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Trivia: Closed passenger lines that have now been reopened and electrified

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I think the evening service was booked 33+TC which went to Waterloo after its last working to form part of a Salisbury service.
It was - coupled to an 8VEP formation for Eastleigh, dividing at Basingstoke

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Thingley Junction to Bradford South Junction via Melksham.

Kilmarnock to Barassie Junction.

Maryhill Park Junction to Knightswood South Junction (Anniesland).

Rutherglen East Junction to Whifflet Junction.

Cardenden - Thornton Junction - Leven.
Only the Rutherglen- Whifflet route is electrified, although the Leven branch is work in progress.
 
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The XC services via Olympia (stopping) started in 1986
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Before that they all went via Reading.

Were they routed through Olympia without stopping? I always assumed they would go across some part of what is now the SWR network (which I am admittedly not familiar with) to reach Reading.
They went through Olympia without stopping, yes, after getting onto the West London Line at Old Oak Common and North Pole Junction using the junction subsequently obliterated by the Eurostar depot.
 
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- The Primrose Hill line (Camden Road to WCML) as an OHL route briefly had an electric service from Harwich to Glasgow.

- The Seven Sisters - South Tottenham - Temple Mills route gained a parliamentary after wiring. (Now withdrawn).

-Junction Road Junction to Gospel Oak has recently gained a single EMU, the 23.24 (Sun) Barking Riverside to Willesden Jn, it’s first electric service other than diverted WCML
sleepers.

 

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Kettering to Corby was closed to passengers at one stage.
"at one stage" ? It was closed for 40 odd years!

Well, that period was interspersed with a temporary re-opening in the late 1980s - about 3 years, I think. Used a Bletchley based DMU which did a turn or two during the daytime to and from Bletchley. Alas, the lack of reliability didn't help instil much confidence in the service.
 

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The tunnel out of King's Cross that was recently reinstated.
 

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Have we had stretches of the GC and Midland routes around Nottingham yet, now part of the NET tram network?
At least three different sections, including the ex-GC route over the top of the ex-Midland station, were derived from closed main line railways.

And the Sheffield Supertram route on closed ex-GC sections north of Tinsley.
Apart from the established Birmingham Snow Hill-Wolverhampton route on ex-GWR alignments, there's the new route of the West Midlands Metro under construction from Wednesbury through Dudley Port to Dudley and Brierley Hill, largely on the closed ex-LNWR/GWR mainline alignments.
 

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The XC services via Olympia (stopping) started in 1986
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Before that they all went via Reading.

Were they routed through Olympia without stopping? I always assumed they would go across some part of what is now the SWR network (which I am admittedly not familiar with) to reach Reading.
That chimes with a distant memory from the 1980s: living and working in Stoke-on-Trent, I had to come down to London for a training course, and the train (possibly on a Sunday) stopped at Kensington Olympia. As I recall, I stayed in a hotel near West Brompton station, so presumably continued via the District line.
 

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In fact there was a rush hour service on part of the line (between Kensington Olympia and Clapham Junction) using a Class 73 or 33 with a EMU (or DEMU) was used before the Willesden Junction - Kensington Olympia section was reopened to a regular passenger service using displaced Network Southeast DMU's. With the electrification/electried service coming some years later (IIRC 1990's when the 3rd rail was extended to the new North Pole Eurostar depot).
Not to forget that Willesdan Junction to Earls Court via Kensington Olympia had been electrified on the 4 rail system by the LNWR/LMS. Bomb damage led to its withdrawal in 1940.
 

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I'm afraid your statement is incorrect (on many levels) as the reopening and electrification of Willesden Junction to Clapham Junction didn't happen at the same time.*
In fact there was a rush hour service on part of the line (between Kensington Olympia and Clapham Junction) using a Class 73 or 33 with a EMU (or DEMU) was used before the Willesden Junction - Kensington Olympia section was reopened to a regular passenger service using displaced Network Southeast DMU's. With the electrification/electried service coming some years later (IIRC 1990's when the 3rd rail was extended to the new North Pole Eurostar depot).

*In fact the line was used for passenger use between 1940 and the reintroduction of regular passenger services under Network Southeast, with special services and the regular motorail service from Kensington Olympia (which I apparently used as a small child) and the Inter-City services which IIRC went Midlands to/from Dover (but was later switched to Ramsgate due to the channel tunnel opening).
Information taken from "Disused Stations" website by Nick Catford.
After withdrawal of regular passenger services between Clapham Junction to Willesden Junction in 1940 the line was used by special services. An un-advertised passenger service operated during Monday- Friday peak hours between Clapham Junction-Kensington Olympia which was steam worked until July 1967 (I travelled on it). Special passenger trains continued to use the line. Motorail services were later introduced from Kensington Olympia to several destinations. In 1986 some inter-regional passenger services were introduced. The full regular electrified passenger service between Clapham Junction to Willesden Junction was introduced in May 1994. To be exact it reopened the short section between Mitre Bridge Junction to Willesden Junction (High Level) which had not seen a passenger service since 1940. I cannot find any reference to a DEMU service between Willesden Junction to Kensington Olympia as the article states it was electrified in 1993 to provide access for Eurostar services to North Pole Depot.
Finally I must admit that the West London Line had a complicated history.
 

