Class 67 Locomotive Questions.

[37052 xb mr]

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That's the only one I ever had to penzance, I know it was coming for a long time but seeing it is quite sobering

 

[19Gnasher69]

Probably something of an open-ended question but in what states are the other class 67s at Toton (and Crewe)? Are others likely to soon follow 003, 030 and, presumably, 019 to the scrapyard?

 

[37052 xb mr]

Probably something of an open-ended question but in what states are the other class 67s at Toton (and Crewe)? Are others likely to soon follow 003, 030 and, presumably, 019 to the scrapyard?

At Toton 019 yes, but 004 appears still intact

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004 & 030 25/6 Toton

 

[TFT YouTube]

At Toton 019 yes, but 004 appears still intact

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004 & 030 25/6 Toton

Wish someone would preserve these 67s and restore them.

 

[19Gnasher69]

At Toton 019 yes, but 004 appears still intact

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004 & 030 25/6 Toton

Many thanks 37052.
004 looks to be in good nick but, as has been intimated before, who knows what is DBC’s traction strategy?

 

[Wyrleybart]

Wish someone would preserve these 67s and restore them.

Seriously ? Why ? Heavy axleweight, awkward cabs, awful yinging !!!

Each to their own I guess, but I would prefer any long stored diesel to be restored for a preserved railway, and type 2 diesels are perfect for preserved lines.

 

[fgwrich]

Seriously ? Why ? Heavy axleweight, awkward cabs, awful yinging !!!

Each to their own I guess, but I would prefer any long stored diesel to be restored for a preserved railway, and type 2 diesels are perfect for preserved lines.

Plenty more left too. And like everything they will be providing spares to keep other class members running.

 

[ExRes]

Seriously ? Why ? Heavy axleweight, awkward cabs, awful yinging !!!

Each to their own I guess, but I would prefer any long stored diesel to be restored for a preserved railway, and type 2 diesels are perfect for preserved lines.

Quite so, in my opinion they should restore one as a warning to any future loco purchaser

 

[Wyrleybart]

Plenty more left too. And like everything they will be providing spares to keep other class members running.

Agree Rich. The problem for anyone wishing to save a 67 will be a power unit for it. I think the 67s will only be of use to DBC whilst TfW want to use them, and they still have a decent power unit - the latter becoming a valuable spare for the class 66 fleet.

 

[Yorkshire09876]

Plenty more left too. And like everything they will be providing spares to keep other class members running.

Probably providing spares for the 66s is more important to DBC - especially the engines.

Of the 10 advertised for sale a while back I believe this is the current situation:

67001 - seemingly intact, at Crewe
67003 - scrapped
67004 - seemingly intact, at Toton
67009 - seemingly intact, at Crewe
67011 - seemingly intact, at Crewe
67018 - seemingly intact, at Crewe
67019 - being stripped at Toton. Scrapping seems likely
67026 - sold to TfW for spares
67028 - sold to TfW for active use
67030 - stripped, at Toton. Scrapping seems likely

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Agree Rich. The problem for anyone wishing to save a 67 will be a power unit for it. I think the 67s will only be of use to DBC whilst TfW want to use them, and they still have a decent power unit - the latter becoming a valuable spare for the class 66 fleet.

I hope at least one does get preserved in due course. It surely has to be likely that the NRM will want 67005 or 006 given how much they like royal train vehicles!

 

[19Gnasher69]

Probably providing spares for the 66s is more important to DBC - especially the engines.


I hope at least one does get preserved in due course. It surely has to be likely that the NRM will want 67005 or 006 given how much they like royal train vehicles!

Agreed on the NRM front.

In terms of usefulness for spares , presumably the TfW fleet will benefit for the time being, rather than the 66s.

Out of curiosity, does Israel’s railway run a version of the 67?

 

[Yorkshire09876]

In terms of usefulness for spares , presumably the TfW fleet will benefit for the time being, rather than the 66s.

The engine from 67003 reportedly went into 66652. Don't know about 67019/30.

 

[cj_1985]

Agreed on the NRM front.

In terms of usefulness for spares , presumably the TfW fleet will benefit for the time being, rather than the 66s.

