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londonbridge

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Today I was waiting for a 93 at The Polka Theatre stop in Wimbledon and noticed a 213 timetable in the display panel…..any other examples of a timetable for a route that doesn’t serve the stop being displayed there? (nb: existing rotes only, not routes that once served the stop and have been withdrawn but the timetable hasn’t yet been removed).
 
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Today I was waiting for a 93 at The Polka Theatre stop in Wimbledon and noticed a 213 timetable in the display panel…..any other examples of a timetable for a route that doesn’t serve the stop being displayed there? (nb: existing rotes only, not routes that once served the stop and have been withdrawn but the timetable hasn’t yet been removed).
I think the 213 used to serve Wimbledon, maybe Sundays only - but that was back in the 60's :D
 

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TfL is introducing a Weekend Hopper during the summer from 25th July-31st August. Nice idea in theory although given the bus fare freeze is ending in July, one wonders if it's a tactic to soften the blow.
 

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TfL is introducing a Weekend Hopper during the summer from 25th July-31st August. Nice idea in theory although given the bus fare freeze is ending in July, one wonders if it's a tactic to soften the blow.
What's a Weekend Hopper? Where have they mentioned this?
 

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What's a Weekend Hopper? Where have they mentioned this?

https://www.london.gov.uk/mayor-announces-new-weekend-hopper-fare

  • Pay a single fare on Saturdays and/or Sundays for unlimited bus and tram journeys across London throughout that day
  • Londoners and visitors can make the most of everything London has to offer this summer with cheaper, easier bus fares between 25 July and 31 August
  • New offer builds on the Mayor’s popular Hopper fare, which has seen more than a billion ‘hops’ made over the past decade
  • Having frozen bus fares a record seven times as Mayor, Sadiq intends to extend the current freeze over the summer to retain £1.75 single fare on buses and trams, further supporting Londoners with the cost of living
Millions of Londoners are set to benefit from cheaper bus journeys this summer, as the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, announces the extension of his popular Hopper fare at weekends.
The new Weekend Hopper offer means, for the first time ever, anyone travelling on buses and trams at the weekend on a Saturday or a Sunday between 25 July and 31 August will only pay one single fare for unlimited journeys across London that day – making it easier for Londoners and visitors to make the most of everything the capital has to offer during the summer holidays.
Earlier this year, the Mayor froze bus and tram fares for the seventh time since 2016 - keeping them among the lowest in the UK, at just £1.75 - showing his continued commitment to doing everything in his power to keep TfL fares as affordable as possible. The Mayor is now exploring available options for bus and tram fares following the current freeze, with the intention of extending it throughout the summer to make the Weekend Hopper an even better deal for Londoners.
Sadiq introduced the Hopper when he took office in 2016, which enables people to pay a single fare for unlimited journeys within an hour on London’s buses and trams. In the decade since, TfL customers have made more than a billion Hopper journeys, meaning anyone making just two hops a week over that time cumulatively saved £1,500 Sadiq is also committed to ensuring that, for as long as he is Mayor, children under 18 can travel for free on London buses and trams
Part of the Mayor’s ongoing work to improve public transport and support Londoners with the cost of living, the new Weekend Hopper will mean that people will be able to travel across the city on buses and trams for the whole day on Saturdays and Sundays for the price of just a single fare. This innovative fare will run for six weekends throughout the school summer holidays, from 25 July to the end of August – including the Bank Holiday Monday, when millions travel across the capital to enjoy Notting Hill Carnival.
To help raise awareness of the Weekend Hopper offer, three buses on routes 23, 49 and 295 have been wrapped as hopping frogs, with Londoners and visitors encouraged to see if they can spot them all as they travel around the capital over the summer. These three routes offer TfL customers the chance to visit landmarks including world-class museums, the Royal Albert Hall, Piccadilly Circus and Trafalgar Square – as well as connecting with a range of other routes, including London’s growing Superloop network, making it easier to travel across the city to visit family and friends.
The Weekend Hopper will help Londoners enjoy an unforgettable summer, with an exceptional programme of events and experiences across the capital. There is something for everyone, from major sporting moments like the ICC Women’s T20 World Cup and the Novuna London Athletics Meet, to landmark live music including Harry Styles’ record‑breaking 12 nights at Wembley Stadium as well as performances by Olivia Dean and Ariana Grande at The O2 Arena. London’s world‑class museums, theatres and galleries are also hosting a fantastic array of exhibitions, such as V&A East’s inaugural show ‘The Music is Black’, Lucian Freud’s ‘Drawing into Painting’ at the National Portrait Gallery and the Zurbarán exhibition at the National Gallery. Theatre‑goers can enjoy a standout season too, with The Devil Wears Prada at the Dominion Theatre, Hercules at Theatre Royal Drury Lane and Wicked at the Apollo Victoria Theatre.
The return of the Mayor’s £400,000 Summer Streets fund aims to create the biggest ever summer of al fresco dining in the capital [3], as bold plans move forward to transform Oxford Street into a pedestrian plaza that can host world-class events and leisure experiences [4]. The Weekend Hopper fare will make it even easier to enjoy everything London has to offer in the coming months. For example, a family of two adults and two under-16s making three or more bus journeys in a day could save up to £7 a day or £14 over a weekend.
Buses are the most inclusive form of public transport in London, with 96 per cent of households within 400 metres of a bus stop and more than 90 per cent served by high-frequency routes [5]. Buses and trams also offer the most accessible and affordable way to travel sustainably in the capital, with fares among the lowest in the UK and all bus routes served by low-floor vehicles with a dedicated wheelchair space, providing a vital lifeline for vulnerable Londoners and lower income households.
Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, said: “During 10 years as Mayor, I’ve been committed to keeping public transport as affordable as possible. This has included freezing bus and tram fares a record seven times. I am determined to continue to help Londoners with the cost-of-living crisis. My Hopper fare has enabled millions of people to enjoy cheaper bus travel. I know how expensive the summer holidays can be for families and my new Weekend Hopper - which is a whopper of a deal - will make it cheaper and easier for Londoners and visitors to enjoy all that our great city has to offer this summer. I know that buses and trams are a real lifeline for many Londoners, and I’m determined to keep them the most accessible and affordable mode of transport in the capital as we continue building a greener, fairer, better London for everyone.”
London’s Transport Commissioner, Andy Lord, said: “London’s buses and trams are vitally important to helping people all across London get around and visit friends, family, and the vast number of amazing places and events the city has to offer. The Hopper fare has helped revolutionise taking a bus or tram for many people over the last decade and we are delighted to be able to offer a Weekend Hopper fare this summer to further help make public transport affordable and convenient for all.”
Michelle Walker, London Area Director at Arts Council England, said: “The Weekend Hopper fare is a great initiative that will open up London’s extraordinary cultural life to even more residents and visitors. By making travel simpler and more affordable for Londoners, this initiative removes a real barrier to accessing the capital’s museums, theatres, galleries and live events. This is a welcome step that is sure to strengthen the bond between culture and community across London.”
Bernard Donoghue, Director at ALVA - The Association of Leading Visitor Attractions, said: “This is a great initiative from the Mayor. More affordable transport opens up London, not least to Londoners themselves. I'm sure this will prompt more of us to discover the London beyond our neighbourhood and find new favourite places, destinations, attractions and green spaces.”
Kate Nicholls, Chair of UK Hospitality, said: “London has something for everyone, from our iconic pubs and restaurants to world-renowned theatres and festivals, and affordable transport is so important for Londoners and visitors alike. Extending the Hopper fare to weekends throughout the summer will make it cheaper and easier for people to experience the fantastic hospitality that London has to offer, and I'm pleased the Mayor has introduced this initiative.”
David Hamilton, Executive Director at the British Film Institute, said: “There’s nothing quite like a brilliant day out in London, and cheaper weekend travel makes it easier for more people to get out and enjoy the city. Whether you’re visiting museums and galleries, heading to the theatre, enjoying live music, or visiting one of the capital’s incredible cinemas - including major film destinations like the nation’s cinematheque BFI Southbank and BFI IMAX, home to the UK’s biggest screen - the Weekend Hopper fare is a really welcome boost for summer days out across the capital.”
Laura Citron, CEO of Visit London, said: “London is set for an incredible summer with world-class events, outdoor culture, live music, exhibitions, theatre and neighbourhood experiences taking place across the capital. The new Weekend Hopper fare makes it even easier and more affordable for Londoners and visitors to explore more of the city – from iconic attractions and museums to local high streets, green spaces and al fresco dining. Whether you’re discovering somewhere new or revisiting a favourite part of the capital, this summer is the perfect time to experience everything London has to offer.”
Sandra Botterell, Executive Director at Kew, said: “We really welcome the Weekend Hopper ticket initiative, which will hugely help Londoners to explore our wonderful city and enjoy days out at our incredible visitor attractions. We know that nature has a wonderful way of soothing, and I couldn’t think of anything better than spending a day at Kew Gardens and exploring all we have to offer. This summer, Kew will be home to more than 30 outdoor sculptures by iconic British sculptor Henry Moore, placed around the Gardens to inspire people about nature.”
Sarah Saunders, Assistant Director at London Museum, said: “We have a number of buses that stop near us in Docklands, and I hope this will give new and returning visitors an opportunity to drop in over the summer. You can bring a packed lunch and enjoy a day out with us entirely for free; soak up the sun on the Quay, or escape to the cool of our galleries to explore 400 years of London’s history as a port. We have loads planned for families over the holidays too, including the return of our popular festival of Caribbean Culture and a Big Dig experience for budding young archaeologists.”
John Dickie, Chief Executive at Business LDN, said: “It’s really positive to see the Mayor making it even easier for Londoners and visitors to explore everything the city has to offer by bus or tram. Innovation around fares is vital to encouraging more people to use public transport. Building on the popularity of the Hopper fare by extending it at weekends will allow even more people to benefit during an exciting summer for the capital.”
Dee Corsi, CEO of New West End Company, said: “The Mayor's Weekend Hopper Fare initiative will make the West End even more accessible, enabling Londoners and visitors alike to press play on an unforgettable London summer. Compared with 2019, visitors to the West End are now spending 50% longer exploring all that the district has on offer. Summer in the West End promises to be jam-packed with activities for the whole family, from Wimbledon-watching to al-fresco dining and rooftop sunsets; we can't wait to welcome you.”
Dan Feeney, Director at South Ken Culture Quarter, said: “The Weekend Hopper will open London up even further, giving more people the ability to access the culture and heritage that is on their doorstep within our great city. Here in the South Ken Culture Quarter we are home to 22 iconic and extraordinary institutions, bringing together one of the world’s greatest collections of museums, galleries, parks and cultural destinations - many offering free entry and programming. By making it even easier to reach us, the Weekend Hopper will help Londoners reconnect with each other, culture and curiosity in the same way that the Great Exhibition did 175 years ago, showing that these experiences are accessible and here for everyone - just as they were in 1851.”
Nic Durston, CEO of South Bank Business Improvement District, said: “This summer is a big moment for South Bank as we celebrate the 75th anniversary of the Festival of Britain – with incredible anniversary programming at Southbank Centre, BFI marking its origins with a season of special screenings and War Horse returning to the National Theatre, not to mention the vast array of restaurants, bars, street food and world-renowned family attractions. With so many bus routes connecting directly into the neighbourhood, it’s one of the easiest places in London to visit, and the new Weekend Hopper fare is a great way to help even more people come and enjoy everything the area has to offer this summer.”

