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Things in living memory which seem very anachronistic now

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In the same way that as youngsters, we referred to friends of our parents as aunt and uncle, even though there was no blood relation.

There was, back in the day, the uncle who visited the house of a married woman during the working day. Usually very smartly dressed, sometimes carrying flowers - and always disappointed to find offspring at home during school holidays. Often generous to said offspring, offering for instance to give cash for a railway ticket ("why don't you go out 'spotting") and general encouragement/bribery to go out. Father usually unaware of existence of said blood relation :)
 
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Regarding the use of 'Esq.'; for young boys, it was 'Master' - as a child, my Christmas and birthday cards were addressed to 'Master Merle Haggard'.

'Master' as a form of address was also used by one Maths master at my Senior School to imply naivety, for example in problem-solving logic.

46207 had the very long and, to me then, strange name of 'Princess Arthur of Connaught' - an impressive two-line nameplate on an impressive maroon loco. It was, of course, just following the convention of the monarchy.
Princess Arthur of Connaught was not, of course, born with the name Arthur! In her case it is a convoluted story, but the convention is that a wife derives her title from her husband. A more recent example of this is Princess Michael of Kent. Royal Princes are usually given a Dukedom on marriage so that their wives can be styled Duchess of wherever, otherwise you would have had Princess Charles, Princess Andrew and Princess Edward for the late Queen's son's spouses (although as Charles was Prince of Wales, his wife became Princess of Wales). The same principal applies to knighthoods, so when Joe Bloggs is knighted his wife Gladys becomes Lady Bloggs, but certainly not Lady Gladys, for which title she would have had to have been the daughter of an Earl or Duke (as with Lady Diana Spencer).
 

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Gladys becomes Lady Bloggs, but certainly not Lady Gladys, for which title she would have had to have been the daughter of an Earl or Duke (as with Lady Diana Spencer).
Or presumably if she was 'Ladied' in her own right.
 

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Regarding the use of 'Esq.'; for young boys, it was 'Master' - as a child, my Christmas and birthday cards were addressed to 'Master Merle Haggard'.

'Master' as a form of address was also used by one Maths master at my Senior School to imply naivety, for example in problem-solving logic.

46207 had the very long and, to me then, strange name of 'Princess Arthur of Connaught' - an impressive two-line nameplate on an impressive maroon loco. It was, of course, just following the convention of the monarchy.
Mr family used "Master" when addressing my birthday/Christmas cards until I was 12 at least. My parents used to always put my card in the post even though we stayed in the same house as they thought it was nicer than just handing it. (Stamps were something like 25p for first class and 18p for second at the time, so much cheaper than now even when adjusting for inflation). In 1995 on my 12th birthday my card from my parents sent in Trinity (a northern suburb of Edinburgh) went missing and so did my card sent by my aunt and uncle in Bonnyrigg, Midlothian. The distance between the two places where the cards were posted is about 7 miles as the crow flies or about 11 miles by road. My family suspects that a rogue sorting office worker/postie noticed handwritten envelopes addressed to a "Master" and guessed there was a child's birthday and opened the envelopes to steal any money inside.

That said, not everyone used "Master" for boys. National Savings (now NS&I) used "Mr" for all males who weren't Dr, Prof, Rev etc regardless of age as I was referred to as such on Premium Bonds bought for me in the 1980s. Bank of Scotland used "Esq" on statements issued for their account for 12-15 year olds when I held one in the mid to late 1990s.
 

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Or presumably if she was 'Ladied' in her own right.
Nope. No such thing. The title is acquired by accident of birth. There is, of course, a Damehood (female equivalent of a knighthood, but their husband does not get to be a Sir) and women who are awarded life peerages are Lady (actually more correctly Baroness) followed by the title they have chosen (which is usually their surname), but only the daughters of Dukes and Earls are entitled to be styled Lady followed by their first name.
 

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I used to visit an uncle who was a country doctor. His father had a driver/handyman/gardener.who tended the large vegetable plot, mowed the tennis court, looked after 2 pigs and ensured the car was tanked with petrol and always washed once a week. Charlie stayed on until he myst have been well oast retirement age. I had long conversations about his youth working in the fields picking flints to build up the roads. He'd learned to drive to chauffeur my uncle's father and was then a driver in France during WW1. He told some tales, but I digress.

