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Why did the Democrats, when in office, not release these files if Trump was implicated in wrongdoing?
While the Biden administration was in office, the DOJ argued that disclosures could jeopardise the Ghislaine Maxwell case and subsequent appeals as it was still ongoing. However, by late 2025, the DOJ had officially signalled that there would be no further indictments based on the current files.
 
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While the Biden administration was in office, the DOJ argued that disclosures could jeopardise the Ghislaine Maxwell case and subsequent appeals as it was still ongoing. However, by late 2025, the DOJ had officially signalled that there would be no further indictments based on the current files.
They might not have been able to do it legally, but I find it hard to believe nobody would have leaked it if there was a smoking gun in there.
 

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The Epstein Files Transparency Act does permit names and other details to be redacted if they relate to an active criminal investigation, identify victims or contain images of abuse. That is all quite reasonable, but it depends on who does the redacting and whether the redactions are independently scrutinised. With the way the Department of Justice, and just about every other part of the US government, is now run, one cannot have confidence that they will not be selective in the details that are released, unless they go to very great lengths to prove the impartiality of the selection process. I very much doubt that they will, although I concede that it would have been very difficult to do in the time.
I said some time ago, Trump attempting to launch inquiries into Democrats who may or may not be involved would act as a handy smokescreen to keep a lot of the files classified. And I'm putting money on the "ongoing investigations" being one of the top reasons for the amount withheld and redacted.

Why did the Democrats, when in office, not release these files if Trump was implicated in wrongdoing?
Because its almost certain Democrats are in there too. This is the ultimate Pandora's box for the rich elite & famous. None of them really want this opening.
 

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They might not have been able to do it legally, but I find it hard to believe nobody would have leaked it if there was a smoking gun in there.

It might not be (certainly it should not be) easy to leak potentially 300GB of files to anyone, as that would mean some serious issues within the relevant agencies - and make you wonder how much other data is being leaked.

I am sure we're all hoping that happens now, but I doubt there's a PC in an office somewhere with all the files easily downloadable to a USB flash-drive.. well, actually under this current regime I might be wrong, but I hope I'm not!

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Bill Clinton certainly. I've not seen any mentions of Obama or Biden, and I'm fairly sure their names would be up in lights if there was any hint of them being included.

But he has had his photos released, so does that mean there isn't an active investigation into him?
 

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Administration claiming to be pro-free speech bans people from entering country because of their opinions and actions:


The US State Department said it would deny visas to five people, including a former EU commissioner, for seeking to "coerce" American social media platforms into suppressing viewpoints they oppose.
"These radical activists and weaponized NGOs have advanced censorship crackdowns by foreign states - in each case targeting American speakers and American companies," Secretary of State Marco Rubio said in a statement.
Thierry Breton, the former top tech regulator at the European Commission, suggested that a "witch hunt" was taking place.
Breton was described by the State Department as the "mastermind" of the EU's Digital Services Act (DSA), which imposes content moderation on social media firms.
However, it has angered some US conservatives who see it as seeking to censor right-wing opinions. Brussels denies this.
Breton has clashed with Elon Musk, the world's richest man and owner of X, over obligations to follow EU rules.
The European Commission recently fined X €120m (£105m) over its blue tick badges - the first fine under the DSA. It said the platform's blue tick system was "deceptive" because the firm was not "meaningfully verifying users".
In response, Musk's site blocked the Commission from making adverts on its platform.
Reacting to the visa ban, Breton posted on X: "To our American friends: Censorship isn't where you think it is."
Clare Melford, who leads the UK-based Global Disinformation Index (GDI), was also listed.
US Undersecretary of State Sarah B Rogers accused the GDI of using US taxpayer money "to exhort censorship and blacklisting of American speech and press".
A GDI spokesperson told the BBC that "the visa sanctions announced today are an authoritarian attack on free speech and an egregious act of government censorship".
"The Trump Administration is, once again, using the full weight of the federal government to intimidate, censor, and silence voices they disagree with. Their actions today are immoral, unlawful, and un-American."
Imran Ahmed of the Center for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH), a nonprofit that fights online hate and misinformation, was also handed a ban.
Rogers called Mr Ahmed a "key collaborator with the Biden Administration's effort to weaponize the government against US citizens".
The BBC has reached out to the CCDH for comment.
Also subject to bans were Anna-Lena von Hodenberg and Josephine Ballon of HateAid, a German organisation that the State Department said helped enforce the DSA.
In a statement to the BBC, the two CEOs called it an "act of repression by a government that is increasingly disregarding the rule of law and trying to silence its critics by any means necessary".
"We will not be intimidated by a government that uses accusations of censorship to silence those who stand up for human rights and freedom of expression," they added.
Rubio said that steps had been taken to impose visa restrictions on "agents of the global censorship-industrial complex who, as a result, will be generally barred from entering the United States".
"President Trump has been clear that his America First foreign policy rejects violations of American sovereignty. Extraterritorial overreach by foreign censors targeting American speech is no exception," he added.
 