 

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Urban public transport (we should know by now not to consider single modes in isolation) isn't meant to be profitable. You won't find a big city in a wealthy country that hasn't got subsidised public transport. There are probably very few, if any, big cities in wealthy countries that subsidise their public transport less than London. As a result, London (aside from the headline grabbing bus only single fare) has some of the highest fares in the world.
 

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And then Khan will be wondering why London buses aren't profitable
Strawman statement? Everyone sensible knows that the bus network on its own won't make a surplus and that's fine. The rationale is to stop passenger numbers from declining.
 

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Urban public transport (we should know by now not to consider single modes in isolation) isn't meant to be profitable. You won't find a big city in a wealthy country that hasn't got subsidised public transport. There are probably very few, if any, big cities in wealthy countries that subsidise their public transport less than London. As a result, London (aside from the headline grabbing bus only single fare) has some of the highest fares in the world.
Prague is a great example - 350 CZK gives you 72 hours of unlimited travel on all their public transport. In GBP that’s around ~£12.45 - just over £4 per day. You can quite easily spend over £12 in one day
 

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Prague is a great example - 350 CZK gives you 72 hours of unlimited travel on all their public transport. In GBP that’s around ~£12.45 - just over £4 per day. You can quite easily spend over £12 in one day
Wages and general cost of living is much lower. Don't get why people are obsessed in comparing cost with other countries, as each country will be different
 

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25th July to 31st August……I work Sundays so that’ll save me £1.75 on the return fare, but only for the first four weeks, as after that I’ll qualify for my over 60 Oyster……guess I’ll have to make a few extra bus trips on the Saturdays.
 