He called my uncle Dr Pat, and me Mr ...... from when I can first remember
My father worked a Booth Brothers woollen mill in Yorkshire and the two brothers who owned the mill were always addressed by the employees as Mr Gordon and Mr James.

The called the employees by their unembellished forenames
 

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My father worked a Booth Brothers woollen mill in Yorkshire and the two brothers who owned the mill were always addressed by the employees as Mr Gordon and Mr James.

The called the employees by their embellished forenames
When I left school and began my apprenticeship at the English Electric Co. even the workshop foremen were known by 'Mr...'

After completing my apprenticeship I began working in a power station. Imagine my surprise when even the power station manager was generally called by his christian name.
 

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Postage stamps! 2d brown for a postcard 2.5d red for a letter. All were the same class, although the postcard was effectively second.

A 2d stamp had to go on any official receipt for a payment of £2 or more, but the waters on that were becoming muddy when the Cheques Act of 1957 made fairly clear that a paid cheque was an adequate receipt. At that time there was 2d stamp duty payable on cheques - a book of 30 cheques cost 5/- (25p today). That was one reason why many bank customers wanted to have their paid cheques back. Every one would be stamped 'Paid' with the date by the bank. (Just one of the jobs being done every day in your local bank bracnch.)
 

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Postage stamps! 2d brown for a postcard 2.5d red for a letter. All were the same class, although the postcard was effectively second.

A 2d stamp had to go on any official receipt for a payment of £2 or more, but the waters on that were becoming muddy when the Cheques Act of 1957 made fairly clear that a paid cheque was an adequate receipt. At that time there was 2d stamp duty payable on cheques - a book of 30 cheques cost 5/- (25p today). That was one reason why many bank customers wanted to have their paid cheques back. Every one would be stamped 'Paid' with the date by the bank. (Just one of the jobs being done every day in your local bank bracnch.)
From about '65 to '69 I had a Midland Bank 'Personal Account' where the cost per cheque was 6d and they were supplied in a book of 10. Then I switched over to a normal 2d per cheque account.
 

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From about '65 to '69 I had a Midland Bank 'Personal Account' where the cost per cheque was 6d and they were supplied in a book of 10. Then I switched over to a normal 2d per cheque account.
We're in danger of going down a banking rabbit warren here with transfer to another thread! Dunno what they were 'selling' but the price of a standard bank cheque was for the 2d stamp duty that went to the government. If you closed your account you'd return the cheque book and get your money back on unused cheques - indirectly from HMG.

Here are two old Midland Bank paid cheques, the first when all cheques had an embossed blue 2d revenue stamp, the second after the 1957 Cheques Act when it was just printed, no amount to cover a possible increase in duty that never happened. In 1967 I worked in a branch where a feisty lady MP had her account. She had to have special smaller cheque books to go in her handbag with only 6 cheques - cost 1/-, 5p. Enough of memory lane.

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When did charges for cheques stop? I remember my parents paying for the weekly shop with cheques in the 80s, I'm sure they wouldn't have if there was any form of fee involved.
 

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We're in danger of going down a banking rabbit warren here with transfer to another thread! Dunno what they were 'selling' but the price of a standard bank cheque was for the 2d stamp duty that went to the government. If you closed your account you'd return the cheque book and get your money back on unused cheques - indirectly from HMG.

Here are two old Midland Bank paid cheques, the first when all cheques had an embossed blue 2d revenue stamp, the second after the 1957 Cheques Act when it was just printed, no amount to cover a possible increase in duty that never happened. In 1967 I worked in a branch where a feisty lady MP had her account. She had to have special smaller cheque books to go in her handbag with only 6 cheques - cost 1/-, 5p. Enough of memory lane.

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The 'Personal Account' that I had was for very low usage, (hence the higher cheque charge but no other costs). Instead of the blue cheques (later to become yellow), the personal cheques were green and came in books of 10.
 

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The 'Personal Account' that I had was for very low usage, (hence the higher cheque charge but no other costs). Instead of the blue cheques (later to become yellow), the personal cheques were green and came in books of 10.
Until 1971 all cheques attracted 2d duty. Midland may have charged extra, but that 2d had to go to HMG.
From Hansard

Stamp Duty On Cheques​

Volume 289: debated on Thursday 29 February 1968​

The revenue from the stamp duty on cheques in the Financial year 1966–67 was £9½ million, The rate of the duty has been 2d. since 1918. If the rate were raised to 6d. the revenue might be in the region of £25 million, taking into account the probability of a consequent reduction in the use of cheques.
 