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The XC services via Olympia (stopping) started in 1986
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Before that they all went via Reading.

Were they routed through Olympia without stopping? I always assumed they would go across some part of what is now the SWR network (which I am admittedly not familiar with) to reach Reading.

There was a daily Motor-rail service that ran Willesden - Kensington O. and I think it was still running in the 1980s; possibly until the XC services started. I particularly recollect it running weekdays at some time in the 1980s because Willesden powerbox confused the train I was on, an Up 'Cobbler", with it when setting the routes at Wembley. The Cobbler driver queried the route at Willesden-Brent but the Motor-rail happily shot past at line speed on the Up Fast. Took some time to sort out.

Possibly the use of Kensington for terminating Sleeper services during West Coast electrification and Euston rebuilding ended about the time the Motor rail service started.

I think, but not sure, that some Euston services were diverted to Kensington during Euston rebuilding as well. although the timetabled diversion was to Marylebone.
 

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At least the first two on this list are not electrified.
Yes....apologies. I had forgotten the 'electrified' stipulation due to the full thread title not being visible on my mobile screen. :oops:

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The XC services via Olympia (stopping) started in 1986
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Before that they all went via Reading.

Were they routed through Olympia without stopping? I always assumed they would go across some part of what is now the SWR network (which I am admittedly not familiar with) to reach Reading.
No....they were routed via North Pole Junction and onto the Great Western Main Line.
 
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Wolverhampton to Walsall was closed to passengers in 1965 but electrified in 1966. It reopened in 1998 then closed to passengers again in 2008. It has since reopened to passengers.
To be clear the section in question is the curve between Darlaston Junction and Pleck Junction and the passenger service lasted until 2022 as one train a week, timetabled direct Wolverhampton to Walsall at an unsociable time.

You may well have seen a train at Wolverhampton with the destination 'Walsall' but it goes the long way round.
 

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The full regular electrified passenger service between Clapham Junction to Willesden Junction was introduced in May 1994.
I'm not sure that's correct. Memory is that it started as a (Western Region class 116) dmu service, and certainly I photographed such a working at Clapham Junction in September 1996. The critical bit would be Willesden Junction to Mitre Bridge Junction, which would not have been electrified as part of the Eurostar scheme.
 

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This might be bending it somewhat, but the Elizabeth line between near North Woolwich and Custom House, which was all previously the closed North Woolwich part of the North London line and is now the Elizabeth line with OHLE. If you want to bend it even further, the DLR from Canning Town-Stratford is on another part of that former line, but is of course light rail.
Stratford to North Woolwich line is technically *re*-electrified - it was third rail before it closed, I think? And as you say now OHLE for the Elizabeth line (not sure if current DLR electrification is 3 or 4 rail system)
 
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I'm not sure that's correct. Memory is that it started as a (Western Region class 116) dmu service, and certainly I photographed such a working at Clapham Junction in September 1996. The critical bit would be Willesden Junction to Mitre Bridge Junction, which would not have been electrified as part of the Eurostar scheme.
When I was a lad on the relief mid-late 80's the West London line had 2 inter-City services per day; Manchester>Dover and return [1O66 up, can't remember the down headcode] and also a Glasgow & Edinburgh (join/split at Carstairs back then)>Brighton and return [1S76/1O90]. The Manchester travelled via the WCML 87 hauled: locos swapped at Mitre Bridge junction. The Brighton was class 47 hauled, turned off at North Pole junction and went via Reading. I expect they swapped the 47/87 at Birmingham New Street. All of these services stopped at Olympia, Sundays excepted.

Re. the wires as above; in fact the wires went as far as Mitre Bridge from Willesden low level, and that's where they swapped the leccys for diesels on the Manchester/Dover service.

There was the occasional charter to Olympia for Exhibitions etc., the odd 'footex' or 'mystex' and of course the premier peak hours 'Kenny Belle' service Olympia/Clapham Junction as mentioned in posts above. But the line was mainly used for freight.

I've always had a soft spot for 1S76 & 1O90 having signalled them through Olympia, North Pole, Annan (diverted), Dumfries (ditto), Edinburgh Waverley and Carlisle.....them were the days.
 

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Stratford to North Woolwich line is technically *re*-electrified - it was third rail before it closed, I think? And as you say now OHLE for the Elizabeth line (not sure if current DLR electrification is 3 or 4 rail system)
Correct, it was 3rd rail, and never converted to OHLE unlike the rest of the North London Line. The DLR is also 3rd rail, though using a different (and safer) system.
 

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The only bit of the North Woolwich line to fully close was the Silvertown Tramway. Anything else was temporary closure while the railway was repurposed.
 

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Stratford to North Woolwich line is technically *re*-electrified - it was third rail before it closed, I think? And as you say now OHLE for the Elizabeth line (not sure if current DLR electrification is 3 or 4 rail system)

Was it not the case that the 3rd rail electrification was comparatively recent? I travelled on it 1970 and I think I remember it was still diesel. And, in the 1960s I remember walking alongside a boarded track going into Stratford shed and was surprised to encounter a passenger dmu presumably heading for Stratford LL.
 

