Rail Freight Flows and News UK

[Oxfordblues]

I thought Kelloggs were closing their Trafford Park factory soon? "Back on rail " may be only short term.

Yes indeed. That was my own speculation. I might have added Persil Automatic from Warrington but that's closing too!

 

[furnessvale]

Yes indeed. That was my own speculation. I might have added Persil Automatic from Warrington but that's closing too!

Tesco will have done their sums. The beauty of containerised traffic is that a company sending ONE HGV daily from the northwest to Tesco Daventry can now use rail. There are probably a number of such companies.

 

[JKF]

A bit curious about this timetabled path which has appeared for a service running from Southampton to Portbury from 1/10/24.

Realtime Trains | 4O20 0930 Portbury Auto Terminal Gbf to Southampton W Docks (Gbrf) | 03/10/2024

Real-time train running information for 4O20 0930 departure from Portbury Auto Terminal Gbf to Southampton W Docks (Gbrf) on 03/10/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Nothing has run yet, and I would expect route learners to run if it’s a new service. It might be an old path for the plonkliner train which hasn’t run for almost a year, in the same manner lots of expired services seem to get renewed automatically (there’s still a ‘Q’ path for the Colnbrook Lafarge stone trains which I think was a short-term thing around 3-4 years ago).

 

[distinctratio]

I was wondering if anyone might have some information as to if DCR has a new freight flow towards either Purfleet or Tilbury as it seems there's some route learning taking place as suggested by these 2 trains that have run?

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[ExRes]

I was wondering if anyone might have some information as to if DCR has a new freight flow towards either Purfleet or Tilbury as it seems there's some route learning taking place as suggested by these 2 trains that have run?

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What's been talked about is Willesden - Tilbury empties and loaded (not sure what with as yet) to East Peckham Tip, a week or so back RTT had schedules for tomorrow but they seem to have been removed

 

[Class15]

Freightliner have reintroduced the 4M88 09:32 Felixstowe - Ditton service and it still runs via Coppermill Jn and South Tottenham. From an enthusiasts’ perspective, it’s amazing, as now that DRS have ditched the 88s it’s the only electrically-hauled freight train over the GOBLIN, but is there some reason why this train takes such a roundabout route? Route knowledge retention?

 

[Freightmaster]

Now that DRS have ditched the 88s...

Really? That's news to me!



MARK

 

[Class15]

Really? That's news to me!



MARK

On the Tilbury services. Not on everything!

 

[Numbskull100]

Freightliner have reintroduced the 4M88 09:32 Felixstowe - Ditton service and it still runs via Coppermill Jn and South Tottenham. From an enthusiasts’ perspective, it’s amazing, as now that DRS have ditched the 88s it’s the only electrically-hauled freight train over the GOBLIN, but is there some reason why this train takes such a roundabout route? Route knowledge retention?

It's just the path m88 is allocated historically, certainly not for route knowledge. We'll all likely need a refresh and new drivers haven't learnt it at all will be taken off the job.

 

[distinctratio]

What's been talked about is Willesden - Tilbury empties and loaded (not sure what with as yet) to East Peckham Tip, a week or so back RTT had schedules for tomorrow but they seem to have been removed

Thanks for this. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

 

[Class15]

It's just the path m88 is allocated historically, certainly not for route knowledge. We'll all likely need a refresh and new drivers haven't learnt it at all will be taken off the job.

That makes sense. What do you mean exactly by “will be taken off the job”?

 

[Freightmaster]

What's been talked about is Willesden - Tilbury empties and loaded (not sure what with as yet) to East Peckham Tip, a week or so back RTT had schedules for tomorrow but they seem to have been removed

I've just had a quick look and the schedules are in for Wednesday 9th:

Realtime Trains | Departures from East Peckham Tip all day on 09/10/2024

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MARK

 

[ExRes]

I've just had a quick look and the schedules are in for Wednesday 9th:

Realtime Trains | Departures from East Peckham Tip all day on 09/10/2024

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MARK

Thanks @Freightmaster it's extremely tight scheduling though, unless I've missed something obvious of course, with 6O34 running today and arriving back from Chessington South at Willesden at 2133 for a 2141 departure to Tilbury RCT, excellent use of resources though ...

 

[BRX]

Thanks @Freightmaster it's extremely tight scheduling though, unless I've missed something obvious of course, with 6O34 running today and arriving back from Chessington South at Willesden at 2133 for a 2141 departure to Tilbury RCT, excellent use of resources though ...