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Administration claiming to be pro-free speech bans people from entering country because of their opinions and actions:

"President Trump has been clear that his America First foreign policy rejects violations of American sovereignty. Extraterritorial overreach by foreign censors targeting American speech is no exception," he added.
Trump does not agree with free speech unless it's his speech. He has got into trouble in court. He been found to be wrong or guilty in American courts.

And his administration also keeps losing court cases after they break the law.

He and his administration are corrupt criminals.
 

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An administration which has packed "independent" oversight offices with its own supporters to allow it to override previous norms, complains about "weaponisation" of NGOs against it ...

An administration which is trying to impose its will and mindset on other countries across the world, complains about extra-territorial overreach and violation of sovereignty ...

An administration which complains about "global censorship" forbids people entering based on their opinions ...

It's no wonder the irony-meter is broken.
 

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"Sorry for the delay, we somehow discovered a MILLION more documents to release"


US authorities have discovered more than a million more documents potentially related to the late paedophile Jeffrey Epstein that they plan to release in the coming days and weeks, officials say.
The US Attorney for the Southern District of New York and the FBI have informed the Department of Justice (DoJ) about the discovery and turned over the documents for lawyers to review.
"We have lawyers working around the clock to review and make the legally required redactions to protect victims, and we will release the documents as soon as possible," the DoJ said on social media on Wednesday.
The department said that given the volume of material, the process could take "a few more weeks".
The agency said it would "continue to fully comply with federal law and President Trump's direction to release the files".
The statement did not specify how the FBI and New York prosecutors came across the additional material.
The news comes after the justice department released thousands of documents last week - some heavily redacted - related to their investigations into Epstein.
The files were released after Congress passed the Epstein Files Transparency Act - signed into law by US President Donald Trump - that ordered the agency to share all the documents with the public while protecting victims’ identities.
Many of the documents released last week had names and other information blacked out, including names of people the FBI appears to cite as possible co-conspirators in the Epstein case.
The justice department has faced criticism from lawmakers on both sides of the aisle over the amount of redactions, which the law permits only to protect victims' identities and active criminal investigations.
The law passed by Congress and signed last month by Trump states that names and information that might be embarrassing or cause "reputational harm" are not allowed to be redacted.
It specifically asks the DoJ for internal communications and memos detailing who was investigated and decisions on whether "to charge, not charge, investigate, or decline to investigate Epstein or his associates".
Included in the first release of documents were emails appearing to be exchanged between FBI personnel in 2019 that mention 10 possible "co-conspirators" of Epstein.
The emails said six of the group had been served with subpoenas. This included three in Florida, one in Boston, one in New York City, and one in Connecticut.
Possible co-conspirators in Epstein's crimes are a major focus for his victims, and for several lawmakers who have demanded more transparency from the justice department.
 