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Sections of the Manchester Metrolink...
Certainly the section of former (unelectrified) heavy railway line from Old Trafford to East Didsbury (via Chorlton-cum-Hardy). Also most, if not all, of the former 'Oldham Loop Line' between Irk Valley Junction and Rochdale. Suppose you could also include the on-viaduct section from Cornbrook to Deansgate-Castlefield.
 
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Was it not the case that the 3rd rail electrification was comparatively recent? I travelled on it 1970 and I think I remember it was still diesel. And, in the 1960s I remember walking alongside a boarded track going into Stratford shed and was surprised to encounter a passenger dmu presumably heading for Stratford LL.
Would it date from the closure of Broad Street in the 1980s and the need to divert the Richmond trains somewhere.
I have it at 13th May 1985 for Dalston Kingsland to North Woolwich. Just overlapping by a year with Broad Street which closed 27 June 1986.
The extension to North Woolwich introduced a new 11kV grid connection at Maiden Lane around the St Pancras area, and at West Ham. The rest of the infrastructure westwards dating back all the way to 1916 and supplied by a power station at Stonebridge Park. Maiden Lane 11kV still exists powering the just Highbury DC substation for the Windrush Line, and is a backup for the Watford DC.
Not to forget that Willesdan Junction to Earls Court via Kensington Olympia had been electrified on the 4 rail system by the LNWR/LMS. Bomb damage led to its withdrawal in 1940.
I think this makes the West London Line entirely unique in that it was de-electrified but remained in some kind of passenger use after that, which I don't think any other line has done that - let alone to get re-electrified many years later.
 

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I think this makes the West London Line entirely unique in that it was de-electrified but remained in some kind of passenger use after that, which I don't think any other line has done that - let alone to get re-electrified many years later.

Thanks. Tyneside?
The Holcombe Brook branch was de-electrified and reverted to steam but the original electrification was perhaps experimental.
 

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Thanks. Tyneside?
The Holcombe Brook branch was de-electrified and reverted to steam but the original electrification was perhaps experimental.
Yes...the North and South Tyneside lines which were de-electrified from third rail to diesel, before being de-electrified on the overhead system as part of the Metro network.
 

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Information taken from "Disused Stations" website by Nick Catford.
After withdrawal of regular passenger services between Clapham Junction to Willesden Junction in 1940 the line was used by special services. An un-advertised passenger service operated during Monday- Friday peak hours between Clapham Junction-Kensington Olympia which was steam worked until July 1967 (I travelled on it). Special passenger trains continued to use the line. Motorail services were later introduced from Kensington Olympia to several destinations. In 1986 some inter-regional passenger services were introduced. The full regular electrified passenger service between Clapham Junction to Willesden Junction was introduced in May 1994. To be exact it reopened the short section between Mitre Bridge Junction to Willesden Junction (High Level) which had not seen a passenger service since 1940. I cannot find any reference to a DEMU service between Willesden Junction to Kensington Olympia as the article states it was electrified in 1993 to provide access for Eurostar services to North Pole Depot.
Finally I must admit that the West London Line had a complicated history.
That website might say that, but it doesn't make it true !!

However Soi's video clearly points out it was a DMU service between WJ and CJ ( Dated January 1995). I should know, I travelled on it on quite a few occasions when shed bashing OC and WN and again when it finally switched to Class 313 operation.

Note: I never said there was a DEMU service from/to Willesden Junction !
Please go back and reread my post ! A DEMU was known to be occasionally turned out on the Kenny Bell service which I and others have mentioned up thread.
 
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Thanks. Tyneside?
Oh yeah I completely forgot about that, somewhat more substantial the just half of the West London line. However there is the small caveat that it did not become "mainline".
There is perhaps another limited example of the old Newport (Teeside) to Shildon line that was electrified 1.5kV DC OLE in 1916 until de-electrification in 1935. Some small bits of the route that the electrification took are still in passenger use like Shildon-Aycliffe and some bits of the freight only line through Stillington. But this is example is very limited in that there was never an electric passenger service.
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The Holcombe Brook branch was de-electrified and reverted to steam but the original electrification was perhaps experimental.
Didn't know about this one, reminds me of Southport to Meols Cop that was de-electrified at some point but remains with a passenger service today
 

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Indeed. But I think they came after the Dover service.
I can remember doing an All Line Rover in 1986 and IIRC travelled on the Dover service from Watford Junction to Bromley South. I think back then it was 1 service each way per day with the service expanded the following timetable change. However, as I don't have my old timetables anymore to check I could be slightly out.
 

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The Holcombe Brook branch was de-electrified and reverted to steam but the original electrification was perhaps experimental.
Believe the Holcombe Brook branch had an experimental 3,500v DC overhead system for a few years after 1913 and then a 1200v DC third rail system from 1918 until sometime in the early 1950s. But the line has been closed / disused for some 60 years now, so surely it has to be out of scope for the purposes of this thread.
 
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