East Yorkshire Motor Services, now part of Go-Ahead

Eyersey468 · 31 May 2026

Regarding 96 it was an airport vehicle when new hence the (fake) curtains

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EYFanatic · 31 May 2026

Something funny

97 is, as previously mentioned, doing it again and there have been quite a few Americans taking pictures of it at Pickering with two even going for a ride to Kirkbymoorside. Made me chuckle when one asked his wife "Do you think it's nuclear powered?"

9143180 · 31 May 2026

Eyersey468 said:
I believe the new deckers will be MMCs

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting different results

Dfatcontroller · 31 May 2026

9143180 said:
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting different results

They might have the same bodies but that's not to say they'll have the same engine/gearbox set-up.

9143180 · 31 May 2026

Dfatcontroller said:
They might have the same bodies but that's not to say they'll have the same engine/gearbox set-up.

I’m fairly sure ADL are only offering them with the same Cummins ISB 6.7 (and maybe Voith DIWA) that the current ones have. They might last a few years before we’re back to discussing the unreliability of X46/47 allocations

Zenneth101 · 31 May 2026

Should order StreetDeck Ultroliners

YorkRailFan · 31 May 2026

EvoSeti 20812 has broken down on Dalesbus 822 today just outside of Pateley Bridge near Fellbeck and a replacement bus has been sent.

We're sorry to advise that DalesBus 822 has broken down near Fellbeck - replacement bus is on the way and will call at Fountains Abbey (if gates open - otherwise at entrance) and Ripon but may be around 90 minutes late. Apologies for the delay.

https://x.com/i/status/2061119835996623146

AB93 · 31 May 2026

Zenneth101 said:
Should order StreetDeck Ultroliners

Nottingham City Transport: They started coming from Falkirk about 15 years ago! Sadly the modern day British buses - as we’re currently experiencing with 6 we’ve recently purchased - don’t meet or match the build quality and reliability we need. They’d no doubt be disappointed that’s where UK manufacturing has ended up.

NCT referring to their new StreetDecks on Facebook just a couple of days ago...

SW Buses · 31 May 2026

Not noticed the change but Hull ‘local’ services don’t get better than hourly frequencies on Sundays, didn’t they use to be greater than that?

NoMorePacers · 31 May 2026

SW Buses said:
Not noticed the change but Hull ‘local’ services don’t get better than hourly frequencies on Sundays, didn’t they use to be greater than that?

Has been the case for the last couple of years at the very least. Looking at a 2019 Hull network map (so before the reductions brought on by COVID and its aftermath) and virtually all EY routes are only listed as having an hourly service on Sundays so it isn't new.

Eyersey468 · 1 Jun 2026

Given Go Ahead said they want everything electric by 2035, which I'm not convinced will happen in that timescale, the MMCs may well prove to be the last new diesels bought by EY

Lynford1976 · 1 Jun 2026

There are diesel MMC's on order for other parts of Go-Ahead.

Source: the Commercial Director of Go South Coast, speaking at the Omnibus Society's Presidential Address in London on the 24th. January.

stevieinselby · 1 Jun 2026

Eyersey468 said:
Given Go Ahead said they want everything electric by 2035, which I'm not convinced will happen in that timescale, the MMCs may well prove to be the last new diesels bought by EY

For a group that wants everything electric by 2035, they've bought a huge number of diesel E400MMCs over the last 3 years which should be expected to run in service well beyond that...
(Not so much East Yorkshire but other divisions within the group)

aswilliamsuk · 1 Jun 2026

stevieinselby said:
For a group that wants everything electric by 2025, they've bought a huge number of diesel E400MMCs over the last 3 years which should be expected to run in service well beyond that...
(Not so much East Yorkshire but other divisions within the group)

Although Kleandrive going into administration won't help, ADL have been preparing to offer a repower option for the E400 MMC. I can't imagine that Go Ahead won't be looking at that in due course.

Russel · 1 Jun 2026

stevieinselby said:
For a group that wants everything electric by 2025, they've bought a huge number of diesel E400MMCs over the last 3 years which should be expected to run in service well beyond that...
(Not so much East Yorkshire but other divisions within the group)

How suitable would a fully electric fleet be for EY?

Thinking about some of the long distance routes such as X46/X47 etc, same question applies for Transdev's coastliner routes as well I guess.

stevieinselby · 1 Jun 2026

Russel said:
How suitable would a fully electric fleet be for EY?

Thinking about some of the long distance routes such as X46/X47 etc, same question applies for Transdev's coastliner routes as well I guess.

Ember have shown that there is no intrinsic impossibility about running electric vehicles on long routes, the questions will be (a) when we get to a point where a 75-seat double decker bus has the range needed to cover those kinds of distances on fast roads, and (2) what the longer-term reliability and longevity of buses used in that way. Transdev's 36 is a good test-bed for it – if the buses can complete a full day's service without needing any top-up charges at Harrogate bus station during the day then that is looking promising, but otherwise there may be a need to add opportunity charging at some key locations such as Hull, Bridlington and Pocklington. But in principle, I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be viable. The cost of upgrading the electricity supplies to so many smaller depots is likely to be a barrier, though.

