not even need a table and dining chairs !.

I wonder what that is doing to the viability of manufacturers of the aforementioned household items

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I have always been amazed at the viability of the cutlery trade - given its durability and relative immunity to fashion trends.

The exile said:

I have always been amazed at the viability of the cutlery trade - given its durability and relative immunity to fashion trends.

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I'm not. It's something we put in our mouths, so there's always going to be a prejudice against second hand unless (rarely) it's good enough to be regarded as an antique. Meanwhile, metal is infinitely recyclable so the pressure to reuse is less.

35B said:

I'm not. It's something we put in our mouths, so there's always going to be a prejudice against second hand

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Yes. Yet bizarrely don’t give it a second thought when we eat out.

35B said:

I'm not. It's something we put in our mouths, so there's always going to be a prejudice against second hand unless (rarely) it's good enough to be regarded as an antique. Meanwhile, metal is infinitely recyclable so the pressure to reuse is less.

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Funny. That would never cross my mind!
I’m sure true for some people though

jon0844 said:

I am not sure future generations are going to think of buying something second hand from a charity shop that might or might not have a little damage (but still be usable, or repairable) as they're more used to ordering something from Temu that's 'brand new' (even if it falls to bits in no time).

We are seeing more pushes, especially from the EU, to make products more repairable and extend product lives - and because of increasing prices people are now keeping things like smartphones or laptops for longer - but I do think a lot of people today have no desire to go to a charity shop and many may have NEVER been to one.

Some of the more aggressive charities when it comes to fund raising (the ones that will gladly knock on your door or guilt-trip people into giving large donations on a regular direct debit, with calls within weeks to up the payments and guilt-trip you even more) might have also resulted in people actively boycotting some charities entirely.

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I don't think this is the case at all, the successful charity shops are pivoting to the kind of second hand clothes that younger kids will buy.

We've had a couple of charity shops (although you wouldn't know they were charity shops unless you were really looking) who have opened vintage clothing shops locally. They have some really good deals and both my teenage daughters have bought from them.

35B said:

I'm not. It's something we put in our mouths, so there's always going to be a prejudice against second hand unless (rarely) it's good enough to be regarded as an antique. Meanwhile, metal is infinitely recyclable so the pressure to reuse is less.

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Clothes wear out, china and glass breaks, kitchen knives get blunt (I know they can be sharpened), but other than the occasional disappearing teaspoon, what the heck happens to cutlery? I suppose the catering trade has a much larger turnover.

The exile said:

what the heck happens to cutlery?

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Under my kids’ beds with all the crockery when they were teenagers

The exile said:

Clothes wear out, china and glass breaks, kitchen knives get blunt (I know they can be sharpened), but other than the occasional disappearing teaspoon, what the heck happens to cutlery? I suppose the catering trade has a much larger turnover.

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Knives get used as screwdrivers or levers for home DIY tasks (or so it seems) - well table knives rather than sharp knives

This must be true - as interestingly an older family member asked me to look out on line for some pieces of matching cutlery for a set that have had for 40+ years with items missing - so I started watching the relevant e-bay items for matching stuff - and it's clear from prices and stuff available on line that knives are less easy to source then spoons, forks etc in the same design. Also teaspoons rarer (get thrown out by mistake perhaps as small items)

35B said:

I'm not sure how much it's got to do with delivered cooked food, and how much to do with how we serve food more generally. The idea of "best" china is no longer commonplace, as casual dining crockery is easy to get at supermarkets or Ikea, and is far from expensive.

At the same time, the sort of stuff my grandparents had (a lovely china handled set of cake forks with matching plates, from the mid 1930s, for example) is just not interesting now. If auctioneers can't shift it, then nor will charity shops (and lets be honest, what the auctioneers can't shift, usually heads that way).

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My parents were bought a Royal Albert Old Country Roses tea service for their wedding in 1969. The only part I can remember being used in the last 20 years was when my mum decided to use one of the saucers for cat treats.

Similarly, my dad has just spent a couple of months passing my late mother’s clothes to the Salvation Army collection bin in the local supermarket car park because nobody would collect it.

WesternLancer said:

Knives get used as screwdrivers or levers for home DIY tasks (or so it seems) - well table knives rather than sharp knives

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Ah ha. I have recently bent a small sharp knife blade straight - obviously stepson needed s screwdriver or lever.

I found a drawer with painting things in it and at the bottom were five dinner knives all caked over with filler. Why bother cleaning you wall filler spreader when plenty more are available in the cutlery drawer. I soaked them for weeks and eventually got 99% of the filler off. There is a wee bit in the serrations but Mum can complain about that when he is nearby.

