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Excessive counter delays also hit in Italy, at Florence, where there were ticket machines for long distance expresses to Rome but not I could see for a local trip to Pisa, with a queue mixed in with international tourists with difficult questions such that we missed not just the next Pisa train but the one after that as well
There are plenty of Trenitalia ticket machines at Firenze SMN, which will sell you a ticket from anywhere to anywhere in one of six different languages....as well as audibly advising you to beware of pickpockets in your chosen language. They are located in the middle of the main booking hall - opposite the ticket windows - and also in a small side room off the concourse opposite platforms 6-9.
I found myself in the massive queue at Florence because I needed a FIP rate ticket (not available at a TVM). Nearly missed the train to Siena and therefore a very infrequent bus to where we were staying. Rest of the family were on Interrail passes so didn't have an issue.
If my wife and I find ourselves in that situation - at any Trenitalia station - we just buy child tickets from the machines. It's the same price as an FIP ticket and we've only once had it queried by a conductor when showing our FIP cards during an inspection....and that was in Sicily eight years ago. I carefully explained the concept to a rather curmudgeonly elderly Capo Treno....and he just shrugged his shoulders and wandered off muttering something incomprehensible in Sicilian dialect!
 
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If my wife and I find ourselves in that situation - at any Trenitalia station - we just buy child tickets from the machines. It's the same price as an FIP ticket
Is that still true now that each region can set their own fares?
 

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There are plenty of Trenitalia ticket machines at Firenze SMN, which will sell you a ticket from anywhere to anywhere in one of six different languages....as well as audibly advising you to beware of pickpockets in your chosen language. They are located in the middle of the main booking hall - opposite the ticket windows - and also in a small side room off the concourse opposite platforms 6-9.
If those are the several machines (painted red?) located as described, I gave them considerable attention while the family were inching forward, and came to the conclusion they only sold long distance tickets.
 

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An example of how non-customer friendly the French system can be:

Last Friday I made a journey from Basel to Luxembourg, which involved a TER (Basel to Mulhouse), then a TGV (Mulhouse to Metz), and finally another TER (Metz to Luxembourg). The entire trip was booked in a single transaction via the SNCF Connect app, but I received 3 separate tickets for the 3 legs.

The TGV was 10 minutes late arriving in Metz, as a result of which I missed my connection and had to wait for the next one, arriving an hour late in Luxembourg. I went onto the SNCF ToutOUI platform to see if I could claim delay repay, only to get the message "Compensation is not available for this journey, please contact the operator". From my customer point of view "the operator" is SNCF, and I was already in contact with them.

The SNCF chatbot was no more helpful, giving me a long list of TER, Intercités, InOUI, and Ouigo policies that seemed completely independent of each other, with no links between them.

Confusing even for someone like me who speaks fluent French - I'm sure there is a way to get compensation, but I can't be bothered to fight the system as the amount involved is very small. It just doesn't seem to be set up to handle cases such as a 10-minute delay to a TGV that results in arriving 60 minutes late on a TER.
 

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If those are the several machines (painted red?) located as described, I gave them considerable attention while the family were inching forward, and came to the conclusion they only sold long distance tickets.
Are you sure you weren't looking at Italo ticket machines?
 

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Is that still true now that each region can set their own fares?
Yes....but this is accounted for by the ticket machines.
If those are the several machines (painted red?) located as described, I gave them considerable attention while the family were inching forward, and came to the conclusion they only sold long distance tickets.
Are you sure you weren't looking at Italo ticket machines?
Yes....the maroon-coloured machines with the Italo branding are purely for the long-distance high-speed services of open-access operator Nuovo Trasporto Viaggiatori. The scarlet-orange-coloured machines are for all Trenitalia services....although there are a few dedicated machines for Trenitalia's Frecciarossa high-speed services near the entrances to platforms 9-12.
 

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It isn't the dominant operator, rather it's the fare-setting operator. Coventry to Rugby is compliant, as West Midlands Trains set the inter available fare so cannot set a TOC specific walk up fare, Avanti have their own which they are allowed to do. The purpose is to stop them setting the inter available fare to something ridiculously high then bringing in a TOC specific one much lower which would be abuse of their position as it would adversely affect the other operator(s) and not be fair competition.