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"Sorry for the delay, we somehow discovered a MILLION more documents to release"

Honestly, how does someone even get this much stuff to release? Even if you took every email, photo, and letter that I've ever taken, sent, received, etc etc I don't think I'd get to a million...
 

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The more stuff there is the more likely the majority of journalists won’t be able to diligently examine them, even if their editors or proprietors will let them. Instead they will make do with a some juicy hints about Democrats and the ever-widening circle of people Trump hates from documents that just happen to have fallen to the top. The number of outlets that will go diligently through all the paperwork and make connections between what they find, even if they can decipher the blanks, is few and they can be brushed off as outliers if none of the others have shown interest. And by the time some of them get through the latest batch it will be fake old news; if they release anything before they have gone through the lot it be ‘out of context’.

Trump has created a rod for his own back by championing the release of the files until he realised it might damage him and then going into rather too obvious damage-control to stop or hinder the release. He should have had a Sir Humphrey to advise him never to hold an inquiry before you know what it will find.

Anybody else been struck by the thought that it is a bit pointless filling the new USS Trump battleship with all the latest stealth technology if you are going to paint it gold?
 

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I think one photo (or was it a video) released recently - supposedly of Epstiens prison cell - was clearly fake and I wonder if their new strategy will be to flood everyone with made up stuff that can also help discredit the genuine stuff.

They can claim that nobody can be sure what's real and what isn't.

Trump has even said AI may have been used for the Panorama documentary, even though his speech is out there from multiple news sources.

Thing is, they only need to convince their base.
 

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Anybody else been struck by the thought that it is a bit pointless filling the new USS Trump battleship with all the latest stealth technology if you are going to paint it gold?
The USS Trump battleships may well turn out to be extremely expensive white elephants if any are actually built at all, which is unlikely. The next administration is likely to cancel them. Remember that drone boats are a big threat, not to mention sea skimming anti-ship missiles and torpedoes. There is a good reason why navies don’t buy large warships any more. They are too expensive to risk sending into contested waters...

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The Golden Fleet’s Battleship Will Never Sail​