The Cliffe to Chessington South route today is a bit odd - goes all the way up to Willesden, runs round and the all the way back to Latchmere Jn. Additionally it appears to have gone off route once getting there.

 

[HST125Scorton]

A new flow or trial by Freightliner? Hauled by the bright and pink 66587 and a rake of GBRf Blue JNAs..

Realtime Trains | Departures from Shap Summit (Fhh) all day on 08/10/2024

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[DarloRich]

A question: I have noticed some new (?) "Q" paths in RTT for Forders > Cricklewood Aggregates Dbc / Acton TC services. Does anyone have any gen on what these are about?

 

[Freightmaster]

A new flow or trial by Freightliner? Hauled by the bright and pink 66587 and a rake of GBRf Blue JNAs..

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/se...2024-10-08/0000-2359?stp=S&show=all&order=wtt

It's a new flow - partially compensates for the recent loss of the Tunstead to Hardendale traffic!


MARK

 

[Numbskull100]

That makes sense. What do you mean exactly by “will be taken off the job”?

If you don't sign T&H you can't drive it. Therefore your booked turn will be allocated to someone else.

 

[Class15]

If you don't sign T&H you can't drive it. Therefore your booked turn will be allocated to someone else.

Got it. Will Freightliner attempt to get the path rerouted via the NLL?

 

[cockneyviking]

A question: I have noticed some new (?) "Q" paths in RTT for Forders > Cricklewood Aggregates Dbc / Acton TC services. Does anyone have any gen on what these are about?

Mud trains to Forders

 

[Malaxa]

Freightliner have reintroduced the 4M88 09:32 Felixstowe - Ditton service and it still runs via Coppermill Jn and South Tottenham. From an enthusiasts’ perspective, it’s amazing, as now that DRS have ditched the 88s it’s the only electrically-hauled freight train over the GOBLIN, but is there some reason why this train takes such a roundabout route? Route knowledge retention?

This is actually a new development; 4M88 and the previous, earlier timed Lawley Street-bound intermodal which also used the, er, Suffragette line were always diesel-hauled.

 

[DarloRich]

Mud trains to Forders

I thought Forders had been capped by Crossrail dug clay and was now closed! Happy to see more freight on the Vale!

 

[Geeves]

It's a new flow - partially compensates for the recent loss of the Tunstead to Hardendale traffic!


MARK

Mark I noticed this train today at Victoria (or at least I think it's related)...

A reversal at Eccles with the loco running round is unusual. I couldn't see where it had come or was going to minus the local destinations!

Realtime Trains | 6Z20 1334 Ashburys S.S. to Guide Bridge Yard (Flhh) | 09/10/2024

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[Numbskull100]

Got it. Will Freightliner attempt to get the path rerouted via the NLL?

Nah. Another driver will take it and earn well. But cost less than changing the path.

 

[Class15]

Nah. Another driver will take it.

Excellent. Look forward to seeing it in a couple of weeks’ time when I’m free in that case.

 

[stantheman]

Dalston oil terminal said to be closing by end if the year . Prestwick to be served only from the south

 

[ayubdaud]

It's a new flow - partially compensates for the recent loss of the Tunstead to Hardendale traffic!


MARK

Is that a temporary or permanent loss of traffic to Hardendale?

 

[Steveswan10]

I assume the Margam to Hardendale has now finished, will 6V71/6M73 still run as far as Warrington Arpley as and when required for when theyvtake wagons from Margam/ADJ to Stoke Marcroft works?

 

[Freightmaster]

I assume the Margam to Hardendale has now finished, will 6V71/6M73 still run as far as Warrington Arpley as and when required for when theyvtake wagons from Margam/ADJ to Stoke Marcroft works?

Yes and yes!

A truncated 6V71 ran last night in fact:

Realtime Trains | 6V71 2153 Arpley Sidings to Margam T.C. | 09/10/2024

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MARK

 

[hwl]

Got it. Will Freightliner attempt to get the path rerouted via the NLL?

How do you get from Tilbury to NLL (and vice versa) between the hours of ~0600 and ~2345 given the traffic levels on the GEML at Forest Gate Junction mean pathing is impossible?

[Hint: Goblin electrification was needed for Crossrail off peak service levels in order to divert all ex Tilbury area (including HS1) electric freight of the NLL on to Goblin]