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This is going to be fun weight restriction to be introduced on Vauxhall Bridge


A new weight restriction will be introduced on Vauxhall Bridge from 1 July after a recent assessment found signs of deterioration, according to Transport for London.
The 18‑tonne limit has been described as "safety critical" by TfL and will remain in place while the transport authority develops plans to address structural concerns and sets out a long‑term strategy for the bridge.
Emergency vehicles and buses will be exempt from the restriction, with no changes to routes.
Carl Eddleston, TfL's director of streets and network operations, said: "While the bridge remains safe, limiting heavier vehicles helps us protect and keep it open while we develop the long‑term improvements it needs."
A diversion route will be put in place for vehicles weighing more than 18 tonnes travelling both northbound and southbound.
TfL said the bridge did not currently pose a risk to users and that the measures were being introduced to prevent further damage.
Vauxhall Bridge carries about 39,500 vehicles each day, of which around 200 – roughly 0.5% of traffic – weigh more than 18 tonnes and are typically heavy goods vehicles.
The bridge has already been subject to restrictions since 2023 for vehicles exceeding 44 tonnes gross weight or 11.5 tonnes per axle.
Eddleston added: "Safety is our top priority, and we know how important Vauxhall Bridge is for people travelling across London.
"This is why we're taking this precautionary step to introduce a weight restriction to the bridge.
"We are sorry for any disruption caused by the restriction, and we'll continue to monitor the area closely, ensuring we keep people updated as this work progresses."

A wider problem​

Vauxhall Bridge is not the only crossing facing concerns about its structural condition, amid wider issues affecting London's bridges.
These restrictions come three months after the closure of Albert Bridge in west London, which was shut to motor vehicles in February when a crack was found in a cast-iron component.
The cost of the repairs will be around £8.5m and it is expected to remain closed for up to a year.
Closure signage at the entrance of the bridge with fencing in place. A number of pedestrians and cyclists can be seen in the bridge but it is closed to traffic.
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Albert Bridge is expected to be closed to traffic for about a year
The 138-year-old Hammersmith Bridge, in south-west London, also closed to motor vehicles when cracks appeared in its pedestals in 2019.
Broadmead Road Bridge, a main route in Redbridge, is another structure which has been shut to traffic, since July 2023.
Last year, the Department for Transport announced a £1bn investment in local highways enhancement projects, along with a new structures fund to help councils repair and renew bridges, flyovers and tunnels.
 

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Does anyone know what work is happening at Harrow Bus station?
New traffic lights for crossing between the bus and tube station. Not yet operational.

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Anyone know why several info waiting time displays at bus stops in the Pinner/North Harrow area are no longer working?
Still an issue. I checked a website on TFL (can’t remember which) and it’s claimed it has been fixed. A few people reported it hasn’t but nothing been done thus far. Really silly situation.
 

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I used a London bus today and on the iBus Display where it would usually say the time or ‘Bus Stopping’ it was displayimg the message regarding LU Tube strikes.

I’ve never noticed it before, or I must’ve missed it up until now. Is it new? & is it remotely controlled by TfL/control or manually uploaded to all buses?
 

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I used a London bus today and on the iBus Display where it would usually say the time or ‘Bus Stopping’ it was displayimg the message regarding LU Tube strikes.

I’ve never noticed it before, or I must’ve missed it up until now. Is it new? & is it remotely controlled by TfL/control or manually uploaded to all buses?
It's a feature that's been used for years and years but I have noticed that they don't seem to activate it anywhere near as much these days as they used to, which is probably why it is the first time you have noticed it. It used to show tube strikes, advance notice of long term diversions or major service changes in the local area and I think once used to even show high pollution / pollen count!
 

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Wages and general cost of living is much lower. Don't get why people are obsessed in comparing cost with other countries, as each country will be different
Well Prague are subsidising Over 60s and Over 65 wherever they are from unlike Us in ther uK
Over 60 Travelcard costs £4.00 for a month and over 65 free
 

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It appears a town council in Essex will be funding improvements to a TfL bus route.

