I don't know and wouldn't have tried. I did poke my head in to take a quick photo though
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People obtaining railway keys and breaking into cabs
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Then nothing is secure then considering almost anything can be accessed by someone who doesn’t have authority if they put the time and effort it.
You don't need to put any time or effort into accessing a cab. I could do it now if I wanted to.
bramling
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I’m not keen on this current trend for police to put out gleeful social media posts when they’ve caught someone doing something.
By all means have an emotionless “25-year-old male given X penalty after being caught driving whilst disqualified” or whatever, but I don’t feel it’s a good look when they go around gloating about it. After all, part of the role of police is to deter and prevent crime from happening in the first place, so the fact that something has happened means the police could be doing better.
zwk500
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If they put out a bland and boring post, it won't get picked up by the algorithms for peoples' feeds. Which would then reduce the deterrence impact of said post.
bramling
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Have to consider for what reason it’s now suddenly an issue.
If the primary concern is the risk of someone randomly entering a cab and assaulting the driver (bearing in mind drivers aren’t commercial staff so there is no financial motive here), then it’s an unfortunately reflection of how society has deteriorated.
I’d be focussing most on those cabs fitted with “break glass” type security, mainly LU. This is where there is likely to be the biggest risk. For all its flaws the BR1 key isn’t *that* easy to get hold of.
It might be just me but I'd rather the police were spending their time trying to catch criminals which actually done something serious like cable theft rather than someone entering a cab.
It's a complete waste of police time.
Just secure the doors properly in the first place, even if it means entering the second half of the 20th century which I know seems to be difficult with unions ie. key cards.
For better or worse, we live in a social media age nowadays.
I would say that this is the police using that medium as part of their deterrence strategy. As zwk500 says, using the medium to it's best effect and to reach the most possible people.
Whether it's truly effective in that aim is another debate entirely.
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Sort of, tech companies are now required to remove harmful content which I think encouraging illegal activites is part of it.
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To those posters suggesting swipe-card systems, what happens when either the card or the reader fails? If there is some sort of manual override handle, that defeats the point of having swipe-cards in the first place. If not, then you have a train blocking the line with no way to move it.
You could but I’d guess most people wouldn’t exactly know what they were doing to do so.
But the wider issues goes into that people are able to access all sort of things that they are not otherwise entitled to, or use them for motives against their purpose (knives).
In theory, this seems reasonable but there’s going to be a whole load of logistics, extra admin, performance issues and not to mention retrofit costs to driver cab doors to make this work.
Connect the override handle to the emergency brake and have the reset in the active driver cab for it or something similar.
Only someone stupid would do that.
andy33gmail
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I agree with your interpretation of the current legal position
But I think longer term it would be better for the videos to stand, and be “replied to” by the police, DVLA or so on.
My suggestion was a tightly-controlled master key stored in depots/some stations.
There was a thread a couple of years ago about BR1B keys being sold for buttons as decorations from websites that were sourcing them from China.
From the markings on the keys it appeared that one particular approved supplier to the rail industry had got genuine DJM BR1B key and had it copied by a Chinese manufacturer (cast in brass, rather than the chrome plated steel of the originals), which had then resulted in the proliferation of these keys being made and sold for other uses.
From the markings on the keys it appeared that one particular approved supplier to the rail industry had got genuine DJM BR1B key and had it copied by a Chinese manufacturer (cast in brass, rather than the chrome plated steel of the originals), which had then resulted in the proliferation of these keys being made and sold for other uses.
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Yes, it was nice of the Chinese manufacturer to leave their customer's name and phone number on the copies they make for themselves, so we can trace how they came to be commonly available.This how easy it is to get a BR1 key as an example. Took me the time to type in BR1 key for sale and hit return.Br1 Key - Etsy UK
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The "Peak Army" that's a name to conjure with from the past...I always seem to remember an abundance of emulsion based numbers daubed to walls & bridges around the Nottingham area in the 80s, of certain peaks that had appeared on the line. Not sure if it was just a Nottingham thing at the time, but no doubt it wasn't.
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