westcoaster
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Saw 3 x 387/3 on Lovers walk today
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GTR Class 377/387 cascade updates 2026
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387.
Southern have four of them now. 301 / 302 / 305 / 306 have all transferred. 303 / 304 are the only ones still left at Great Northern and they will probably transfer soon.
Sun Chariot
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The march of 387s on the West Coastway.
(with thanks to @Peter Mugridge for the tip-off regarding 306)
(with thanks to @Peter Mugridge for the tip-off regarding 306)
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Robski
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Some weekday Southern and Gatwick Express services are being advertised as short-formed to 4 coaches vice 8 until further notice "while we work to introduce more trains in June 2025". These are:
[SN] 1J92 Bognor Regis to London Bridge
[GX] 1W20 London Victoria to Brighton
[GX] 1W49 Brighton to London Victoria
[GX] 1W20 London Victoria to Brighton
[GX] 1W03 Brighton to London Victoria
[SN] 1J93 London Bridge to Bognor Regis
[SN] 1J92 Bognor Regis to London Bridge
[GX] 1W20 London Victoria to Brighton
[GX] 1W49 Brighton to London Victoria
[GX] 1W20 London Victoria to Brighton
[GX] 1W03 Brighton to London Victoria
[SN] 1J93 London Bridge to Bognor Regis
So far it appears 1W03 and 1W20 have been cancelled outright due to not enough units. 1J92 isn’t shortformed but I’ve seen a few short forms on the Victoria to Sutton extras
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OneOfThe48
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Interesting, where have you seen this?
Nicholas Lewis
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Given they haven't sent the full compliment of 377/1s to SE yet seems a bit unnecessary.
Southern train lengths at relevant stations are visible on Tiger
and also on the live departures part of the Southern website
Look at CIS summary for a given station, for example East Croydon
Or on the Southern website
https://www.southernrailway.com/ser...Destination=&DestinationCode=&Type=departures
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The message appeared on the national rail bulletin feed, attached to those specific services.
The_Train
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Do you happen to know when 306 moved over please?
TrainLifeGB
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387119, 387121, 387123, 387126, 387127, 387128, 387129, 387301, 387302, 387305, and 387306.
14 more to go
Nicholas Lewis
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So in the end Southern will have net increase in units which seems generous of DfT or are there plans for increased services?
With what paths?
Personally, I'd be grateful for some strengthening on existing services.
I was happy to see a Littlehampton running with 12 coaches rather than the usual 8 I see.
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Maybe restoring some of the removed services such as the Dorking/Horsham fasts and the Sutton via Norbury services that are both missing off-peak, which the paths already exist for.
I would agree with strengthening lots of existing services though, really most services should be running at the max possible length that rolling stock availability allows.
Well 2 are presumably tied up with the Eastbourne to London Bridge peak service from December. A number of other enhancements presumably flow from having extra units, although some of that uplift already happened, for example the extra peak trains via Forest Hill.
How many of the 377s are still yet to move to Southeastern to net off against the 387s yet to come in?
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Is there any reason these services cannot go to East Croydon and onwards, considering these used to run all day to Coulsdon Town?
Speaking of these services though, restoring these throughout the day at least as far as East Croydon would be another good use for some extra units.
Net increase of at least 4 units, not sure exactly how many I have heard different numbers. December 24 did see a slight uplift with the restoration of 4tph to London Bridge via Forest Hill, one extra service via Peckham Rye and Arun Valley. And Eastbourne is confirmed to happen next, hopefully off-peak provision is looked at as well.
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They couldn’t pre-pandemic, at least during peak times, because the paths were occupied by Victoria services from Caterham/Tattenham Corner. It’s also why trains from London Bridge terminated at Selhurst. This isn’t necessary now that they have been removed with no likely prospect of them returning. In my opinion, they have no business going to/from Sutton specifically and carry fresh air all the way there.
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A convenient place to terminate which is much less disruptive than taking them to East Croydon. If they terminated at West Croydon, then ran empty to Sutton, people would question why they don't run in service.
Less disruptive but the customer benefit running them through East Croydon outweighs it in my eyes. Particularly the morning 0700 from Sutton is nonsensical, as it could’ve left Caterham at that time and supported the busiest services rather than arriving into Selhurst empty.
The current morning service between East Croydon and Selhurst is also a mess, such a routeing would allow 2B95 (Victoria via Norbury) to start at Selhurst instead and cause less chaos and disruption.
24 x 387s coming to Southern in total
13 x 377s leaving for SE.
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Sutton in Ant
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The 24 X 387s coming to Southern railway is 1 short than it actually is. It is 25 387s that is coming to Southern Railway.
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Were the Victoria to Caterham/Tattenham Corner services not removed with the May 2018 timetable change?
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It might be inconvenient, but East Croydon has a lot of inward demand as well as offering a lot of onward connections, whereas the stations between Norwood Junction and New Cross Gate already have frequent LO services to West Croydon, and very few passengers would have any need to travel to/from Sutton. In my opinion these stations should have an all-day service through to East Croydon, but a peak time service should be the bare minimum.
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Off-peak Victoria services via Norbury were diverted to London Bridge but peak time splitters remained
TrainLifeGB
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Huh? It's meant to be 387115-129, 387172-174, and 387301-306. What other unit is coming over? 387114?
I recall there is meant to be an arrangement where some units effectively form a 'balance' between the Northern and Southern allocations depending on availability.
Sutton in Ant
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Yes 387114 is coming to Southern Railway.
TrainLifeGB
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Who's said and confirmed this?