Great Northern Class 387/1 - fitment of Alstom onboard ETCS

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Don’t forget the recent tender for GWR EMUs was for 30 x 4 car sets, there’s currently 33 x 4 car 387s on lease to GWR so whatever the outcome of that tender is/was means there will be at least 3 x 387 surplus.

Without wanting to stray off topic too much (although it's relevant if it directly impacts the GN 387s which are the subject of this thread), do we know the outcome of that tender yet?

 

[HamworthyGoods]

Which would make sense, but minus removing the last /2, didn’t think Great Northern needed any more 387s in all honesty.

Presumably allows a couple of 387/2s to transfer to Brighton and bin off a couple more 313 diagrams.

On the other post people think it’s going to be a huge cascade to kill 313s involving 379s, in reality Southern will just keep on chipping away at the diagrams till there’s none left.

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Without wanting to stray off topic too much (although it's relevant if it directly impacts the GN 387s which are the subject of this thread), do we know the outcome of that tender yet?

Not seen anything, but it’s fairly safe to assume they’ll be a minimum of 3 x 387s surplus.

 

[43102EMR]

Presumably allows a couple of 387/2s to transfer to Brighton and bin off a couple more 313s.

On the other post people think it’s going to be a huge cascade to kill 313s involving 379s, in reality Southern will just keep on chipping away at the diagrams till there’s none left.

There’s only one /2 left with GN, 387201. Guess anything else for them is a bonus for multiple working/spare unit purposes.

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Without wanting to stray off topic too much (although it's relevant if it directly impacts the GN 387s which are the subject of this thread), do we know the outcome of that tender yet?

GWR recently issued a maintenance contract for the 387s, so safe to assume at least 30 are staying put.

 

[HamworthyGoods]

There’s only one /2 left with GN, 387201. Guess anything else for them is a bonus for multiple working/spare unit purposes.

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GWR issued a maintenance contract for the 387s, so safe to assume at least 30 are staying put.

Logically that 387/2 will then join its friends south of the river and another 313 diagram bites the dust!

 

[Siemens Staines]

Posted elsewhere that the number of 313 diagrams reduces from 13 to 9 with the December timetable change, so 12 fewer vehicles. Three 387s is 12 vehicles, so if the three surplus to GWR move to GTR for an internal cascade (GN/GX/SN) to replace those 12 vehicles, then it all balances, but I have probably added two and two and got five?

 

[zwk500]

Posted elsewhere that the number of 313 diagrams reduces from 13 to 9 with the December timetable change, so 12 fewer vehicles. Three 387s is 12 vehicles, so if the three surplus to GWR move to GTR for an internal cascade (GN/GX/SN) to replace those 12 vehicles, then it all balances, but I have probably added two and two and got five?

Are GTR definitely looking to get rid of the 313s then?

 

[43102EMR]

Are GTR definitely looking to get rid of the 313s then?

Originally meant to be replaced by the SE 377s next month, however the 707 transfer has delayed this.

 

[Siemens Staines]

My error, I have just re-read the 313 thread again and it is three diagrams they lose with the timetable change, not four. This was confirmed only last Saturday, so I presume this must be independent of any ex SE 377s, which has been known for months won't be happening due to the 701s etc. If 313s lose diagrams, but the same number of units remain operational, then this would seem profligate in todays financial environment. I would have thought it more likely that some 313s remain with GTR as spare parts donors for the rest of the fleet, so GTR may not have got rid of them, but they would be unlikely to ever work again either. The thread says the three diagrams will be 377s, so 387s from GWR to GN, for 387 to SN/GX, for 377 to replace 313, or some alternative permutation, would seem plausible?

I am not entirely sure how GWR cope with three fewer units, but there must have been a plan for 30 4-car units when the tender was issued. In practice, it is only two fewer units because 387174 had been out of service for 90% of the past year during which time GWR effectively only had 32 units to operate the current diagrams.

 

[43102EMR]

My error, I have just re-read the 313 thread again and it is three diagrams they lose with the timetable change, not four. This was confirmed only last Saturday, so I presume this must be independent of any ex SE 377s, which has been known for months won't be happening due to the 701s etc. If 313s lose diagrams, but the same number of units remain operational, then this would seem profligate in todays financial environment. I would have thought it more likely that some 313s remain with GTR as spare parts donors for the rest of the fleet, so GTR may not have got rid of them, but they would be unlikely to ever work again either. The thread says the three diagrams will be 377s, so 387s from GWR to GN, for 387 to SN/GX, for 377 to replace 313, or some alternative permutation, would seem plausible?

I am not entirely sure how GWR cope with three fewer units, but there must have been a plan for 30 4-car units when the tender was issued. In practice, it is only two fewer units because 387174 had been out of service for 90% of the past year during which time GWR effectively only had 32 units to operate the current diagrams.