There are odd places where it isn't compliant - there's the classic exception of London to Gatwick, and another is Milton Keynes Central to Euston where there are dedicated fares for both TOCs, but I *believe* that happened because originally Virgin West Coast were fare-setter so there were dedicated Silverlink (now WMT) Only fares, but then the fare setter changed to Silverlink/London Midland (whenever it was) and so Virgin West Coast Only fares were added, but Silverlink/London Midland were able to keep theirs as they already existed but not add any new ones.

Advances, however, are always allowed. This would be one reason Northern like them - they mostly set the fares on their routes and so can't introduce TOC specific walk up fares.

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Yes, First Class is fully commercial so they can do what they like.
Ah I misunderstood this to be referring to any ORCATS raid where the TOC specific fare is 10p cheaper than the any permitted. Even more egregious is Coventry to bham where the fare setter is WMT but the Avanti trains are
faster and therefore seem like the premium option (they are for journeys to London). Being charged *less* for Avanti only is baffling until you realise it's actually a useless ticket that's just there to trick people choosing cheapest.

Preventing the fare setter for a route also setting TOC specific fares is sensible.
 

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It isn't the dominant operator, rather it's the fare-setting operator.

Yes I realised that after I wrote it (though presumably in most cases they will be the same).

There are odd places where it isn't compliant - there's the classic exception of London to Gatwick,

I presume that one is also historical - I seem to recall that it was used as a trial for privatisation.
 

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There are odd places where it isn't compliant - there's the classic exception of London to Gatwick, and another is Milton Keynes Central to Euston where there are dedicated fares for both TOCs, but I *believe* that happened because originally Virgin West Coast were fare-setter so there were dedicated Silverlink (now WMT) Only fares, but then the fare setter changed to Silverlink/London Midland (whenever it was) and so Virgin West Coast Only fares were added, but Silverlink/London Midland were able to keep theirs as they already existed but not add any new ones.
This presumably also explains the weird situation where Avanti only is cheaper to MKC (at least on super off peaks) but LNWR only is cheaper to everywhere else.
 

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Indeed, upon checking, VR's TVM was showing incorrect fares for a journey... for reasons unknown it wasn't showing the full range of tickets, thus overcharging by almost double.
Exactly the same in Germany recently. The TVMs were either not showing (Super)Sparpreis at all or, if they were, not the Senior rate ones. No problem buying them on the DB Navigator app but anyone without that or not in the know would have been charged double, or more, than the cheapest valid fare.
 

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Indeed, upon checking, VR's TVM was showing incorrect fares for a journey... for reasons unknown it wasn't showing the full range of tickets, thus overcharging by almost double.
Oversimplifying a bit, but there's not really a range of point to point ticket options on VR* and the price is the same through all sales channels. I use the TVMs regularly as my usual method, so this sounds like an error, possibly with multiple tickets selected or inadvertently comparing different times/dates.

*There are smartcards, local tickets, seasons, Interrail etc. but not something you'd expect to be offered when looking at a single journey. Flexibility is sold as an add-on to the base price, otherwise tickets are non-refundable but changeable for a €5 fee
 
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It's not hard to have a more heavily staffed railway in a country where wages are very low.

Don’t forget staff pension liabilities for Western countries’ (mostly state run/owned) railway employees. That is, if they are even fully funded…

But now, back to your regular scheduled programming…
 

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Looks to me as non-Brit that this thread is a bit derailing on minor British-exBR/ATOC details. Enough other forum branches for that.
As for the original question a specific case as I was looking into - perhaps/maybe - visit there again.
Mainland CHINA has chosen quite another way to let the ever rising nr of passengers come on their ever rising network of Hi-Speed trains - and that is just by your ID or passport for the big/white noses. You have to register of course first -and then your passpt does not become a magic all-lines Rover, but only allows you in via the gates if you have also booked a trip in the allotted time. There is of course a national site to book - 12306, but out of China and for those nasty gwaylo it seems always ´sorry overbusy´ - so turn to 1 of many resalers - just as so often with airlines. Compared to my last visit the frequency and speed has massively increased but there are still dire warnings that one has to book as soon as it opens - now 15 days ahead. But that seemed a bit overcautious - as I was checking possible routings for 3-4 days onward - main objective to visit as much as can fit in new tramway systems-mostly in medium sized towns-of perhaps just less as 1 million people. Seat61 has a nice explanation of how it works.
To exit via the new line into LAOS (pay visa as entry - 40US$) - with just 3 -4 trains/day on it, stations all 10/15 KMs away from the towns they say to serve - and bookings only open 3 or 4 days ahead - common advice is to make it easy and let a local agent or placeyoustay all organise it - including the minivan to/fro station. My last visit there was when they were just building that line. Plenty of Laotian people working mildly illegal here in Bangkok too.
 

