Same as if a stopping service found itself behind a failed express service I would think.
Just like you have with TFW and WMT between Shrewsbury and Wolverhampton and then Avanti, LNER and Cross country between Wolves and New street.
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Just like you have with TFW and WMT between Shrewsbury and Wolverhampton and then Avanti, LNER and Cross country between Wolves and New street.
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Sam 76
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To be fair it’s more likely to be what happens if the 230 gets stuck behind a 777. As much as I like them the battery units in particular are shockingly unreliable
Well we will see if the planned improvements change that
TheSel
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The influential WBRUA (Wrexham-Bidston Rail Users' Association) have always been vehemently against any form of 'skipping' stops, thus providing a lesser service to some stations. I understand this is one contributory reason why the scheduled service has been padded out to allow recovery time, rather than skip-stopping (maybe alternately in one direction only, akin to Merseyrail's provision to Capenhurst) in order for a unit to complete a round trip in two hours, which could potentially have delivered a half-hourly frequency. Of course, this would also have required the 230s to deliver the performance and reliability any reasonable person could have expected.
Whether the WBRUA could be persuaded that an 'additional' service could be "semi-fast", is another, and somewhat moot, point.
But realistically, where's the sense? Without significant infrastructure work, a "fast" service cannot pass a "slow" one on this 27 mile line, so the best you could hope to achieve would be that end-to-end, and selected "important" (my choice of word) stop users would benefit by a few minutes whilst the others are left with the existing unsatisfactory (in WBRUA's view) arrangements.
Invincible
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Guess the half day swap is to check the pollen, etc, build up on the radiators, which with full hybrid operation, could be sorted soon with the battery upgrade?
I think it’s 2 fold, check the pollen filters but also to have the unit out of service before the batteries overheat.
I’m sure I saw they had planned an extra swap (so 2 swaps and 3 units) per day during the pollen season, and I seem to remember seeing on RTT 3 separate units but I can’t see it’s going on now, so maybe I dreamt it
The upgrade is to help cool the batteries that I’m aware of. I’m not sure if TFW plan to lose the engines and go for fast charging but it they did then you would, obviously, not need a radiator to cool the engine coolant.
I’ve moved the discussion about using them in tunnels around Liverpool to a new thread now:
Is it feasible to modify the Class 230s for operation in the Liverpool Loop line tunnels?
mods note - split from this thread Island Line has 3rd rail version 230s can’t see why they can’t be retrofitted? Wasn’t the entire purpose of the 230s engine being built the way it was so it can be easily retrofitted and adapted?
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WirralLine
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It was indeed 2 swops per day a few weeks ago for the pollen season, which ever unit was out first was generally the one that came back out for the third stint. It seemed to work well but clearly isn't ideal.I think it’s 2 fold, check the pollen filters but also to have the unit out of service before the batteries overheat.
I’m sure I saw they had planned an extra swap (so 2 swaps and 3 units) per day during the pollen season, and I seem to remember seeing on RTT 3 separate units but I can’t see it’s going on now, so maybe I dreamt it
The upgrade is to help cool the batteries that I’m aware of. I’m not sure if TFW plan to lose the engines and go for fast charging but it they did then you would, obviously, not need a radiator to cool the engine coolant.
The line is awful for pollen though, I worked one morning a few weeks ago during the 2 swop season. I was in the back cab leaving Bidston and saw clouds of smoke pouring out the 230 as we accelerated - immediately thought oh dear that's not good. After I stopped at Upton and noticed no smoke or funny smells, I observed out the back a bit closer and realised it was huge clouds of pollen being blown off the long grass in the cess. Something I have never seen before!
Needless to say the 230 behaved fine, but an hour or so later I was suffering with severe heyfever, eyes streaming and non stop sneezing! I don't get on with grass pollen at all!
Glad I’m not just going mad then haha !
Wow that’s quite something! My wife struggles at the first hint of grass pollen, dread to think what she would be like !
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Hello, appreciate this is a bit late but I only heard it today.
230006 is the first unit getting the battery cooling, radiator improvements and some other mods.
Don’t know when it is planned to be completed.
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WirralLine
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I had heard when the time came for them to be brought into service 006 was found to have a severe case of "diesel bug" and was quite contaminated, it's been used as a parts donor but has been noted as moving around the depot under its own power since then.
If as said above its being used to trial new modifications that would make sense!
I think you’re a TFW employee ?
It was said by Jan on one of the ACE calls.
mikestone1952
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230007 has run to Crewe Electric Depot this afternoon.
Xenophon PCDGS
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Any idea what will that be for?
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Wheel turning probably
Northerngirl
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Any idea when it will be coming back, would be nice to get a shot of it rather out of place
Xenophon PCDGS
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It rather cuts down the half-day working unit permutations of available Class 230 units.
Lewisham2221
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Went back this evening
Realtime Trains | 5T30 1700 Crewe T.M.D. (E) to Birkenhead North E.M.U.D | 16/07/2024
Real-time train running information for 5T30 1700 departure from Crewe T.M.D. (E) to Birkenhead North E.M.U.D on 16/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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Western 52
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Lots of cancelled trains on the Borderlands line today. Class 230 issues?
pokemonsuper9
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Both 195001 and 230008 arrived in Bidston at 10:13 and 10:59 respectively the rest of their diagrams have since been cancelled "due to a problem with the traction equipment".
WirralLine
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Broken down freight train near Shotton, 6V75, apparently ran out of fuel.. rescue train coming from Newport, severe disruption expected until 1600.
Anonymous10
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Surprising nothing could be sent from Crewe for example.
Yeah exactly ! Really thought there would have been something closer
rich.davies
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No trains running between Wrexham and Bidston today due to signallers being unavailable. Buses will be running with disruption expected until 18:00
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Incident: Hope | National Rail
Lines reopened between Bidston and Wrexham Central . Find details of all current incidents on National Rail Enquiries.
childwallblues
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Presume you mean 197001. Did that go to Birkenhead North EMU Depot to layover?
CaergwrleKen
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No trains again today reason stated is signalling staff unavailable
pokemonsuper9
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Yep meant 197, I just think/talk about 195s more often and didn't notice my typo.
I imagine both went to Birkenhead but there's no paths in RTT.
197001 later returned to service for the evening runs.
Yes. Signaller at Dee Marsh was unwell. The bud was reopened at about half 10. Trains are running again now.