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How big is Macclesfield depot, as isnt it that big (about 15 buses when Arriva it ?)
Also im surprised they haven't done any major network reviews inCheshire,,since Arriva left (apart for merging the 2 and 10, and introducing a Sunday service

Cheshire East Council did a network review in 2024 and D&G appear to do regular reviews of their services (often in conjunction with councils who fund many of their services to some degree) such as the ones mentioned on this thread on 30th March and 13th April.

I also recall a D&G review in 2024 where they cancelled the Nantwich local services and asked for additional funding from Cheshire East Council to run a number of Macclesfield based services.
 
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Cheshire East Council did a network review in 2024 and D&G appear to do regular reviews of their services (often in conjunction with councils who fund many of their services to some degree) such as the ones mentioned on this thread on 30th March and 13th April.
You mean the changes on which are to services which are either fully tendered, or are changes to the sections of the route which are propped up with BSIP funding from the council? How you count that as D&G doing service reviews I don't know.

I also recall a D&G review in 2024 where they cancelled the Nantwich local services and asked for additional funding from Cheshire East Council to run a number of Macclesfield based services.
The Nantwich review was done by Cheshire East as part of their BSIP funding and were changes being made to existing fully tendered routes. The additional funding that they were requesting was additional funding on top of existing tenders.

I'm not sure what people aren't seeing here, but D&G run basically nothing in Cheshire fully commercially. Almost every single route they have is fully tendered, gets a good chunk, or propped up with BSIP funding in some way. And the bits that D&G do run commercially, barely change other than when they want to make the routes worse. If Cheshire West and Cheshire East stopped the money taps tomorrow, D&Gs would be left with around 5-8 routes.
 

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Centrebus Group have recently acquired 2x 69 plate MMC's but they're the 8.9m variant. YX69 NUC and NUE. Unsure where in the group they're going to go exactly.
They have appeared at Macclesfield depot, as 5023 & 5024. (Photos taken from Centrebus, Chaserider, D&G and Select bus enthusiasts) on Facebook. Facebook Group
 

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Theyve also painted one of the 84X buses into the new livery. Not sure why unless they're planning to abandon the route
 

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Theyve also painted one of the 84X buses into the new livery. Not sure why unless they're planning to abandon the route
They were both generally quite battered and due to 123 being involved in a crash, rear end damage. They decided they were going to repaint both of them into the D&G colours. I suppose it's for consistency of the fleet? As the 84x were always dotted about to be fair it was only half of the time both buses were actually on the right route.
 

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I'm hoping the Leighton Link buses will get a repaint cos not only are there Sunday buses on the route now (bus has "Monday to Saturday" written on), but the 12A and 13 exist now also.
 

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I'm hoping the Leighton Link buses will get a repaint cos not only are there Sunday buses on the route now (bus has "Monday to Saturday" written on), but the 12A and 13 exist now also.
Yes, they will be getting repainted at some point as the Leighton Link brand will no longer continue. One example would be 46 which has been taken out of the colours but that was due to crash damage again. It'd be nice to see them all repainted though yes but I assume it's if they can get space at the paint shop for them and whether they can keep them out of service for long enough to even paint them.
 

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I'm not sure what people aren't seeing here, but D&G run basically nothing in Cheshire fully commercially. Almost every single route they have is fully tendered, gets a good chunk, or propped up with BSIP funding in some way. And the bits that D&G do run commercially, barely change other than when they want to make the routes worse. If Cheshire West and Cheshire East stopped the money taps tomorrow, D&Gs would be left with around 5-8 routes.
Alternatively, something that you aren't seeing is that much of D&G's territory is stuff that was abandoned by other companies. First used to have a large depot in Crewe (across two yards) - gone as part of an ongoing retreat since the early 2000s which is what led to D&G's emergence. They expanded further courtesy of Arriva's decline and subsequent abandonment of the entire area.

D&G aren't a stellar operator (and I don't think anyone is suggesting they are) but then again, it's not as if Cheshire is prime bus territory either. Aside from the 84, it wasn't as if Stagecoach rushed in to replace Arriva.
 

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Aren't the 12, 37 and 38 commercial during the daytime with only the Evening/Sunday provision being supported?

Given that D&G previously abandoned commercial Sunday provision on the 8, 12, 38 and 84x it does make you wonder what will happen to the current tranche of Sunday services if/when the funding runs out.
Can anyone recall, was the 85 operated commercially when it last ran on a Sunday? Interestingly, no attempt has been made to reintroduce a Sunday service on that route since it was withdrawn back in February 2022. Then again would that be something that Cheshire East Council would more likely fund or would it need Staffordshire Council to provide funding?
 

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If Cheshire east and west stopped funding for bus services in Cheshire most services would disappear. This would be the case regardless of operator, if D&G decided to pull out of Cheshire whichever company came in to run the routes would require the same funding D&G do. There is simply no money in the bus industry anymore.
 

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If Cheshire east and west stopped funding for bus services in Cheshire most services would disappear. This would be the case regardless of operator, if D&G decided to pull out of Cheshire whichever company came in to run the routes would require the same funding D&G do. There is simply no money in the bus industry anymore.
I think I read somewhere that 75% of routes in Cheshire East are subsidised.
 