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I completely agree. Sweden also gets my vote for the worst country for purchasing tickets. It is by far the most unfriendly railway for ticket purchases in the world. It is like they have purposely tried to make buying a ticket as hard as possible.

SJ have gotten rid of all ticket offices and all ticket machines and all onboard sales. To purchase a ticket you have to go to a supermarket or convinience shop. Sometimes you have to walk a good distance from the station to find a shop that sells tickets. Then the service in the shop varies and some staff take ages to work out how to sell one. I have sometimes spent twenty or thirty minutes in these shops while the cashier works out how to sell one. It is a nightmare. I do like travelling by train when i visit Sweden but the hassle of buying a train ticket always makes me wish i had drove.

SJ also seem to have no fixed walk up prices and the fares are entirely dynamic meaning you have no idea what your fare will cost and it can be different from one day to the next and from one train to the next. I can understand having dynamic priced advances but no fixed price walk up fares at all is crazy. Even their shorter distance SJ Regional local trains seem to be like this.

Some of the private local regional train operators still have fixed prices (normally based on zones) and still sell tickets from the guard onboard but in card only. If you want to pay in cash then again you have to go to some local shop. Only two train operators (Inlandsbanan and Snalltaget) still accept cash for ticket sales onboard. VY Norge still accept cash too on the Oslo to Gothenberg to Malmo route but only in NOK even for Swedish domestic journeys.
While undoubtedly having some of the worst ticketing for long-distance travelling, Sweden has the some of the best ticketing for local or commuter trains.

This argument does contain many caveats, and those coming from countries that aren't as reliant on mobile phone apps and bank cards for travel may have a harder time figuring things out, but if you can get the various apps to work, ticketing for travel within or to neighbouring counties on local trains (at least in Southern Sweden) is exceptional. I understand that this is easier said than done for some, but in Sweden, services are generally much more reliant on you having a card or mobile phone than in the UK, so this is more of a cultural difference in the country, rather than public transport being particularly obtrusive.

The first major caveat is the lack of a centralised mobile app, and while you can at least book tickets to neighbouring counties with each county app, this is still an area that needs a lot of improvement in Sweden. The next caveat before my main point is that none of the ticketing I describe below applies to the long-distance high-speed rail services whose tickets are not bookable within county apps, so for tourists travelling long distances in Sweden, none of the following three paragraphs will be relevant.

In Scania (Skåne in Swedish) - which is the county on the southern tip closest to Copenhagen - and other surrounding counties, tickets are solely based on zones with no restrictions based on time, or mode of transport or direction travelled, and once tickets are bought, they can be activated at any time for use. The zonal element to these tickets means that they aren't tied to any specific itinerary, so the more genrously timed 'single' tickets can often be used for return journeys if you only need to make a quick stop at your destination. There are also no return tickets, which are instead replaced with a 24-hour ticket that's quite sensibly twice the cost of a single ticket. I find these very handy, and while some single tickets are more expensive than I'd like, these 24-hour tickets offer very good value for money, and even more so when travelling with others, as there's a 25% discount when purchasing a ticket that is valid for use by multiple people.

An example of a benefit of this ticketing system, is that the zonal aspect allows you to - say if there is any disruption or delay with your intended itinerary - opt for a regional bus service for part or all of your journey while using your same ticket. This approach also incentivises passengers to use the most convenient and quickest option for their journey, like faster regional Öresundståg services (the regional service linking Malmö/Gothernburg to Copenhagen via the Öresund Bridge) where possible, leaving slower commuter trains to do what they're actually meant to do, instead of also transporting passengers that have been priced off of a faster regional train (see virtually any long distance LNWR service as an example).