WesternLancer said:

This must be true - as interestingly an older family member asked me to look out on line for some pieces of matching cutlery for a set that have had for 40+ years with items missing - so I started watching the relevant e-bay items for matching stuff - and it's clear from prices and stuff available on line that knives are less easy to source then spoons, forks etc in the same design. Also teaspoons rarer (get thrown out by mistake perhaps as small items)

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Teaspoons apparently are essential for drug addicts chasing the dragon (heating Heroin up and inhaling the vapours). They do not keep a spoon for the purpose instead pinching one from a cafe etc. This was explained to me as the reason many canteens have wooden strirers.

So teaspoon makes should not go out of business except everyone buys the alternative.

Peter Sarf said:

Ah ha. I have recently bent a small sharp knife blade straight - obviously stepson needed s screwdriver or lever.

I found a drawer with painting things in it and at the bottom were five dinner knives all caked over with filler. Why bother cleaning you wall filler spreader when plenty more are available in the cutlery drawer. I soaked them for weeks and eventually got 99% of the filler off. There is a wee bit in the serrations but Mum can complain about that when he is nearby.

Teaspoons apparently are essential for drug addicts chasing the dragon (heating Heroin up and inhaling the vapours). They do not keep a spoon for the purpose instead pinching one from a cafe etc. This was explained to me as the reason many canteens have wooden strirers.

So teaspoon makes should not go out of business except everyone buys the alternative.

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some insights there!

BuhSnarf said:

I don't think this is the case at all, the successful charity shops are pivoting to the kind of second hand clothes that younger kids will buy.

We've had a couple of charity shops (although you wouldn't know they were charity shops unless you were really looking) who have opened vintage clothing shops locally. They have some really good deals and both my teenage daughters have bought from them.

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Clearly the strategy is to hide being a charity shop and look like a trendy vintage store. Walk around the stores near Brick Lane or Camden Town and there is certainly a market for that - and has been for some considerable time.

Peter Sarf said:

I wonder how important a cutlery set, plates and cookware are to a generation that relies more and more on cooked food delivered. I know of a family that sit at the TV eating their Pizza straight from the box, holding the crust. They do not even need a table and dining chairs !.

I wonder what that is doing to the viability of manufacturers of the aforementioned household items and also the second hand suppliers ?.

Afterthought - they do not even need the means to wash up. In fact I wonder how much Kitchen manufacturers and suppliers are at risk from the change into more people just needing a fridge for booze and leftovers and a microwave to re-heat leftovers !.

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This misses the point. I'm glad you can afford to eat out a lot or get deliveries. IKEA dinnerware is cheap, good quality and easy to replace if it gets damaged.



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Peter Sarf said:

Ah ha. I have recently bent a small sharp knife blade straight - obviously stepson needed s screwdriver or lever.

I found a drawer with painting things in it and at the bottom were five dinner knives all caked over with filler. Why bother cleaning you wall filler spreader when plenty more are available in the cutlery drawer. I soaked them for weeks and eventually got 99% of the filler off. There is a wee bit in the serrations but Mum can complain about that when he is nearby.

Teaspoons apparently are essential for drug addicts chasing the dragon (heating Heroin up and inhaling the vapours). They do not keep a spoon for the purpose instead pinching one from a cafe etc. This was explained to me as the reason many canteens have wooden strirers.

So teaspoon makes should not go out of business except everyone buys the alternative.

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This is partly tongue and cheek, but I'm not sure if you are joking or not?

DoubleLemon said:

this is partly tongue and cheek, but I'm not sure if you are joking or not.

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Admittedly I wondered over the " I know of a family that sit at the TV eating their Pizza straight from the box, holding the crust." line and initally thought "Straight from the box?! Not using a knife and fork?! Animals!"

I do hope it is tongue in cheek!!!

Leyland Bus said:

Admittedly I wondered over the " I know of a family that sit at the TV eating their Pizza straight from the box, holding the crust." line and initally thought "Straight from the box?! Not using a knife and fork?! Animals!"

I do hope it is tongue in cheek!!!

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Yes, you can eat a pizza with your hands. You can tear it into smaller portions. I know many people who live on prepared meals including some expensive bands like Charlie Bingham but you still need cutlery. A canteen of cutlery was a common wedding gift at one time but I doubt if that is still popular. When I left my parents home at the age of 21, I bought knives forks and spoons. Now at the ag of 82. I still have them plus my mother's cutlery. When I downsized in retirement, I had a few trips to the council tip and I warned the attendant helping me that one package contained a number of sharp kitchen knives.

The conclusion that I draw from this is that in life you are unlikely to have more than two sets of cutlery so shops selling cutlery are not going to get people making repeat purchases.