Dwarfer1979 · 1 Jun 2026

stevieinselby said:
Ember have shown that there is no intrinsic impossibility about running electric vehicles on long routes, the questions will be (a) when we get to a point where a 75-seat double decker bus has the range needed to cover those kinds of distances on fast roads, and (2) what the longer-term reliability and longevity of buses used in that way. Transdev's 36 is a good test-bed for it – if the buses can complete a full day's service without needing any top-up charges at Harrogate bus station during the day then that is looking promising, but otherwise there may be a need to add opportunity charging at some key locations such as Hull, Bridlington and Pocklington. But in principle, I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be viable. The cost of upgrading the electricity supplies to so many smaller depots is likely to be a barrier, though.

It is not the distance of the route but the mileage covered in the day that are the issue for electrics. Ember achieves it by not heavily utilising all their vehicles so they can be charged up during the day (I just had a look at a couple of coaches on Bustimes to check my understanding and in all the cases I looked at they only did a couple of trips with a couple of hours parked up) which means you need more vehicles than basic scheduling would indicate and probably more inefficient than most operators would consider and incurs an additional cost impact (vehicle parking issues in the depot also being as big an issue as anything else for many operators).

The Transdev 36 is a more pertinent example for bus operators as they are working in a more traditional resource manner than Ember though the issue with that is getting the infrastructure for opportunity charging installed (easier if you own the sites yourself, as Transdev do with Harrogate Bus Station, than if you are using roadside locations or 3rd party bus stations). There are already a number of operators running electric buses on interurban routes, even double-deckers (Arriva in Leicestershire, Stagecoach around Chesterfield, Transdev in Harrogate & Pulhams seem to be running some on Cheltenham to Oxford as examples). As you say, on principle there aren't many bus routes that couldn't be run by electric buses but it is the cost of getting charging infrastructure installed (whether at remote and smaller depots or opportunity charging in bus stations or roadside where it is needed) that is holding things back.

stevieinselby · 1 Jun 2026

Dwarfer1979 said:
It is not the distance of the route but the mileage covered in the day that are the issue for electrics. Ember achieves it by not heavily utilising all their vehicles so they can be charged up during the day (I just had a look at a couple of coaches on Bustimes to check my understanding and in all the cases I looked at they only did a couple of trips with a couple of hours parked up) which means you need more vehicles than basic scheduling would indicate and probably more inefficient than most operators would consider and incurs an additional cost impact (vehicle parking issues in the depot also being as big an issue as anything else for many operators).

The Transdev 36 is a more pertinent example for bus operators as they are working in a more traditional resource manner than Ember though the issue with that is getting the infrastructure for opportunity charging installed (easier if you own the sites yourself, as Transdev do with Harrogate Bus Station, than if you are using roadside locations or 3rd party bus stations). There are already a number of operators running electric buses on interurban routes, even double-deckers (Arriva in Leicestershire, Stagecoach around Chesterfield, Transdev in Harrogate & Pulhams seem to be running some on Cheltenham to Oxford as examples). As you say, on principle there aren't many bus routes that couldn't be run by electric buses but it is the cost of getting charging infrastructure installed (whether at remote and smaller depots or opportunity charging in bus stations or roadside where it is needed) that is holding things back.

Agreed, total daily mileage is more important than the distance from one of the route to the other – although a longer interurban route is likely to be more demanding than a shorter urban route just because of the amount of high-speed running on it. I hadn't really looked into Ember's scheduling, so I hadn't realised how much downtime the coaches had in each day – on the other hand, it's 170 miles each way from Glasgow to Inverness, so a coach making one return trip is covering more miles than any bus on the X46 will do in a day.

But for now, buses on The 36 rarely seem to be scheduled for a full day's service, either with breaks during the daytime or buses that are running the late shift not coming out of the depot until after lunchtime. The Oxford to Cheltenham service is similarly light but that's because the route doesn't have an evening service. But compare the buses on The 36 with how intensively they are used on other long-distance Transdev routes like Witch Way or Coastliner, where there are buses running in service from the start of the day right through to the end – which doesn't suggest that electric buses are quite ready for that sort of demanding schedule just yet.

LucyP · 1 Jun 2026

Transdev's 36 cannot complete a day without charging. I saw one plugged in last week at Harrogate bus station. They are also currently installing more chargers at the bus station. They still have the ADL branded bus in service, presumably because of faulty 36 branded buses.

SW Buses · 1 Jun 2026

NoMorePacers said:
Has been the case for the last couple of years at the very least. Looking at a 2019 Hull network map (so before the reductions brought on by COVID and its aftermath) and virtually all EY routes are only listed as having an hourly service on Sundays so it isn't new.

Thank you. Is there a current EYMS Hull network map?