Another point (not so much about the ticketing itself) is that the transport authority apps are very good at offering helpful valid itineraries for journeys, and are so good that I don't bother using my usual way finding apps of Citymapper or Google Maps when here, and only use the Skånetrafiken app for wayfinding that involves public transport. It's useful to have an integrated app that I can buy tickets through, that can show correct itineraries for travel that involves multiple modes, and the quality of information shown, like live bus and train locations with a map view, puts apps like TfL Go to shame.

Unfortunately though - warning, a rant about SJ is incoming! -, pricing passengers onto a longer more indirect service still occurs between high(er) speed alternatives such as SJ's fast trains, which aren't included in this regional ticketing, and faster regional services like Öresundståg. This may not be a problem among tourists however, as I've noticed that SJ charge heavily overinflated prices for Öresundståg (and don't even show VY trains!) on their ticketing services, so being the official state railway, many unsuspecting tourists that expect the state railway's ticketing service to not actively deceive them, may opt for SJ's services that seem reasonably priced in comparison to the ludicrous prices that they show for some of their competition.

As an example of the point above is that the SJ website believes that any Öresundståg train between Malmö and Gothenburg costs 432 SEK (£35), which makes their more expensive services seem like a decent enough deal at only 595 SEK (£48). However a quick search on my local transit authorities' app shows that a ticket to Gothenburg that is valid for 6hrs and 45 mins, and for travel in all corresponding surrounding zones (i.e allowing you to take a local bus/train to connect to the Öresunståg train in both Malmö and Gothenburg) and is so generously timed that it would be valid for long enough for a rail enthusiast like me to take a return journey to Gothenburg and back, for only 352 SEK (£29)!

The effect is even more pronounced when travelling with multiple people, where a generously timed and less restrictive single ticket between Malmö and Gothenburg using Öresundståg will apparently cost 864 SEK (£74) for two adult travellers on SJ's website, (conveniently more expensive than SJ's own offering!), but only 565 SEK (£45) when paying through Skånetrafiken.

All in all, once you get the hang of it (which I appreciate tourists shouldn't have to do), some of Sweden has virtually perfect local and regional ticketing, but SJ still manage to ruin it for the long-distance services.
 

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lack of online booking of the Japanese bullet train system!
You can book online for the Tokaido Shinkansen through Smart-Ex! Really useful and they do have ‘Advance’ fares which can mean the Green Car is the same price as the ‘Ordinary’. https://smart-ex.jp/en/index.php

India has arguably the most complex fare structures and booking procedures on the planet. There are several classes of accommodation, sometimes 4 or even 5 on one service, a range of tickets, including Wait Listed and Reservation Against Cancellation options. Taktal, essentially late issue fares and also a Foreigner Quota.

Add the often impenetrable official website and huge queues at ticket offices if you decide to do things 'old school.'

It can be lots of fun planning a journey in advance, but very stressful on the day. I recommend https://www.seat61.com/India.htm
as a useful guide for those beginning to cope with the system.
India is the only country I’ve visited where I tried and just totally failed to book tickets. So incredibly frustrating, some staff seemed very helpful sending you across to the ‘correct’ desk with others then just waving you away ‘not my problem’. India is definitely a country I’m glad to have visited but it’s also the only country I’ve ended up booking an earlier flight out.


Back on thread, I think a few other people have hit it on the head. You get used to your local railway and the ticketing arrangements so when you go to a different country with different ways of doing things it can be a small culture change. Once I’ve booked/bought tickets two or three times I’m pretty good at getting the hang of things. Most of Western Europe (and Poland) are now generally very simple. Portugal threw me a curveball, bought tickets but the ticket inspector said I’d bought the wrong one and paid too much, laughed at me and my friend said a few things in Portugese which got a laugh from everyone around us and walked away.
 

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I would say Switzerland has amongst the best ticketing system of any country.

Through fares are available between any two points in the country - including journeys that involve trams, buses, metros or ferries. There's no compulsory reservations, operator-specific ticket nonsense or Open Access operators with separate regimes.

The fare structure is very simple with anytime single leg pricing being the basic point of comparison. Advance-type fares are available but generally only for longer journeys, which is as it should be in my view.