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That's pretty much how it was for me in secondary school in the late 80s/early 90s. We only left the classroom for subjects that required specialist equipment - e.g. sciences, art, music. Everything else was taught in the form room.

If nothing else, having the students move between classes cuts into teaching time.

That certainly wasn't the case when I was at school in the sixties. We moved to different classrooms for each lesson. There was the English room, the history room, the geography room etc. For one thing, all the relevant textbooks were kept in the respective rooms and the relevant teacher was based in that room and was the form master/mistress of the class that was based there. It was a ritual to flip up the lid of the desk you were sat at to see what the "owner" had left in it.
We had one room for "registration" at the beginning of the day and then moved around the school as required for each different class; teachers were generally fixed in one room. It probably wasn't the most efficient way of doing things, but it was interesting to see how different teachers customised their classrooms in what was a fairly nondescript 60s brutalist building. Our modern studies teacher had a drawing on the back room of the class that depicted the US on one side and the USSR on the other, along with cartoon heads of the leaders of the day; in the middle was a big hole where the UK was supposed to be and the captions from both leaders said "oops".

We had one block with X and Y floors: English and modern languages were taught on the former; maths, modern studies, history and classical studies were on the latter. Latin was still around, but the year before mine was the last to be taught it - that teacher wore an academic gown, which we all thought was a bit strange!

"Specialist" subjects had their own floor in the tower block:
A) biology, home economics and, latterly, computing
B) chemistry
C) physics
D) secretarial/business studies - I don't think I ever visited that floor
E) geography
F) art

"Techy" had its own block with rooms numbered T1, etc. (funnily enough), as did music and PE (M and G, respectively)

I was about to apologise for going off-topic, but there are a few things that are certainly anachronistic now: the belt/tawse is one - my secondary years started in 1986, but it was still on the go then; how many schools have forges, lathes, band-saws and other industrial machinery these days?

Also, computer networking was in its infancy and we had a single segment of co-axial cable that ran through all classes, with an "access point" in each class that consisted of a short loop of co-ax that could be disconnected in order to allow a computer with a T-piece to be plugged in; invariably there would be some individuals who forgot to replace that loop once they'd disconnected their computers and the network would grind to a complete halt - many of my computing classes consisted of having to run round, knock on doors and interrupt other classes while we checked that all the network connections were sound.
 

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Postage stamps! 2d brown for a postcard 2.5d red for a letter. All were the same class, although the postcard was effectively second.

A 2d stamp had to go on any official receipt for a payment of £2 or more, but the waters on that were becoming muddy when the Cheques Act of 1957 made fairly clear that a paid cheque was an adequate receipt. At that time there was 2d stamp duty payable on cheques - a book of 30 cheques cost 5/- (25p today). That was one reason why many bank customers wanted to have their paid cheques back. Every one would be stamped 'Paid' with the date by the bank. (Just one of the jobs being done every day in your local bank bracnch.)
Obviously we still have postcards of the holiday type, but blank ones to send a message to someone were once a thing (as in "answers on a post card please"). Can you still get them?
 

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Obviously we still have postcards of the holiday type, but blank ones to send a message to someone were once a thing (as in "answers on a post card please"). Can you still get them?
Good question. Amazon seem to sell them. I bet places like Rymans stock them. I recently noticed a part used packet of them in the place I keep stationery items, probably been there for years and used very rarely these days! Probably best used up for shopping lists or something like that. I also had a small pad of airmail weight writing paper and airmail weight envelopes (don't think any airletters however - for the light weight item folded up and was both the envelope and the thing to write on - possibly postage pre paid to save even the weight of the stamp).
 

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That certainly wasn't the case when I was at school in the sixties. We moved to different classrooms for each lesson. There was the English room, the history room, the geography room etc. For one thing, all the relevant textbooks were kept in the respective rooms and the relevant teacher was based in that room and was the form master/mistress of the class that was based there. It was a ritual to flip up the lid of the desk you were sat at to see what the "owner" had left in it.
It was similar for me in the 60s. We didn't stay in the same groups for each lesson after the third form (year 9 in new money). This meant a reshuffle of the whole school between each lesson, all planned by the head of maths using pencil and paper. He once replanned the entire timetable to allow one boy to take a particularly unusual combination of A level aubjects.
 