Commentary by Mark F. Cancian
Published December 23, 2025

On December 22, President Trump announced a new class of “battleships” that will be 100 times more powerful than previous battleships and larger than any other surface combatant on the oceans. The ship’s purported characteristics are so extraordinary that the announcement will surely spark immense discussion. However, there is little need for said discussion because this ship will never sail. It will take years to design, cost $9 billion each to build, and contravene the Navy’s new concept of operations, which envisions distributed firepower. A future administration will cancel the program before the first ship hits the water.
Design: The ship’s design will take many years. At the “30,000 to 40,000” tons cited by the president, the ship is much larger than anything the United States has built in the last 80 years, other than aircraft carriers. The truncated DDG-1000 class (only three built) displaced 15,000 tons but still took 11 years from program initiation (2005) to commissioning of the first ship (2016). The battleship will be more than twice as large and more complicated—nuclear-capable with directed-energy weapons. The first ship, USS Defiant (BBG-1), is likely to commission in the early- to mid-2030s, assuming it is built at all.
Cost: The cost will be extremely high. The DDG-51 class flight III (the current version of this destroyer class) displaces 9,000 tons and costs $2.8 billion each. A ship four times as large would not cost four times as much, but would still be much more expensive. The Congressional Budget Office estimated that a future destroyer of 14,500 tons would cost $4.4 billion or $300,000 per ton. That would imply a battleship cost of about $9.1 billion, allowing for some economies of scale. Lead ships are typically 50 percent more expensive than the average, so BBG 1 would likely cost $13.5 billion, about as much as an aircraft carrier.
The cost might be even higher because of inflation in the shipbuilding sector. For example, building the battleship will require thousands of experienced shipyard workers, even as there is a labor shortage, and shipyards are bidding against each other for personnel.
Concept of Operations: The Navy has been moving toward a distributed operations model, in which fleet assets are spread out and connected by a network, maximizing fires by coordinating many different sensors and shooters. This proposal would go in the other direction, building a small number of large, expensive, and potentially vulnerable assets.
Several other points on the battleship are worth noting.
  • First, is it really a battleship? Nothing prevents the president from using the term. However, it is usually reserved for the historical type that had big guns and heavy armor. This ship will have neither. Its guns will likely be the standard five-inch (projectile weight 55 pounds) rather than the battleship’s 16-inch (projectile weight over 2,000 pounds). Large surface combatants armed with missiles are typically described as guided missile battle cruisers (BCG), like Russia’s Kirov class ships.
  • The ships will be designated a guided missile battleship, BBG, a new type. “BB” designates a battleship; “G” means guided-missile armed. The last of the Iowa-class battleships to enter service was the USS Wisconsin (BB-64). The first of this new class will be BBG-1, Defiant. The second ship is unnamed, but will likely be named soon, given the program’s high visibility.
  • Calling this the “Trump class” breaks several naming conventions, such as not naming ships after living persons and naming the class after the lead ship. For example, the Arleigh Burke class is named after the lead ship, the Arleigh Burke DDG-51. However, recent administrations of both parties have flaunted these conventions to make political points.
  • These would be “the largest [surface combatants] ever built.” The ships will, indeed, be very large, larger than any surface combatant sailing today. However, at 30,000 to 40,000 tons, the ships will be smaller than the Iowa-class battleships, which displaced about 55,000 tons.
  • The new battleships will be “100 times” as powerful as the old battleships. Such comparisons are problematic because the ships are so different. The old battleships had heavy armor and big guns, so they could slug it out with similar ships at relatively short ranges (up to 15 miles). The new battleships, like existing destroyers and cruisers, will fire long-range munitions that can reach hundreds of miles. So, the new battleship’s range could be estimated to produce 100 times the effectiveness in some situations. However, if the old battleship and the new battleship were put a few miles apart, the old battleship would chew up the new one because its weapons were designed for that fight.
  • The Navy will commit to 2 of these ships, then 10, and eventually perhaps a total of 20–25. This is a risky acquisition strategy because ships get much cheaper the more that are built. The object lesson is the DDG-1000 class, which was originally intended to number 18–24, later cut back to 10, and finally reduced to 3 ships. The BBG program will replicate this contraction if it fails. The cost per DDG-1000 rose from an estimated $2.3 billion to $3.6 billion (fiscal year 2005 dollars)—$5.6 billion in FY 2025 dollars. That excludes $14.4 billion in development costs (FY 2025 dollars).
  • The president criticized warships that are ugly, even though they were stealthy. He was likely referring to the DG-1000 class, which has specialized surfaces to deflect radar but does not look very imposing. Apparently, aesthetics will now be a design criterion for Navy shipbuilding.
  • The BBG will carry the new nuclear missile—the nuclear-armed sea-launched cruise missile. The Biden administration had tried to cancel this program, but Congress overruled them. Deployment of nuclear weapons on surface ships ended in 1991 but was common during the Cold War. Deploying nuclear weapons on ships requires minor design adjustments, such as a dedicated magazine. The major issues are policy, whether an additional nuclear platform is needed, and whether sacrificing some conventional capability for nuclear capability is a worthwhile trade.
  • The Navy will use artificial intelligence (AI) to help design the ship. That’s sensible, given the power of such tools. However, AI is not a magic wand. Complex designs take time to produce; big and complex ships cost a lot.
  • The picture in the background of the press conference showed a ship much like the DDG 51 but larger. The ships are shown firing missiles, guns, and directed energy weapons. Indeed, the pictures look like they have been repurposed from a notional DDG(X)—a 2024 hypothesized follow-on to the DDG-51 class. That design also had two superstructures, with an enclosed main mast on the forward superstructure. The DOD announcement says that the BBG class replaces the notional DDG(X).
  • President Trump has long been fascinated by battleships. He suggested reactivating them in his September 30, 2025, speech at Quantico to the assembled generals and admirals. The president’s December 22 remarks indicated that the Navy had pointed out that the 10 existing U.S. battleships were all museums. This new battleship idea likely arose when the avenue of reactivating World War II battleships was closed.
Several non-battleship issues arose relating to the Navy, shipbuilding, and military operations.
  • The president said there will be a new class of aircraft carrier. This is odd since the Ford class is new. The USS Ford, the lead ship, was commissioned in 2017. Three more are under construction. The previous Nimitz class totaled 10 ships built over 40 years. It seems too early for a new carrier class.
  • The president referenced Theodore Roosevelt’s Great White Fleet of 1907–1909 (“white” referred to the fact that ships had been painted white to deal with the heat of the tropics in an era before air conditioning). The fleet circumnavigated the globe to show that the United States had arrived as a world naval power. Trump wants to send the same message.
  • Both the president and Secretary Hegseth referenced acquisition reforms. These are serious and deserve their own analysis, as other CSIS scholars are doing.
  • In his December 22 remarks, the president stated that there had been a 2 percent reduction in drug smuggling by sea as a result of the administration’s anti-drug naval campaign. He went on to say that “we’ll be starting the same program on land. . . . If they want to come by land, they’re going to end up having a big problem. They’re going to get blown to pieces.” There was no elaboration. Central American countries, particularly Mexico, are likely very nervous about what this might mean.
  • Finally, the president referenced the new small surface combatant program. The administration canceled the Constellation class due to cost growth and schedule delays, and announced that a new class would be based on the Coast Guard Homeland Security Cutter (HSC). Although using an existing design is sensible, the HSC will need many modifications to change its primary mission from law enforcement to warfighting. The Constellation class failed because the Navy made too many changes to the existing European design. The Navy now risks going down the same path.