Out of curiosity, does Israel’s railway run a version of the 67?

Yes, as do Spain and/or Portugal

 

[Richard Scott]

Yes, as do Spain and/or Portugal

It's Spain, class 334. Very similar to67s although I believe they utilised some recovered components from older locos such as main alternators.

 

[norbitonflyer]

Yes, it is sad to see modern locomotives like the Class 67s go for scrap,

They are not that modern - introduced last century (1999)! Plenty of diesel classes had shorter working lives, and not just the less successful pilot scheme ones.

Most of classes 24-27, 40 and the Peaks were gone in 25 years, as were the AL1-AL4 and class 71/74 electrics

Even shorter were the diesel hydraulic classes, none of which got to twenty years - and nor did the Deltics.

 

[Richard Scott]

They are not that modern - introduced last century (1999)! Plenty of diesel classes had shorter working lives, and not just the less successful pilot scheme ones.

Most of classes 24-27, 40 and the Peaks were gone in 25 years, as were the AL1-AL4 and class 71/74 electrics

Even shorter were the diesel hydraulic classes, none of which got to twenty years - and nor did the Deltics.

Wouldn't be surprised if some of the 40s and 45s had racked up more mileage over that time?
Anyone any idea what mileages are for individual locos?

 

[50002Superb]

The engine from 67003 reportedly went into 66652. Don't know about 67019/30.

That explains a lot, I don’t think 652 has moved for some time.

 

[Yorkshire09876]

That explains a lot, I don’t think 652 has moved for some time.

It was done a while back, at the same time as the regearing.

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Anyone any idea what mileages are for individual locos?

It's going to vary widely as some of them have spent a long time stored at various points. 67019 is the longest I believe at slightly over ten years!

I would guess that the highest mileage ones are those which have spent a long time on hire to TOCs and have been reliable enough to stay in service most of the time. My assumption would be that one of 12/13/14/15 probably has the highest mileage - they have been in use with TOCs pretty consistently for about 16-17 years - Wrexham & Shropshire, then Chiltern, then Arriva Trains Wales, now Transport for Wales.

 

[37052 xb mr]

030, Toton

 

[ExRes]

Uncorroborated at present, suggested elsewhere that 67019 & 67030 have finally arrived at EMR Kingsbury, I know it couldn't happen but the ultimate irony would be for them to get there being hauled by 47714

 

[TFT YouTube]

Uncorroborated at present, suggested elsewhere that 67019 & 67030 have finally arrived at EMR Kingsbury, I know it couldn't happen but the ultimate irony would be for them to get there being hauled by 47714

Any others going for scrap or being used for parts?

 

[37052 xb mr]

Gone today

 

[Yorkshire09876]

Any others going for scrap or being used for parts?

Not seen any reports of any others being stripped.

 

[TFT YouTube]

Gone today

That's depressing to see.

 

[Wyrleybart]

That's depressing to see.

We all have our own views !!!
I never like them an always thought them overspecced as 125mph locos owned by a predominantly freightco, but which had rice pudding skin issues !!!

 

[Jamesrob637]

Sad when you remember when these were new in only 2000!

 

[Yorkshire09876]

Sad when you remember when these were new in only 2000!

True, but some locos (e.g. some of the Deltics) lasted even less time, although they probably racked up a good few more miles than some of the 67s.

67019 and 30 had, so far as I know, never been repainted - can't be many locos (other than accident damaged) which are scrapped still carrying their original paint job!

 

[TFT YouTube]

True, but some locos (e.g. some of the Deltics) lasted even less time, although they probably racked up a good few more miles than some of the 67s.

67019 and 30 had, so far as I know, never been repainted - can't be many locos (other than accident damaged) which are scrapped still carrying their original paint job!

None are that I'm aware of, I have a list of them if I can find it.

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Can't find it, but I can say with a grain of salt that 67026 is for scrap before long, TFW parts donor.

 

[BRX]

67s first entered my consciousness (not in a favourable way) when they displaced more interesting traction on the scottish sleepers.
For the past 15 years or so I've seen/heard them most weeks coming past me in south London, pulling the Belmond Pullman (formerly VSOE) train.