Each area belongs to a "PTE"-equivalent with zonal season and day tickets available. And of course season tickets, including those covering the whole country (Generalabonnement - GA), are quite affordable by British standards let alone Swiss ones.

You can pay for travel simply by swiping in on an app and then swiping out when you're finished with your journey.

Everyone can get the equivalent of a Railcard and prices are essentially set on the assumption that you have one. The cost simply varies depending on your personal circumstances (age etc.).

The only criticism you can really level against it is that fares aren't cheap by international standards. But that mainly affects tourists - for whom Switzerland is an expensive country in general, and so train tickets are simply a reflection of this.
I don't think they do reservations though, which is awkward if there is a group of you
 

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I don't think they do reservations though, which is awkward if there is a group of you

They do reservations for large groups - indeed they are mandatory on Swiss public transport generally for groups of 12 or more, including local buses. I think there may also be individual reservations available on some InterCity services but am not sure.
 

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I don't think they do reservations though, which is awkward if there is a group of you
Reservations are possible in ICs and some IR trains. Usually only in some of the carriages. You'll find though that the Swiss hardly ever make domestic reservations, except for larger groups (not for just 4 people) and maybe around very busy days from/to Ticino.
 

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All in all, once you get the hang of it (which I appreciate tourists shouldn't have to do), some of Sweden has virtually perfect local and regional ticketing, but SJ still manage to ruin it for the long-distance services.

I'd agree with everything in this post - Sweden is rubbish for long-distance ticketing, but within regions is amazing. I travel a lot with Skånetrafiken (the regional transport authority) between Malmö and Arkelstorp - it involves an hour long train ride to Kristianstad and then a 20 minute bus journey. It's all on the same ticket - and if the train is late and I miss the bus (happens 1 time in 10), I get a taxi and send the receipt (digitally) to Skånetrafiken for a full refund. I've always got the money back without any fuss, and if I was more than 20 minutes delayed to the destination I get some of the ticket price back too.

All in all this means the you can rely on public transport here to get you where you're going without you having to foot the bill if something goes wrong.

But having said all that, if I break my phone while I'm in Arkelstorp I'm screwed because the bus back to the train station takes neither cash nor cards.
 

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VR Sweden and Norrtåg confirmed today in local media that on-train sales cease on 14th December. Passengers are directed to Pressbyrån and 7-Eleven stores, of which there are zero within 1km of any railway station in Norrland (apart from maybe Luleå?).

There has been some back-and-forth on this subject in Västerbottens Kuriren, a regional newspaper in the north. Both the following letter and the reply are in Swedish and behind a paywall, so I translate them and paraphrase them here.

Letter: Norrtåg's decision diminishes service for a vulnerable group
1 December 2025
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https://www.vk.se/2025-12-01/insandare-norrtags-beslut-forsamrar-servicen-for-en-utsatt-grupp-08266

Norrtåg is removing the option to pay for your ticket on board starting December 14. I think this is a bad decision.

Not all travellers have the same opportunity to buy their ticket digitally. Those who can already pay in the app or via the website do so already today. Therefore, the decision is aimed at an already vulnerable group in society. In addition, Norrtåg is removing a working alternative when the technology does not work.

Some people have difficulty paying digitally. The reason is not because they don't want to, but because circumstances limit them. It could be due to physical limitations, functional variations, cognitive abilities, age, or poor adaptation to the apps' user interfaces. Or a combination of all factors.

What do we do if the technology fails? When the only place to buy a ticket fails, there is no longer any alternative. This is what we, travellers, experienced during a period this summer. Then there were several problems with, among other things, Swish payments and it took a long time to get feedback on whether the payment had gone through. When the problem was to be solved, communication was poor. A glance at the ratings in any app store shows that many people think the app performs poorly.

I also think Norrtåg should remind themselves of where in the country we are. Imagine a situation where someone is standing at a station in winter, the last train is coming and the battery in their phone has run out. Technical glitches should never be a barrier to boarding a train. There must be sensible and humane alternatives.

Just because other train companies have removed the option to pay on board, Norrtåg does not have to do so. The other train companies often operate in the southern parts of the countries where the routes are both shorter and the communications are better. That is not the case here in the north. Travel should be smooth for all people, not more difficult. Norrtåg should therefore consider withdrawing the decision.