The administration has rightly highlighted the need to build more ships, and the 2026 reconciliation bill adds $29.2 billion to do that. However, a BBG class is extremely high risk. When the full cost and schedule become known, the program will almost certainly be canceled. However, that may be after spending several years and several billion dollars.
The Navy needs to build ships now rather than begin long development programs that will take years to produce usable capability, if they ever do. Far better to upgrade existing, proven designs and ramp up their production rates. That’s the way to reach the higher production levels that President Trump cited in his speech and to expand the U.S. presence on the world’s oceans.
Mark F. Cancian (Colonel, U.S. Marine Corps Reserve, ret.) is a senior adviser with the Defense and Security Department at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, D.C.


Commentary is produced by the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), a private, tax-exempt institution focusing on international public policy issues. Its research is nonpartisan and nonproprietary. CSIS does not take specific policy positions. Accordingly, all views, positions, and conclusions expressed in this publication should be understood to be solely those of the author(s).
© 2025 by the Center for Strategic and International Studies. All rights reserved.


Mark F. Cancian​

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The more stuff there is the more likely the majority of journalists won’t be able to diligently examine them, even if their editors or proprietors will let them.

How does the amount compare to the Panama papers thing? I didn't look at it too closely but I got the impression that since there are so many "armchair journalists" most of the stuff will get examined by someone, even if it's not in the mainstream media.
 

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How does the amount compare to the Panama papers thing? I didn't look at it too closely but I got the impression that since there are so many "armchair journalists" most of the stuff will get examined by someone, even if it's not in the mainstream media.

Even easier to accuse an armchair journalist of producing fake news than a professional one.
 

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Looks like Trump has finally got his Peace Prize... only it's from FIFA, not Nobel.


At some point surely Trump will reciprocate and award FIFA the Trump Anti-Corruption Award?

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And of course at what level of detail? Do they want to know all your emails? Including work emails? What about shared emails? And what do they mean by Social Media? Facebook and Twitter obviously, but what about Reddit? Or even this Forum? It's crackers.