We're veering slightly off-topic I feel, but we've got a mixture of cutlery sets, including a "best" set that we tend to use when family visit and then our "everyday" set which seems now to be a bit of a mish-mash, and I'm not entirely too sure why - some of it seems to have disappeared, so possibly thrown out by accident when clearing plates. The Ikea stuff we do have, which we've had for a good 10 years now, is starting to show it's age and is getting marks appear on it. The main issue I have is that I like to have a matching knife & fork, so the handles feel "right" in my hands. I don't mind which cutlery I'm using, but with our best set, I get funny if I've got the smaller knife and larger fork or vice-versa.

One of the things we insist upon since having a child is to have meals all together at the dining table as that brings the family together.

DoubleLemon said:

this misses the point. I'm glad you can afford to eat out a lot or get deliveries. IKEA dinnerware is cheap, good quality and easy to replace if it gets damaged.

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I am sorry if you took offence to my posts. I cannot afford to eat out much btw. Perhaps IKEA is supplying the market better than the old guard - progress/change.

In the case of Cutlery I genuinely believe peoples use of cutlery has changed. Its not for the better nor for the worse, it has just changed.

Pizza is a good example of a meal where cutlery is not essential. After all I believe the crust is there to hold the pizza by (in its origanal guise back in Italy). So no need for a knife and fork if the eater prefers. Perhaps rather like a Cornish Pasty was designed for tin miners to eat while underground with no means to wash their hands (held in the hand by the knurled/folded edge on one side of the crust which was never eaten). Pizza being a more recent thing in the UK (originates from Italy) means a more recent shift away from cutlery getting so much use.

There is a lot more finger food around than fifty or sixty years ago.

So I was suggesting cutlery is realistically of less importance than it was say sixty years ago. For example I don't think much Pizza was consumed in the UK sixty years ago, same for burgers and chicken and chips (OK there have been sandwiches around for a longer but not necessarily for the "main meal"). That means cutlery suppliers and makers have less of a market. Not good for them BUT not bad overall, just different. I think crockery is less essential for similar reasons. Not bad and not good but a change in habits. Then I realise eating at the sofa in front of the TV is more of a thing than sixty years ago. That dining room has become more valuable as a bedroom so the market for tables and chairs declines while beds might increase (IKEA win some and lose some).

Undoubtedly the younger people you refer too will not have memories going back as far as older people so will not have perceived the change. That is neither bad nor good just a fact of experience. Overall it is just change. Of course in the eyes of the manufacturers and suppliers of said goods they are facing decline.

DoubleLemon said:

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this is partly tongue and cheek, but I'm not sure if you are joking or not.

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But my second post covers another reason cutlery etc is a receding market. The misuse of knives is perhaps another subject and a moan but it is just something I have had to cope with having been asked by others to repair and clean such items. It further indicates to me cutlery is less important. It is a bit of a shame in some peoples eyes. But is it just a change. Since people do not seem to buy to keep a set of cutlery for best these days perhaps why worry about using up old cutlery in ways it was not designed for. Others in the same household obviously felt it was important but it is a matter of opinion. Its progress perhaps, well more accurately change. We obviously do not purchase and keep for best cutlery the same way people used to. A few posters on here have ended up with more sets of cutlery than they need - I am reluctant to throw away what has been handed down to me.

Rightly or wrongly it means the business of making and selling cutlery must be declining.

Peter Sarf said:

In the case of Cutlery I genuinely believe peoples use of cutlery has changed. Its not for the better nor for the worse, it has just changed.

Pizza is a good example of a meal where cutlery is not essential. After all I believe the crust is there to hold the pizza by (in its origanal guise back in Italy). So no need for a knife and fork if the eater prefers. Perhaps rather like a Cornish Pasty was designed for tin miners to eat while underground with no means to wash their hands (held in the hand by the knurled/folded edge on one side of the crust which was never eaten). Pizza being a more recent thing in the UK (originates from Italy) means a more recent shift away from cutlery getting so much use.

There is a lot more finger food around than fifty or sixty years ago.

So I was suggesting cutlery is realistically of less importance than it was say sixty years ago. For example I don't think much Pizza was consumed in the UK sixty years ago, same for burgers and chicken and chips (OK there have been sandwiches around for a longer but not necessarily for the "main meal"). That means cutlery suppliers and makers have less of a market. Not good for them BUT not bad overall, just different. I think crockery is less essential for similar reasons. Not bad and not good but a change in habits. Then I realise eating at the sofa in front of the TV is more of a thing than sixty years ago. That dining room has become more valuable as a bedroom so the market for tables and chairs declines while beds might increase (IKEA win some and lose some).