Alexander Andersson, Umeå

Then, a reply, with one paragraph highlighted by me for emphasis.

Reply: Norrtåg leaves no one without an alternative
15 December 2025
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https://www.vk.se/2025-12-15/replik-norrtag-lamnar-ingen-utan-alternativ-23265

We at Norrtåg understand the views raised regarding the change that ticket purchases on board are no longer possible after the 14th of December.

The change does not mean that we leave people without options. On the contrary, we want to emphasise that Norrtåg does not leave anyone in the cold; we want to help and be at hand for all travellers, even those who do not use digital services.

It is still possible to buy a ticket without a mobile phone. By calling our customer service, travellers can get personal help with booking their ticket and have it sent home with an invoice, in the mailbox or as an email. During a transition period, we understand that this is new and will help travellers who accidentally board without a ticket.

The reason for removing on-board sales is primarily that on-board purchases impose special technical requirements that are difficult to maintain in a robust and reliable manner. By moving payments to advance purchase, the risk of technical disruptions in the system is also reduced. At the same time, this is a change that many public transport companies have already made, and for Norrtåg, it means that more time and resources can be freed up for staff on board.

It's true that technology can sometimes go wrong. But we want to be clear: technical glitches should not be a barrier to travel, and we will always do what we can to help travellers when problems arise. Our goal is to make travel easier and safer for everyone.

Emilie Thelander, Communications Manager, Norrtåg AB

"It is still possible to buy a ticket without a mobile phone" - by calling customer service, presumably on a mobile phone, since there are no longer public telephones in Sweden. The option to send an invoice to a home address is offered, but that only works for Swedish residents with a Swedish address and (presumably) a social security number.
 

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There has been some back-and-forth on this subject in Västerbottens Kuriren, a regional newspaper in the north. Both the following letter and the reply are in Swedish and behind a paywall, so I translate them and paraphrase them here.



Then, a reply, with one paragraph highlighted by me for emphasis.



"It is still possible to buy a ticket without a mobile phone" - by calling customer service, presumably on a mobile phone, since there are no longer public telephones in Sweden. The option to send an invoice to a home address is offered, but that only works for Swedish residents with a Swedish address and (presumably) a social security number.
It is ridiculous. Sweden is just getting worse and worse and worse when it comes to purchasing train tickets. Their excuse for removing onboard sales of "technical requirements that are difficult to maintain" sounds like utter nonsense.

Offering to sell tickets by phone only works if you have internet access as they will need to email the ticket to you. Then once they email the ticket to you it means that you will need either a smartphone to show the ticket or a printer to print it out. For people without any internet access then it sounds like they can post it to you but that requires you to plan your journey multiple days in advance. Norrtag run local regional trains used for short journeys and it is likely that many people do not plan their journey until on the day. I know that Sweden has less people without internet access than other countries but that does not mean that they do not exist.

Also this option still excludes people who do not have a bank account. If you do not have a bank account then they are basically giving you zero options. I know that Sweden has less people without bank accounts then other countries but that does not mean that they do not exist. Especially foreign visitors from some countries are more likely to not have a bank account or may be from a country with incompatible banking meaning that they can not use their card. There are some people who have no other options besides using cash. Norrtag are basically excluding these people.

At the very least why can Norrtag not sell tickets in Coop and ICA shops. Almost every town that Norrtag serves has both Coop and ICA shops so that would at least allow more options for purchase. Still not as convinient as buying onboard but at least almost every station has a Coop or ICA within walking distance.

At the moment most towns served by Norrtag have zero shops or physical locations to purchase train tickets. It is laughable that Norrtag are selling tickets at Pressbyran and 711 when there are almost zero branches in the Norrtag operating area. Haparanda, Kalix, Boden, Gallivare, Kiruna, Storlien, are all decent sized towns with nowhere to purchase tickets.

Sweden really needs to introduce laws to mandate that you can purchase public transport tickets in person onboard and in cash. The trains and buses are an essential service so it is exactly the sort of thing that needs such legislation. Most other countries including some fellow highly digital and highly cashless countries like neighbouring Norway make it so much easier to purchase a train ticket.
 

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Gyumri to Yerevan in Armenia was tricky. I couldn't navigate the website so I turned up on the day, and ended up having to show my passport, although I think that was for the luggage locker that was included in the ticket price.