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Didn't seem much use when the 5 Hanley-Abbey Hulton was running around in a Buxton-Manchester airport livery the other day!
 

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Aren't the 12, 37 and 38 commercial during the daytime with only the Evening/Sunday provision being supported?
Still funding going to them. If the funding dropped, you wouldn't have much of a service left commercially.

Can anyone recall, was the 85 operated commercially when it last ran on a Sunday? Interestingly, no attempt has been made to reintroduce a Sunday service on that route since it was withdrawn back in February 2022. Then again would that be something that Cheshire East Council would more likely fund or would it need Staffordshire Council to provide funding?
I think part of it is that the 85 isn't that strong of a route. Crewe to Nantwich is alright but it's not amazing with lots of growth potential. Crewe to Newcastle is a lot of fields. The other routes which are getting funding provide services to areas which are a lot more dense, have a higher level of usage generally and provide useful links between the most major towns in the region.

This would be the case regardless of operator, if D&G decided to pull out of Cheshire whichever company came in to run the routes would require the same funding D&G do. There is simply no money in the bus industry anymore.
Not quite, most other companies with such a large network would run more things commercially rather than just scrounge. D&G couldn't care less for attracting new customers and have put in such low effort for years, it's no wonder that they get little reward. The 84X, what have they done to attract people to the route in the past 18 months? Sod all except change the times to be just ahead of Stagecoach. What have they done for years on the 12 to encourage people to use them over Arriva? Sod all. What did they do to attract people onto their 38 over Arrivas 38 when they were competing? A leaflet and branded buses that lasted not long then they just threw any old tat out and leaflets stopped.
Competing routes and they put in such little effort it's unreal and no wonder they need so much taxpayers funding to prop them up. Wouldn't any operator if they put in as little effort into running services as D&G do?

The Leighton Link buses have been branded for ten years, so your comment is quite blatantly incorrect!
The 38 branding didn't last long and nor did the 82 branding. I seem to remember other brandings haven't lasted long in the past either. And I did say "rarely lasts long" specifically because I know the Leighton Link is an exception to the seeming rule.
 

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Aren't the 12, 37 and 38 commercial during the daytime with only the Evening/Sunday provision being supported?

Given that D&G previously abandoned commercial Sunday provision on the 8, 12, 38 and 84x it does make you wonder what will happen to the current tranche of Sunday services if/when the funding runs out.
Can anyone recall, was the 85 operated commercially when it last ran on a Sunday? Interestingly, no attempt has been made to reintroduce a Sunday service on that route since it was withdrawn back in February 2022. Then again would that be something that Cheshire East Council would more likely fund or would it need Staffordshire Council to provide funding?
The Sunday 85 was subsidised for years and my recollection was that one authority paid for weekday evening buses and the other for Sundays.

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If Cheshire east and west stopped funding for bus services in Cheshire most services would disappear. This would be the case regardless of operator, if D&G decided to pull out of Cheshire whichever company came in to run the routes would require the same funding D&G do. There is simply no money in the bus industry anymore.
I saw some figures a few years ago listing bus use per head of population and Cheshire East was something like 4th lowest in the whole of England.
 

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Alternatively, something that you aren't seeing is that much of D&G's territory is stuff that was abandoned by other companies. First used to have a large depot in Crewe (across two yards) - gone as part of an ongoing retreat since the early 2000s which is what led to D&G's emergence. They expanded further courtesy of Arriva's decline and subsequent abandonment of the entire area.

D&G aren't a stellar operator (and I don't think anyone is suggesting they are) but then again, it's not as if Cheshire is prime bus territory either. Aside from the 84, it wasn't as if Stagecoach rushed in to replace Arriva.
Probably as Stagecoach dont have a garage in the Crewe area, only near Chester (and Rock Ferry on the Wirral)
 

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I saw some figures a few years ago listing bus use per head of population and Cheshire East was something like 4th lowest in the whole of England.
It's worse than that!

Cheshire East has the second lowest passenger journeys per capita in England. Only Rutland is lower. And before anyone then says... ah, well that's testimony to how bad D&G are... in 2010, it was still the 4th lowest ahead of Rutland, Central Beds and Wokingham. Aside from bits of Crewe, the rest is fairly affluent, low density rural operation.
 

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I always think route branding works even if they're on the wrong route it's still advertising what the company run and it's frequency
It would be nice to see something like the nines but in Cheshire, however I'm unsure how and whether that'd even work.
 

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First day of the 37 shorts run by Macclesfield with 5023 and 5024. Both of the MMC's look really good however they're still in white so I'm sure they may get painted soon, but I am unsure based on 5013 and 5014 still being in white after a long time. The 37 shorts seem to be quite popular from what I've seen but they've allowed 40 minutes from Middlewich to Sandbach which does seem ridiculous but I assume it's to keep them 30 minutes apart from the normal 37..

Overall, it seems to be doing well so far as I've seen quite a few people on the route and positive feedback on community groups. I myself am due to take a look at them and see how the buses are, I assume due to them being Allison MMC's they should be pretty good.
 

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