Where are you travelling from?
Apologies I don't know why I put Reading. I meant to say Enfield or Dagenham.
If I used a car a lot less I might consider the hire charge better than paying road tax and insurance. For instance my annual music festival trip.
Right, that's clearer then. Like I said, Zone 1 is a place to start. Dagenham is way out in zone 5 so far less of a priority for elimination, though steps to encourage the use of alternatives should be made.
A little village just in England by 2 miles. The journey is 130 miles, no motorway, takes me 2hrs 30mins I don’t fancy 2 hours at Llandovery on the way back at 8 o’clock on a dark wet cold night, I wonder how much to allow for headlights heater etc.
What is the range of the car on a full battery?
A type 2 charger is a 'normal' charger plug like you'd have at home (i.e. not a rapid charger)
That’s the problem, I’m trying to work out what sort of car I might upgrade to without spending forty odd thousand
I appreciate your help but I am only planning, have not bought the car yet., but it’s a journey we do a lot, there and back in a day visit, a 2 hour charge would make it hardly worth while
Dragon charging site led to believe they were tha only charging point in Llandovery, I must learn a whole new world
Ok I see.
So you give one example. The one example that is well known to suffer degradation and other issues because there is no thermal management at all on the battery pack.
Were a 100% EV family and never plan our journeys.
Not this old chestnut. To be clear, I drive a petrol car. Every so often I go to a place to replenish that car with a volatile, flammable, liquid. There are clear dangers involved with handling that liquid but they're well understood and I've been doing it for years, as have many others. That fuel then goes into a tank which could potentially rupture in a collision, but car manufacturers have assessed those risks.
I was taught from quite a young age that fires required three things: fuel, a source of ignition and oxygen. Could you provide a source that will convince me that EV fires do not require oxygen?
Any car that goes up in flames is going to do damage to its surroundings.
Proper evidence is required here. "My mate who knows someone who works at the bus garage" is not an acceptable source. Sorry.
Proper evidence is required here. "My mate who knows someone who works at the bus garage" is not an acceptable source. Sorry.
If that's a serious question:
A Simple Google search.I was taught from quite a young age that fires required three things: fuel, a source of ignition and oxygen. Could you provide a source that will convince me that EV fires do not require oxygen?
Any car that goes up in flames is going to do damage to its surroundings.
Proper evidence is required here. "My mate who knows someone who works at the bus garage" is not an acceptable source. Sorry.
So the claim that EV batteries do not require oxygen to burn is entirely false. Thank you
OK, this is more having different mindset.
Indeed. I almost never charge to 80% out and about unless I'm away from home for days. There's no point arriving home, where I can charge for almost nothing, with lots of expensive electricity in the battery.
I think the assumption is market will find a competitive price longer term.
Petrol has its risks and really ought to be more risky than EV batteries. But once an EV battery is "burning" not much can stop it until it runs out of energy.
Unfortunately the battery can create all it needs to "burn". Once it has broken down then the huge amount of energy is off on an uncontrollable thermal spree.
But an EV will keep "burning" whereas an ICE car fire can be brought under control and extinguished.
Well we will have to agree to disagree on that one. I know for sure that two routes in Croydon that used electric busses have reverted to diesel.Proper evidence is required here. "My mate who knows someone who works at the bus garage" is not an acceptable source. Sorry.
Thankyou. In effect once that battery or part of the pack has gone into thermal runaway then all the fire brigade can do is stop the fire spreading to surrounding buildings and cars. Effectively have to wait and monitor until all the energy in the battery has been dissipated.
Because if they did so no new chargers would be provided. The cost of providing and maintaining the infrastructure plus the back up support is very high. The problem is that people are looking at the EV headline tariffs provided by the likes of Octopus without realising that the energy suppliers are actually losing money on those tariffs and subsidizing them from other areas. In 5 years time there's no way you will be paying 7p/kwh to charge an EV even overnight.
That much is verifiable fact, - vehicle type changes on certain routes is not uncommon with large operations. Your assertion however, that the change was because of some dire issue - "batteries were failing" was offered presumably from your 'mates', is both nebulous and so far you haven't offered any reference for your claim.
Have a look at one of the grid watch sites today. It's an anti cyclone - high pressure. Renewable generation is negligible, it's been like that for several days now and will continue to be so well in to next week. Next consider the nuclear generation, 4.5 GW that will all but be gone in 5 years. (Sizewell B is currently shutdown for refuelling and for new turbines in the generators). Hinckley Point C may make up some of the slack if and it's a big if it's on time but even then it's electricity is a lot more expensive than what it replaces.
Except Octopus don't lock you in to the tariff. I could change to a different tariff tomorrow if I wanted, and back to Go a week later.