Amazing views of Ararat on the way back though, and much more interaction with local people than when I went in the opposite direction driven by a friend's chauffeur.

The thing that frustrates me the most is flimsy thermal paper tickets. Thank goodness for CCSTs!
 

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Britain is near the top. As the OP says, ignoring prices, Britain's walk-up and season tickets offer a lot of flexibility. In the vast vast majority of cases validity is by flow or zone across all trains. Where all-mode PTE tickets are offered they are valid on all trains. As long as you stick to TOC-agnostic tickets the passengers can be completely TOC-agnostic. Tickets and tap-in/tap-out are by origin-destination, allocation between operators is done by agreed algorithms in the background.

Practices in other countries I don't like

- Germany - 'Berlin wall' between inter-city and regional trains. Passengers on longer regional flows covered by zonal tickets cannot enjoy the full timetable frequency - particularly on flows like Dusseldorf - Dortmund where only the combined timetable is turn-up-and-go
- Netherlands - you have to touch out and back in when changing operators at in places like Hengelo.
- Trenitalia and Eurostar - fares are not origin-destination based - well a change-of-trains journey is offered you are given two separate fares to the two legs which are considerably more expensive than a single fare on a direct train
 

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Has Denmark been mentioned in this thread yet?

As far as I’m aware, every mode of public transport is accessible using their ‘Rejsekort’ (which is now a mobile app rather than a physical card). Using the app is a similar experience to using something like an Oyster or contactless card, in the sense that all you need to do is check-in and check-out at the start and end of your journey.
 

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Gyumri to Yerevan in Armenia was tricky. I couldn't navigate the website so I turned up on the day, and ended up having to show my passport, although I think that was for the luggage locker that was included in the ticket price.

Amazing views of Ararat on the way back though, and much more interaction with local people than when I went in the opposite direction driven by a friend's chauffeur.

The thing that frustrates me the most is flimsy thermal paper tickets. Thank goodness for CCSTs!
Is it? I just got on and paid when asked.
 

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Britain is near the top. As the OP says, ignoring prices, Britain's walk-up and season tickets offer a lot of flexibility. In the vast vast majority of cases validity is by flow or zone across all trains. Where all-mode PTE tickets are offered they are valid on all trains. As long as you stick to TOC-agnostic tickets the passengers can be completely TOC-agnostic. Tickets and tap-in/tap-out are by origin-destination, allocation between operators is done by agreed algorithms in the background.

Practices in other countries I don't like
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- Netherlands - you have to touch out and back in when changing operators at in places like Hengelo. […]

o_O NL is basically a metro network, so yes, tapping in & out when using different operators is the norm
- Scotrail & Subway?
- BR TOC & Tyne & Wear, LU, Mersey Rail or whatever else, let alone three different operators?
In NL they’re all tap & go,
whereas in england…
 

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o_O NL is basically a metro network, so yes, tapping in & out when using different operators is the norm
- Scotrail & Subway?
- BR TOC & Tyne & Wear, LU, Mersey Rail or whatever else, let alone three different operators?
In NL they’re all tap & go,
whereas in england…

Scotrail and Subway are different station complexes. Merseyrail is part of National Rail.

Within London's Contactless area you don't tap out and back in when changing operators within the same station complex, and it's this contactless system that'll be rolled out nationwide (eventually). When changing between National Rail and London Underground at stations like Stratford or Richmond, as long as your whole journey is within the contactless area you just change trains - the back office works out your fare based on your origin / destination alone. The only exception is pink readers for 'avoid zone 1' fares.
 

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Scotrail and Subway are different station complexes. Merseyrail is part of National Rail.

Within London's Contactless area you don't tap out and back in when changing operators within the same station complex, and it's this contactless system that'll be rolled out nationwide (eventually). When changing between National Rail and London Underground at stations like Stratford or Richmond, as long as your whole journey is within the contactless area you just change trains - the back office works out your fare based on your origin / destination alone. The only exception is pink readers for 'avoid zone 1' fares.
all in all, more complicated compared to the way it works in NL
 

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all in all, more complicated compared to the way it works in NL

How is origin-destination tapping more complicated than tapping yellow and then blue readers when changing from yellow to blue train on the same platform?
 
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