Eyersey468 · 1 Jun 2026

stevieinselby said:
For a group that wants everything electric by 2035, they've bought a huge number of diesel E400MMCs over the last 3 years which should be expected to run in service well beyond that...
(Not so much East Yorkshire but other divisions within the group)

That's part of the reason I don't think they Will achieve it, I'm also not convinced they or for that matter the other groups will have the money to replace everything and there's the question of will the manufacturers have the capacity to build enough new vehicles?

Russel · 1 Jun 2026

Eyersey468 said:
That's part of the reason I don't think they Will achieve it, I'm also not convinced they or for that matter the other groups will have the money to replace everything and there's the question of will the manufacturers have the capacity to build enough new vehicles?

Another point is, is it actually needed?

I know it's good PR, but in reality, a modern diesel bus is efficient and produces relatively low emissions.

JD2168 · 1 Jun 2026

stevieinselby said:
Agreed, total daily mileage is more important than the distance from one of the route to the other – although a longer interurban route is likely to be more demanding than a shorter urban route just because of the amount of high-speed running on it. I hadn't really looked into Ember's scheduling, so I hadn't realised how much downtime the coaches had in each day – on the other hand, it's 170 miles each way from Glasgow to Inverness, so a coach making one return trip is covering more miles than any bus on the X46 will do in a day.

But for now, buses on The 36 rarely seem to be scheduled for a full day's service, either with breaks during the daytime or buses that are running the late shift not coming out of the depot until after lunchtime. The Oxford to Cheltenham service is similarly light but that's because the route doesn't have an evening service. But compare the buses on The 36 with how intensively they are used on other long-distance Transdev routes like Witch Way or Coastliner, where there are buses running in service from the start of the day right through to the end – which doesn't suggest that electric buses are quite ready for that sort of demanding schedule just yet.

Very much like the X17 with Stagecoach Yorkshire as they swap on & off during the day with some interworking with the 43/44/50/50a & others meaning a change of bus at Chesterfield to continue a journey

EnviroExplorer · 2 Jun 2026

9143180 said:
I’m fairly sure ADL are only offering them with the same Cummins ISB 6.7 (and maybe Voith DIWA) that the current ones have. They might last a few years before we’re back to discussing the unreliability of X46/47 allocations

The current East Yorkshire E400MMCs are the aforementioned Cummins engine but with a ZF Ecolife 6-speed, which without getting too nerdy here, have been tuned in such a way which optimises power delivery to hold gears up hills etc. On paper that is the correct thing to do for such a demanding route, but clearly it’s taken its toll on them overall. New builds feature the Voith DIWA only, to date only 4-speed but there is a 7-speed option now being used as standard on new build Wright Streetdeck Ultroliner. Whether that is compatible with the E400MMC I’m uncertain.

Eyersey468 · 2 Jun 2026

Russel said:
Another point is, is it actually needed?

I know it's good PR, but in reality, a modern diesel bus is efficient and produces relatively low emissions.

I think.a lot of it is for the PR to be honest, though within the EY fleet there are a lot of vehicles that will have to be replaced over the next 3 years due to the age of them

Zenneth101 · 5 Jun 2026

On bustimes.org, 3 of the Go North East loans have been given new ETMs which are in their 4xxxx range (x meaning their old GNE number)

Not major but thought it was worth saying

For those who aren't familiar with those buses, here is a picture for you (taken by me)

YorkRailFan · 5 Jun 2026

B7RLE Centro 20361 is once again on loan to Fourways (Cleckheaton depot) for Go Ahead West Yorkshire.

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Electroliner 20930 is the second of the electric fleet to have made a return trip on the X46 to York and back last weekend.

20930 - MF75 ENV

Wright StreetDeck Electroliner

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Update from East Yorkshire Buses Enthusiasts:
Open-Top B7TLs:
20894 complete from paintshop now undergoing MOT preparation
20895 is now in the body shop
20896 is in the bodyshop awaiting parts prior to paintshop.
Withernsea depot:
With the completion of the Withernsea depot site, the following are reported to have returned to Withernsea:
Mellor Strata 20500
E200 MMCs 20511 & 20513,
B9TLs 20744, 20755, 20763, 20772, 20775, 20776
B5TLs 20798, 20799, 20800, 20801, 20802, 20803

East Yorkshire Enthusiasts

East Yorkshire Buses fleet update... Latest update with body and paint progress on the open top fleet. Wrightbus Eclipse Gemini open top bodied Volvo B7TL's; (20)894 (BX55 XNL) complete from...

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Eyersey468 · 11 Jun 2026

ADL Enviro 400MMC YY26 FKJ/L/M were delivered today in all over white

Fox192 · 11 Jun 2026

Eyersey468 said:
ADL Enviro 400MMC YY26 FKJ/L/M were delivered today in all over white

What are they for

185102 · 11 Jun 2026

Fox192 said:
What are they for

Assume these are either stock models for york or GWY come to hull to be prepped.

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