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Merseyrail Class 777 introduction updates

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Grumpy Git

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From Liverpool South Parkway, planned to be:

0811 to Hunts Cross
0824 to Southport
1040 to Hunts Cross
1054 to Southport
1311 to Hunts Cross
1324 to Southport
1542 to Hunts Cross
1554 to Southport
1811 to Hunts Cross
1824 to Southport

Obviously they’re not the most reliable things at the moment and this is their newest route making things even more difficult, so it may be substituted for a 507 at short notice. :)

My bolding.

507004 had the honours on the 10:54 off Hunts Cross, (I went to Cressington hoping to see a 777 there for the first time).
 
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Thanks to "507020" (Post 6082) for confirming the situation regarding 777049 and Traction Batteries, so I was not dreaming after all !!
 

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Just because a 777 doesn't do it's whole diagram doesn't mean it failed. Still entirely possible for a driver or guard to be replaced with one who isn't competent on the traction, so a 507/8 would be substituted rather than cancel the service.

I'd love it if MR/MT could be more transparent about failures though, hopefully some stats come out eventually when the LCR raises it.
 

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Hopefully more reliable in the future but still no news of 8 car couplings and they have been here 3 years now !
 

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Just because a 777 doesn't do it's whole diagram doesn't mean it failed. Still entirely possible for a driver or guard to be replaced with one who isn't competent on the traction, so a 507/8 would be substituted rather than cancel the service.

I'd love it if MR/MT could be more transparent about failures though, hopefully some stats come out eventually when the LCR raises it.
Fairly sure towards the end of the day it was back on the diagram. Could be wrong though

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Having now ridden the 777 to work over the last few days from Southport to Central I must say I’m quite impressed, more so than I was during the short runs I’ve had. Other than the bit leaving Formby which was a bit rough over the jointed track it was generally very nice and smooth and the seats didn’t bother me at all (I am quite short so granted this may be a factor). Overall I think they are going to be a worthy replacement to the 507/508s once the issues are ironed out and 8 car working is a thing
 

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Just because a 777 doesn't do it's whole diagram doesn't mean it failed. Still entirely possible for a driver or guard to be replaced with one who isn't competent on the traction, so a 507/8 would be substituted rather than cancel the service.

I'd love it if MR/MT could be more transparent about failures though, hopefully some stats come out eventually when the LCR raises it.
Maybe for the Southport line at the moment but otherwise that wouldn't happen, theres 2 separate links for 50x and 777 drivers.
 

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Another shambolic day today with the 777 on the Southport line failing to operate the 0939 and currently the Wirral Line has both a Chester and an Ellesmere Port line train cancelled, with the West Kirby line's 777 nine minutes late.

Edit - Kirkby Headbolt Lane line now also down as of 1500 due to a train failure with replacement buses from Aintree. No proper info on the social media channels about today's raft of cancellations, either.

Running the Southport line 777 immediately before the missing diagram in the evening is completely brainless. They should know by now these trains are still well off being trustworthy.
 
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I was on the previous working of the service that forms the 0939 from Southport and the train crew announced several times that the rearmost doors were locked out of use - that couldn't have been fun for the passengers in that part of the train, as it was full and standing and it is the only set of doors in that coach.

Wonder if that was why they took it out of service? No shortage of 777s in Southport sidings to obtain a replacement though. :D
 

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I was on the previous working of the service that forms the 0939 from Southport and the train crew announced several times that the rearmost doors were locked out of use - that couldn't have been fun for the passengers in that part of the train, as it was full and standing and it is the only set of doors in that coach.

Wonder if that was why they took it out of service? No shortage of 777s in Southport sidings to obtain a replacement though. :D
Question is if they are signed off/accepted by Merseytravel/LCRCA and are fit for passenger use. A lot of the ones usually at Southport are normally stored awaiting FFR runs or undertaking FFR. 777020 is/was operating on Southport services today.
 