Not that it particularly impacts on me as I have no intention of travelling to the US until the political situation stabilises. Plenty of other places to explore even if it's a shame.
I’d be tempted to set up a twitter account that automatically posts gibberish in Welsh every 20 seconds, and randomly inserts ‘Trump’ and ‘Israel’ into one of the tweets twice a day. Let them sift through that lot and try and make sense of it!
 
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At some point surely Trump will reciprocate and award FIFA the Trump Anti-Corruption Award?

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I’d be tempted to set up a twitter account that automatically posts gibberish in Welsh every 20 seconds, and randomly inserts ‘Trump’ and ‘Israel’ into one of the tweets twice a day. Let them sift through that lot and try and make sense of it!
Or in the Cornish language (Kernewek) :E
 

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Reportedly, one of the recently-released files includes both an indirect and a direct allegation of rape against DJT:
Among the newly released materials is an FBI case file (EFTA00020518) dated October 2020 that contains an allegation of rape involving Trump. The document does not identify the source of the allegation, as names and other identifying details have been redacted.

The file references an account from a limousine driver, whose name has been redacted, who reported a “very concerning” phone conversation involving Trump while driving him to an airport in 1995. According to the document, Trump repeatedly said the name “Jeffrey” during the call and made references to “abusing some girl.”

The document further states that an unnamed individual alleged that “he raped me,” referring to Trump, and that “Donald J. Trump had raped her along with Jeffrey Epstein.” The statement continues: “Some girl with a funny name took me into a fancy hotel or building, that’s how it happened.”
Source: https://time.com/7342332/trump-epstein-files-release-latest-maxwell/

While, naturally, it is only an allegation and we shouldn't presume guilt it does fit into his self-described "when you're rich you can do whatever you want" mode of behaviour.
 

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I'm beginning to think that Trump uses a different definition of the word "peace" from the rest of us. Strikes on Iran, action against Venezuela and now this:

President Donald Trump has said the US launched a "powerful and deadly strike" against the Islamic State (IS) group in north-western Nigeria.
In a post on Truth Social, the US president described IS as " terrorist scum", accusing them of "targeting and viciously killing, primarily, innocent Christians".
He said the US military "executed numerous perfect strikes", without giving any further details. It is unclear what exactly targets were struck and when.
In November, Trump ordered the US military to prepare for action in Nigeria to tackle Islamist militant groups.
In his post late on Thursday, Trump said that "under my leadership, our Country will not allow Radical Islamic Terrorism to prosper".
In his warning back in November, the US leader did not say which killings he was referring to - but claims of a genocide against Nigeria's Christians have been circulating in recent months in some right-wing US circles.
Groups monitoring violence say there is no evidence to suggest that Christians are being killed more than Muslims in Nigeria, which is roughly evenly divided between followers of the two religions.
 

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I'm beginning to think that Trump uses a different definition of the word "peace" from the rest of us. Strikes on Iran, action against Venezuela and now this

Nigeria says this targeted terrorism generally, refuting Trump’s justification of christians being killed by islamist extremists.

Trump has said (repeatedly) that the US isn’t going to be the World’s policeman. Mmmm.
 

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He’s probably after the ‘Falklands Effect’ after noting his popularity waning.
 

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Honestly, how does someone even get this much stuff to release? Even if you took every email, photo, and letter that I've ever taken, sent, received, etc etc I don't think I'd get to a million...
This was also my initial reaction also.

But the more I think about it the more the scale makes sense.

Neither you nor I have a lifestyle dedicated to being social with the rich and famous and their PAs/staff. That's basically all Epstein did for 'work' - made connections and partied. Let's assume this went on for just 10 years, that's 100,000 artefacts a year, which is 548 artefacts a day assuming 3 engagements a week. 100 guests, so 100 email invites out, 100 back in, 4 photos each, you're up to 600 bits of evidence. In reality people go to parties like this and will take a few dozen photos, there will have been replies to the invites, then emails about organising the women being brought in, phone calls records, bank statements, cheques, etc. Not to mention all the day to day chit chat like 'A' emailing to chat about their day at Balmoral and asking about some 'inappropriate friends'. In practice he was also doing this for over 30 years.