Loughton Town Council will be contributing £50,000 to give the 397 (South Chingford to Debden via Chingford and Loughton) an evening service. It currently runs daily, with last journeys leaving at both ends at 19.15. Proposals show this will be extended by two hours to 21.15.

Loughton Town CouncilExtend Route 397 timetable to 21:15 to support students, shift workers and new housing developments.£50,000
https://www.travelessex.co.uk/love-...6YuC8ifcHW0rMdDBMU_aem_TBT09g1wv40VLMlqmHXnOQ

It is unclear if or when this will happen, but the link above says that such projects will be implemented from April 2026 to December 2027.

IMO, this is a better approach from non-London councils. Rather than complaining that London taxpayers won’t fund improvements outside of London, they are funding it themselves. Is surprising to see a non-county council funding improvements to TfL services. Have there been many other examples of this in the past? (Specifically from town or parish councils, not county councils).
 

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Strictly speaking the £50k for route 397 is actually central government funding, distributed by Essex CC under the "Love Your Bus 2" initiative from £500k of their BSIP pot and an extra £~395k. That said it's welcome news all the same.

London itself isn't eligible for BSIP funding so seeing a TfL route benefit from it is novel. Come of think of it... do any of Surrey CC's substantial contributions (for the 465 etc) come from their share of BSIP funding?
 

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Strictly speaking the £50k for route 397 is actually central government funding, distributed by Essex CC under the "Love Your Bus 2" initiative from £500k of their BSIP pot and an extra £~395k. That said it's welcome news all the same.

London itself isn't eligible for BSIP funding so seeing a TfL route benefit from it is novel. Come of think of it... do any of Surrey CC's substantial contributions (for the 465 etc) come from their share of BSIP funding?
I think there were talks of boosting the Epsom-Banstead leg of the 166 from once an hour to half-hourly and introduce a Sunday service but that has yet to materialise
 

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Strictly speaking the £50k for route 397 is actually central government funding, distributed by Essex CC under the "Love Your Bus 2" initiative from £500k of their BSIP pot and an extra £~395k. That said it's welcome news all the same.
An important point I should have included!
 

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I think there were talks of boosting the Epsom-Banstead leg of the 166 from once an hour to half-hourly and introduce a Sunday service but that has yet to materialise
How is that going to work, given the 166 is currently every 20 minutes? Are they proposing to increase it to every 15 minutes or reduce it to half-hourly?
 

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TfL Board papers for next weeks meeting are now available, and it includes the full year (April 2025 - March 2026) Financials


Per page 4 for buses
budget was 1870 million journeys
actual just 1781 million journeys
for comparison, previous year was 1842m, year earlier was 1867m

So decline of usage of the buses seems to be accelerating


Another paper in the TfL Board pack has details of proposed bus improvements on page 81-82

 

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TfL Board papers for next weeks meeting are now available, and it includes the full year (April 2025 - March 2026) Financials


Per page 4 for buses
budget was 1870 million journeys
actual just 1781 million journeys
for comparison, previous year was 1842m, year earlier was 1867m

So decline of usage of the buses seems to be accelerating


Another paper in the TfL Board pack has details of proposed bus improvements on page 81-82

So, despite passenger numbers declining (which was fairly well known), TfL budgeted for an increase, and not surprisingly, actual numbers fell well short of the budgeted numbers.
 

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Maybe commuters now realise it's not necessary to pay for TfL buses? Just get on and walk past the driver without paying is something I see multiple times on a single bus trip.
 

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They should be budgeting for a reduction of passengers because of the investment in cycling. If bus passengers aren't going down then their efforts to improve cycling would be in vain. They need to present the modal shares for car, cycling and public transport rather than simply counting bus boarding numbers.
 

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They should be budgeting for a reduction of passengers because of the investment in cycling. If bus passengers aren't going down then their efforts to improve cycling would be in vain. They need to present the modal shares for car, cycling and public transport rather than simply counting bus boarding numbers.
That’s bourne out in my personal behaviours. Over the years, as buses and taxis have got slower, I’ve increased my cycling and use of tube / train accordingly.

A journey I do very regularly as an example is Canary Wharf / Mile End: 10 years ago I would always use the bus for that, now I cycle every time.

Another example is Bow / Stratford, for which the bus used to be competitive. Now I only ever use the DLR.

I appreciate it’s anecdotal, however I thought it interesting to illustrate your point.
 

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