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Question is if they are signed off/accepted by Merseytravel/LCRCA and are fit for passenger use. A lot of the ones usually at Southport are normally stored awaiting FFR runs or undertaking FFR. 777020 is/was operating on Southport services today.
777020 had this issue as well with one set of doors on the 07:09 from Southport but did make it to Hunts cross and back by the sounds of it. Just gone past it and it appears to be going again which is good :)
 
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I travelled on the Ormskirk line today, and both units I travelled on had broken doors/door out of use lights illuminated. I guess as their components will operate over 100 times per day they are now starting to fail. Both were in the end cars which probably get the most use. I presume these will use an electric motor rather than air as well.
 

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We appear to have jumped from teething troubles to problems caused by wear and tear with nothing in between. That can't be good.
I doubt that it's the door drives themselves that are at fault - they are an off-the-shelf module made by IFE used by multiple rollibg stock manufacturers in everything from trams to inter-urban trains. The fact that the door issues are mostly seen in the end carriages may be important. It was decided to only fit one set of doors in the longer end carriages (the Class 555s have two, as do most of the other Stadler METRO family designs). This will naturally cause passengers to congregate there under peak loading conditions leading to the floor loading problems that then cause the step mechanism to jam, which then requires the door to be isolated to allow the train to continue to run.

I was interested to read the post from last week about a 777 door failure on the Wirral where one of the doors came out of it's track. That could infer some degree of flexing or distortion of the bodyshell, which may also be a factor in the issues with the floor in that area. Under peak loading conditions, the passenger loading around the single door may be forming a large point load on the monocoque bodyshell, positioned almost directly at the midpoint between the two bogie pivots (like loading a fixed beam at the midpoint between it's end supports) where you would expect to see maximum deflection.

I wonder if Stadler did a physical load test on an instrumented bodyshell at the factory before going into full production, or did they rely on FEA simulations from the design stage and operational experience of previous METRO variants? It's not like they would be the first rolling stock maufacturer to discover unpredicted structural issues with their aluminium monocoque bodyshell designs once they had got into service.
 
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They were there on the 17th of November and we're not far off the 17th of December! I guess the need to move them isn't too pressing.

There is currently an 1829 6Q77 Db Cargo Fan to Kirkdale CS schedule on RTT for next Monday


* I've also just spotted Tuesday schedules for 0501 6Z78 Kirkdale to Walton Old Jct and 2309 6Q79 return *
 

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Just watched them lock out the door on 777001s leading car at Moorfields on a Chester service. Door was jammed half open.
 

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Just watched them lock out the door on 777001s leading car at Moorfields on a Chester service. Door was jammed half open.
Clearly there are 'door' issues with the Class 777's and not going anywhere fast either! On Sat, 2nd December, No 777010 arrived at Hamilton Square Station from Chester, hardly any standing room only and had sticking door (would not open, other door ok) on second carriage, train was therefore cancelled and everyone told to get off! All passengers eventually got on the next three arrivals to carry on their journey to Liverpool.
 

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Clearly there are 'door' issues with the Class 777's and not going anywhere fast either! On Sat, 2nd December, No 777010 arrived at Hamilton Square Station from Chester, hardly any standing room only and had sticking door (would not open, other door ok) on second carriage, train was therefore cancelled and everyone told to get off! All passengers eventually got on the next three arrivals to carry on their journey to Liverpool.
There was another one this evening in the loop with a jammed step which blocked everything for a fair while. Appeared to be 2Y26 (E Port line) which caused the issues, left MRF 23 late, Lime St 28 late, before terminating at Hooton 31 late due to a "fault with the doors".

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If you look at the doors they look as if they are running on a roller skate and not something that should last 40 years . Poor design i would say.
 

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If you look at the doors they look as if they are running on a roller skate and not something that should last 40 years . Poor design i would say.
Same door design that’s in use on thousands of other holes. Summat is causing things to fail, I suspect @Prime586 might be on the money.
 
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