15 emails a work day for 30 years would get you over 10% of the way there.

When you break it down I think it can add up quite easily.
 

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The USS Trump battleships may well turn out to be extremely expensive white elephants if any are actually built at all, which is unlikely. The next administration is likely to cancel them.
I think I would disagree, despite Trump calling these "battleships" they're realistically more comparable to cruisers, the current Ticonderoga class are very long in the tooth, and replacements are rather welcome. I'd daresay that the US navy can do enough "requirements engineering" to turn them into something useful.
Remember that drone boats are a big threat, not to mention sea skimming anti-ship missiles and torpedoes.
They are threats, but not insurmountable ones. The idea that some new offensive technology will be developed, and defensive technology and tactics will not adapt is unlikely to be true. Similarly, just because something can be defeated does not mean that it is not a useful addition to a force.
 

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I think I would disagree, despite Trump calling these "battleships" they're realistically more comparable to cruisers, the current Ticonderoga class are very long in the tooth, and replacements are rather welcome. I'd daresay that the US navy can do enough "requirements engineering" to turn them into something useful.

They are threats, but not insurmountable ones. The idea that some new offensive technology will be developed, and defensive technology and tactics will not adapt is unlikely to be true. Similarly, just because something can be defeated does not mean that it is not a useful addition to a force.
The Trump class would be pretty big. >35,000 ton displacement is closer to the Iowa battleships (48kt-60kt) than the Ticonderoga (<10kt) or the DDG(X) (13,000 ton).

The thing will be if they ever see the light of day. There have been an awful lot of replacement programmes on both sides of the Atlantic that have been cancelled and restarted whilst the existing kit soldiers on.
 

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What will Trump get named after himself next? A new Interstate bridge?
I think a Democrat controlled city, county or state should rename its largest sewage treatment works with a prominent sign calling it "The Donald J Trump sh*t show".
 

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I'd daresay that the US navy can do enough "requirements engineering" to turn them into something useful.
The US Navy? My god they've not got a successful class of large surface combatant into the water since the Arleigh Burke's were designed back in the 1980s. CG(X) (the intended Ticonderoga class replacement) cancelled before piece of steel was cut. Zumwalt class destroyers (the intended replacement for Arleigh Burke's) cancelled after three units and Burke's put back into production. Littoral Combat Ships, lots of those got built (30 odd) but now they're being retired after many of them have seen only a decade of service as they're unreliable, under-armed, and most of the promised modules that were supposed to allow them to undertake a wide range of missions were never entered service plus the heroic crewing assumptions have broken down in the face of reality making them even harder to operate. They couldn't even manage to get the already successful FREMM class frigate into service properly managing to bork that up so badly that the Constellation class (the intended LCS replacement) is now cancelled after two units. Instead they're going to have a go at turning the US Coast Guard's Legend-class cutters into frigates (a program that itself hasn't been without issue but at least has gotten ships into USCG service).

Bless them but the only thing I can see the US Navy doing with the Trump's vanity barges, unless they actually clean house in NAVSEA and get rid of the failed leaders and bring in some fresh blood, is somehow screwing them up. The US Navy is going to be building Arleigh Burke destroyers until the crack of doom. There is no way in hell the last commanding office of an Arleigh Burke class destoyer has even been born yet they'll be in service for that long. Hell the grandfather/mother of the last Arleigh Burke crew member probably has only just been born, if we're lucky.
 

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Like today’s America First 250 aircraft they are all just distraction manoeuvres so that Trump’s handlers can get on with their nefarious aims. Whether Trump thinks some of them up or whether he is carefully fed ideas which he quickly assumes are his own brilliant idea, they grab the limelight, while evil plans are made unnoticed behind the scenes.
 

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