Undoubtedly the younger people you refer too will not have memories going back as far as older people so will not have perceived the change. That is neither bad nor good just a fact of experience. Overall it is just change. Of course in the eyes of the manufacturers and suppliers of said goods they are facing decline.

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I don't think any of this has any relevance to the original thoughts around the "good cutlery" sets. People have eaten finger food for at least 50 years.

Yes dining tables are less common as more people live in flats or smaller houses without dedicate dining rooms or space for a kitchen table. So less use of the "good cutlery" as you just need one set, which it is easy & cheap to get from Ikea, Asda, Tesco, Amazon, Argos, B&M Bargains and multiple other low priced retailers now. The idea of having a premium brand for something "basic" like cutlery and plates went away years ago.

No need for the best china/cutlery if you don't have space to store it. Also as noted when people are clearing out their parents/grandparents houses, those sets that were "kept for best" were often never used as the right occasion wasn't ever thought of. Far better to actually make use of everything!

I think most young (although I'm mid-40s and feel the same) people just don't see the need for expensive plates and cutlery when a cheap one will do just the same and there's no panicking over who can and can't use it, because if a you accidentally break or chip it you just buy another one.

I have no desire to 'display' expensive crockery in a cupboard, if I want to show off something I'll have printed out pictures I've taken or plants etc. I just think the general need to have a "best" set is an old time concept.

jon81uk said:

I don't think any of this has any relevance to the original thoughts around the "good cutlery" sets. People have eaten finger food for at least 50 years.

Yes dining tables are less common as more people live in flats or smaller houses without dedicate dining rooms or space for a kitchen table. So less use of the "good cutlery" as you just need one set, which it is easy & cheap to get from Ikea, Asda, Tesco, Amazon, Argos, B&M Bargains and multiple other low priced retailers now. The idea of having a premium brand for something "basic" like cutlery and plates went away years ago.

No need for the best china/cutlery if you don't have space to store it. Also as noted when people are clearing out their parents/grandparents houses, those sets that were "kept for best" were often never used as the right occasion wasn't ever thought of. Far better to actually make use of everything!

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I think space is more at a premium these days. Certainly I suffer !.

BuhSnarf said:

I think most young (although I'm mid-40s and feel the same) people just don't see the need for expensive plates and cutlery when a cheap one will do just the same and there's no panicking over who can and can't use it, because if a you accidentally break or chip it you just buy another one.

I have no desire to 'display' expensive crockery in a cupboard, if I want to show off something I'll have printed out pictures I've taken or plants etc. I just think the general need to have a "best" set is an old time concept.

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I suppose question is sixty + years ago what were the alternative cherished/sought after possessions to that cutlery and crockery set.

Nowadays there are all sort of alternative possessions to spend money on (mobile, computer, clothes perhaps and also a car is more and more common). Many of them are very much more useful !.

Peter Sarf said:

I think space is more at a premium these days. Certainly I suffer !.

I suppose question is sixty + years ago what were the alternative cherished/sought after possessions to that cutlery and crockery set.

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They were certainly signs that you’d “made it” (into the world of the dinner party circuit at least. You’d soon have the privilege of being the temporary holder of one of the boxes of After Eights or Matchmakers that were passed from host to host without ever being opened) A bit later to be joined by the fondue set…

We visited a Pizza Hut the other weekend for a sit down meal which was actually not too bad, after some of their deals the cost was about on par with Wetherspoons (salad bar, pizza, side, dessert, unlimited refill soft drink) but it was completely dead for a Saturday late afternoon / early evening probably more staff walking around than customers!

Found out today it has shut down for good so I wonder if they'll be closing the lot soon

Believe the whole UK chain has just changed hands... again. This time to a private equity firm, so I'd expect more closures to come as they (likely) asset strip.

johntea said:

We visited a Pizza Hut the other weekend for a sit down meal which was actually not too bad, after some of their deals the cost was about on par with Wetherspoons (salad bar, pizza, side, dessert, unlimited refill soft drink) but it was completely dead for a Saturday late afternoon / early evening probably more staff walking around than customers!

Found out today it has shut down for good so I wonder if they'll be closing the lot soon

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Sold/in process of selling by owner "Yum Brands" to a private equity firm 'Longrange Capital' so knowing the usual trajectory, you're probably not far off the mark!

Yum! Brands is selling its struggling Pizza Hut chain in a deal worth $2.7bn (£2bn), the company has announced.

Private equity firm LongRange Capital will acquire the brand outside of mainland China for $1.5bn, while Yum China Holdings will buy the mainland China operations for $1.2bn.