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It was similar for me in the 60s. We didn't stay in the same groups for each lesson after the third form (year 9 in new money). This meant a reshuffle of the whole school between each lesson, all planned by the head of maths using pencil and paper. He once replanned the entire timetable to allow one boy to take a particularly unusual combination of A level aubjects.
Would make a good roster clerk!
 

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Good question. Amazon seem to sell them. I bet places like Rymans stock them. I recently noticed a part used packet of them in the place I keep stationery items, probably been there for years and used very rarely these days!
It will be easy to determine how old postcards are as they have an outline the size of a definitive stamp. The current ones with the scannable code on them would need a larger box.
 

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It will be easy to determine how old postcards are as they have an outline the size of a definitive stamp. The current ones with the scannable code on them would need a larger box.
Good point! well I certainly know mine have been in my possession since well before Royal Mail started scannable stamps. Just a question of whether that is several years or more than a decade. :D The later probably
 

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Good point! well I certainly know mine have been in my possession since well before Royal Mail started scannable stamps. Just a question of whether that is several years or more than a decade. :D The later probably
There was a time, probably 20 years ago, when sending in postcards was the normal way to enter competitions. I stopped doing them when all the answers could be got from a Google search but I still have a goodly collectìon of blank assorted postcards.
 

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There was a time, probably 20 years ago, when sending in postcards was the normal way to enter competitions. I stopped doing them when all the answers could be got from a Google search but I still have a goodly collectìon of blank assorted postcards.
Yes, I have won a considerable number of assorted prizes from various local newspapers over the years by this method. As I lived just around the corner from the Luton Herald & Post, I would put my entry directly through their door thereby avoiding the use of a stamp. One prize that I won from them was a hefty hardback book which they sent to me by Royal Mail at a cost of nearly a fiver, if I remember rightly.
 

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Yes, I have won a considerable number of assorted prizes from various local newspapers over the years by this method. As I lived just around the corner from the Luton Herald & Post, I would put my entry directly through their door thereby avoiding the use of a stamp. One prize that I won from them was a hefty hardback book which they sent to me by Royal Mail at a cost of nearly a fiver, if I remember rightly.
Memories, memories! Winning New Year in Tromso for 2 as part of a publicity campaign for a new air route from Newcastle to Stavanger and Bergen. Faced with a lack of enthusiasm from my better half our student offspring said they'd go if we didn't. We went. It was a wonderful experience. We've been back in daylight!
 

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Good point! well I certainly know mine have been in my possession since well before Royal Mail started scannable stamps. Just a question of whether that is several years or more than a decade. :D The later probably
I was thinking of cards liberated from attics in years to come.
 

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Segs on shoes and boots, trouser turn-ups, trilby hats, dead animals hung round the shoulders of old ladies going to church, Brylcreem, cravats. On the subject of teachers with leather patched elbows I remember one who, as well as elbows, had leather sewn on frayed edges of his jacket, his cuffs, his trouser turn-ups. He also had mended his spectacles with elastoplast.
 

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Looking through one of my son’s I-Spy books (yes, they still do exist!) and it had amongst the things to spot a parking meter, the sort that is immediately adjacent to the parking space where you used to put coins in to give you a certain amount of time. I can’t recall having seen one of these for possibly decades, do they still exist anywhere? Round here it’s just pay and display machines and phone apps.

The I-Spy book was published in 2017 but I reckon they were extinct even then! I hope there’s a few in museums somewhere.
 

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Looking through one of my son’s I-Spy books (yes, they still do exist!) and it had amongst the things to spot a parking meter, the sort that is immediately adjacent to the parking space where you used to put coins in to give you a certain amount of time. I can’t recall having seen one of these for possibly decades, do they still exist anywhere? Round here it’s just pay and display machines and phone apps.
Some may have hung on for a little longer but I suspect most were gone before the turn of the milennium. It occurred to me a couple of years ago when looking at old phots from the 80s (which did feature them in the background) that even though I passed my driving test in 1992 and have been a car owner since 1999, I've never used one of those old style meters.
 

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Some may have hung on for a little longer but I suspect most were gone before the turn of the milennium. It occurred to me a couple of years ago when looking at old phots from the 80s (which did feature them in the background) that even though I passed my driving test in 1992 and have been a car owner since 1999, I've never used one of those old style meters.
It's a bit of a shame really because a row of parking meters did at least prevent pavement parking.
 

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