If 174 is indeed one of the ones going to GN, I’m surprised it never moved straight away from Ilford to Hornsey; that’s one thing perplexing me about this potential move.

 

[FGW_DID]

I wouldn't be suprised if the 12 HeX and 2 GWR 387s got changed to Alstom ETCS should they ever leave HeX.

Only the 12 HEX 387 had ETCS fitted. None of the ‘Green Fleet’ are fitted.

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I am not entirely sure how GWR cope with three fewer units, but there must have been a plan for 30 4-car units when the tender was issued. In practice, it is only two fewer units because 387174 had been out of service for 90% of the past year during which time GWR effectively only had 32 units to operate the current diagrams.

387172, 173 & 174 are the likely candidates.
There’ll be a couple of 387 working diagrams disappearing, whether all those workings will just be absorbed into the remaining 387 diagrams or end up with another traction I don’t know!

 

[Energy]

Only the 12 HEX 387 had ETCS fitted. None of the ‘Green Fleet’ are fitted.

Thought the plan was 2 green 387s as well, I don't remember seeing any changes to this.

 

[FGW_DID]

Thought the plan was 2 green 387s as well, I don't remember seeing any changes to this.

May have been mooted at the start but definitely didn’t happen.

 

[D365]

As per my previous comment, the remaining GWR 387s (i.e. those that didn’t get the Heathrow conversion) will eventually be fitted with Alstom ETCS.

 

[Fincra5]

As per my previous comment, the remaining GWR 387s (i.e. those that didn’t get the Heathrow conversion) will eventually be fitted with Alstom ETCS.

Which makes sense for the extension of ETCS to Pad!

 

[Southern Dvr]

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5Q39 CANCELLED

Believed to be a defect on 387101

 

[377electrostar]

5Q39 CANCELLED

Believed to be a defect on 387101

I was on a 717 returning to Moorgate and caught it at Harringay Up Rev Sdgs where it was parked. The pantograph was up and 57 310 was not in sight.

 

[Southern Dvr]

I was on a 717 returning to Moorgate and caught it at Harringay Up Rev Sdgs where it was parked. The pantograph was up and 57 310 was not in sight.

57310 left the building on this

 

[Pep and co]

Any further updates regarding 387101?
Will it be making the journey to Derby at all now?

Thanks for any updates

 

[Fincra5]

Any further updates regarding 387101?
Will it be making the journey to Derby at all now?

Thanks for any updates

No idea! Can't see any Path.
But doesn't mean one can't be created...

 

[Southern Dvr]

Any further updates regarding 387101?
Will it be making the journey to Derby at all now?

Thanks for any updates

Still shows as ‘Defect’ and in Hornsey on 4 Road

 

[PointA Rail]

I was on a 717 returning to Moorgate and caught it at Harringay Up Rev Sdgs where it was parked. The pantograph was up and 57 310 was not in sight.

Yes, 57310 after arriving with 379018, it left Hornsey Depot on 0Q39 about 45 mins after scheduled departure. Not sure where it went to though as I stopped following it on Traksy after passing Hitchin, presumably to Peterborough or Leicester Depot.

 

[Southern Dvr]

Yes, 57310 after arriving with 379018, it left Hornsey Depot on 0Q39 about 45 mins after scheduled departure. Not sure where it went to though as I stopped following it on Traksy after passing Hitchin, presumably to Peterborough or Leicester Depot.

Leicester L.I.P

 

[Class455]

No idea! Can't see any Path.
But doesn't mean one can't be created...

Can confirm it has not made it to Derby sadly

 

[St. Paddy]

Apparently 101 was moved to Derby yesterday by 57303 following an exam at Hornsey.

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[GEC465]

Apparently 101 was moved to Derby yesterday by 57303 following an exam at Hornsey.

Realtime Trains | 5Q42 1419 Hornsey E.M.U.D. to Derby Litchurch Lane | 13/08/2025

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Bit late for the gathering

 

[St. Paddy]

Bit late for the gathering

At least there’s some space now

 

[Intercity_225]

Hello! As I'm sure alot of you know 387101 has been gone for a couple of years for ETCS training. However, I'm unsure where it is now. Is it at Derby Litchurch Lane, Old Dalby or even at Hornsey? Cheers

 

[800001]

Hello! As I'm sure alot of you know 387101 has been gone for a couple of years for ETCS training. However, I'm unsure where it is now. Is it at Derby Litchurch Lane, Old Dalby or even at Hornsey? Cheers

I believe it to still beat Old Dalby.
@Joel_1902 can you advise?

 

[Intercity_225]

I believe it to still beat Old Dalby.

Thanks alot

 

[St. Paddy]

Nearly 3.5 years since it first left Hornsey. I wonder if they’ll ever get it to work with the ETCS