"Under LongRange and Yum China, Pizza Hut will be well positioned for future growth with ownership that brings deep expertise in the restaurant industry," said Yum! Brands chief executive Chris Turner.

The decision comes after a prolonged period of difficulty for Pizza Hut - a name synonymous with casual dining in America.

Yum! Brands first revealed it was exploring a potential sale in November 2025, following several quarters of declining US same-stores. The American market is highly critical for the chain, as it makes up 40% of its total international sales, external.

The drop in performance has been driven by intensifying competition from revival chains like Domino's, Papa John's, and Little Caesars. At a time when inflation remains sticky, these rivals have aggressively discounted their offerings to win over price-sensitive consumers.

Moreover, mid-sized regional chains have also chipped away at the market. These smaller, more nimble fast-food competitors have adapted faster to changing consumer habits in the so-called "pizza wars".

At the same time, the rapid rise of third-party delivery apps has flooded the market with alternative options, diluting Pizza Hut's historic dominance.

Pizza Hut was founded in 1958, the brainchild of two brothers in Wichita, Kansas.

It was bought by PepsiCo in 1977 and then spun off into what became Yum! Brands in 1997.

"Pizza Hut is one of the most iconic restaurant brands in the world, and we are proud of the important role it has played in Yum!'s history," said Turner.

Yum! bought Pizza Hut's UK operations in October last year after DC London Pie, the firm running the dine-in restaurants, fell into administration.

While the financial collapse shut 68 restaurants and put more than 1,200 jobs at risk, about 64 restaurants were saved as part of a rescue deal.

By divesting Pizza Hut, Yum! intends to streamline its corporate focus and resources on its remaining core brands, which include KFC and Taco Bell.

The transactions with LongRange Capital and Yum China are both expected to close in the third quarter of 2026, subject to customary regulatory approvals.

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johntea said:

We visited a Pizza Hut the other weekend for a sit down meal which was actually not too bad, after some of their deals the cost was about on par with Wetherspoons (salad bar, pizza, side, dessert, unlimited refill soft drink) but it was completely dead for a Saturday late afternoon / early evening probably more staff walking around than customers!

Found out today it has shut down for good so I wonder if they'll be closing the lot soon

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It's reportedly being put up for sale recently, so wouldn't be surprised if it shuts down operations soon as it's clearly past its prime.

Yum! Brands is selling its struggling Pizza Hut chain in a deal worth $2.7bn (£2bn), the company has announced.

Private equity firm LongRange Capital will acquire the brand outside of mainland China for $1.5bn, while Yum China Holdings will buy the mainland China operations for $1.2bn.

"Under LongRange and Yum China, Pizza Hut will be well positioned for future growth with ownership that brings deep expertise in the restaurant industry," said Yum! Brands chief executive Chris Turner.

The decision comes after a prolonged period of difficulty for Pizza Hut - a name synonymous with casual dining in America.

Yum! Brands first revealed it was exploring a potential sale in November 2025, following several quarters of declining US same-stores. The American market is highly critical for the chain, as it makes up 40% of its total international sales, external.

The drop in performance has been driven by intensifying competition from revival chains like Domino's, Papa John's, and Little Caesars. At a time when inflation remains sticky, these rivals have aggressively discounted their offerings to win over price-sensitive consumers.

Moreover, mid-sized regional chains have also chipped away at the market. These smaller, more nimble fast-food competitors have adapted faster to changing consumer habits in the so-called "pizza wars".

At the same time, the rapid rise of third-party delivery apps has flooded the market with alternative options, diluting Pizza Hut's historic dominance.

Pizza Hut was founded in 1958, the brainchild of two brothers in Wichita, Kansas.

It was bought by PepsiCo in 1977 and then spun off into what became Yum! Brands in 1997.

"Pizza Hut is one of the most iconic restaurant brands in the world, and we are proud of the important role it has played in Yum!'s history," said Turner.

Yum! bought Pizza Hut's UK operations in October last year after DC London Pie, the firm running the dine-in restaurants, fell into administration.

While the financial collapse shut 68 restaurants and put more than 1,200 jobs at risk, about 64 restaurants were saved as part of a rescue deal.

By divesting Pizza Hut, Yum! intends to streamline its corporate focus and resources on its remaining core brands, which include KFC and Taco Bell.

The transactions with LongRange Capital and Yum China are both expected to close in the third quarter of 2026, subject to customary regulatory approvals.

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Just a last comment on charity shops. One in North Berwick had a Bachmann class 40 and three Bachmann coaches for sale. £170 for the loco, £70 each for the coaches! Popped in to ask if the prices were correct and was told that they were charging a similar price to Ebay. I shook my head and left