Talking of named 197s, I saw 197125 the other day and it didn't have any nameplates on it, despite it supposedly being named "The Cheltenham Spa Express" according to the 197 Wikipedia article. Does anyone in here know what's up with that?
Thanks. That's eight out of twenty-one of the ETCS 197/0s that are in use ?.Seen that it has been Mk1 eyeballed by someone on another forum
197035 is the 8th ETCS-fitted 197 to have entered service @Peter Sarf.197035 appears to have entered service today
Currently at Manchester Airport waiting to work:
Realtime Trains | 1D38 1325 Manchester Airport to Llandudno | 07/05/2025
Real-time train running information for 1D38 1325 departure from Manchester Airport to Llandudno on 07/05/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.www.realtimetrains.co.uk
That's correct for "have been in use" for those at least - 197003/028/029/030/031/033/034/035
Thanks for explaining. Ordering via QR code would certainly be handy.
Thats great that another 197 has come into service. I need 033 and 035 now. Not seen 033 mentioned on RTT for a while.
Many thanks for this
I can't see that on the Wikipedia page I'm looking at, and no sign of it in the edit history either?
Yes, Looks like 197024 is a likely candidate to enter service next.Many thanks for this
So 197022, 197024 and 197027 are the 3 that have been accepted but haven't yet entered service.
It looks like 197024 will likely be the 65th 197 to enter service then?
Do you know why 197030, 197031 and 197033 (and 197003) have been stored for so long after having been in service (and presumably 197034 will be stored for quite some time)? Is it just depot capacity limitations, not enough diagrams yet, or what?
Finally, I appreciate that you work with numbers rather than names, but with 197119 now being named Mistar Urdd, I'd just like to check if Wikipedia's Project UK Railways has the list of named units correct, as there's a claim of 197125 being named "The Cheltenham Spa Express" (according to The Railway Magazine), but when I saw 197125 recently, it didn't appear to be carrying any nameplates (namestickers, whatever)?
Thank you for this update. I was wondering why a few seem to have disappeared from service.
197101 & 197110 are the 3 cars that have been missing for a while. 197101 was in parts for a long time and 197110 seems to have vanished. They are the only 3 cars that havent been in service for a long time
It was removed at 17:58 by an unregistered user (shown as an IP address), with no edit summary. They must have seen the addition of 197119 Mistar Urdd at 16:36 by a registered user (shown as their username) and realised that something wasn't right with the whole 197125 Cheltenham thing.
End of 2025 at the earliest I think.
Ah, thanks a lot for the information
Yes I remember 197101 was in parts. A few of the two cars are missing also. They just about seem to be coping to cover their diagrams at the moment wirh only a few short forms recently.
I've heard anything from late 2025 to early 2026 to later in 2026.
197037 is at Crewe depot at the moment.
What does that mean in terms of acceptance?
ATC at Crewe is where all the mileage accumulation runs go from (along the Coast to Holyhead generally) and final acceptance is carried out there along with any mods and repairs which are necessary. Once they're at Crewe they're on their way to being accepted.What does that mean in terms of acceptance?
197101 is showing as at Crewe ETD for the last couple of weeks. 110 has been out of use so long that it's location and last movement have disappeared. It's likely at Chester but has been out of use for several months.
Thanks for clarifying
That sounds like a bug and is a very old version from when the units were in the test phase.
As long as the unit number and its lack of nameplate are both visible, would you mind taking away its full copyright and uploading it to Wikipedia Commons, with its date and time data in-tact? It's been added back, and Redrose64 is now insisting that, because they have the magazine right there...
What is somewhat concerning is how a train build that is fairly well established now, with 60 197s being delivered, and 195s and 196s, can be handed over with mods and repairs being required.
Most of them are minor things that have been done on the active fleet which are then rolled out across the rest of the fleet as they're accepted so they're upto date when they enter service.
64 have been in service and 67 have been accepted for service.
Thanks for the info
110 is sitting on Chester depot.
There is an upgrade coming out in the future, but it isn't this. I believe the new screens will be black, red with white text. The samples they published internally looked significantly better than the current white, and the very simplistic square carriage diagrams should be gone too.
