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Zoe

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This seems completely pointless, drivers have extensive route knowledge and don't have control over the route their train will take.
 

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This seems completely pointless, drivers have extensive route knowledge and don't have control over the route their train will take.

This.. Pretty much no reason for one what so ever. Unless they are developing something for drivers which means they can go off onto a route they dont know and this will aid them without having to learn the knowledge of the route.

But i cant ever see that being allowed.
 

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possibly be handy as an aid to knowing the line layout and signal numbers ahead? Could help with pinpointing locations in an emergency?
 

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possibly be handy as an aid to knowing the line layout and signal numbers ahead? Could help with pinpointing locations in an emergency?

They have to know this anyway so why would they need a device to tell them what they have learnt?
 

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I have heard a rumour that Garmin are just about to release a system for Train drivers and TOC's in general. Anybody else heard anything?

Unipart Rail sell a sat nav of sorts, it's called a schedule advisory system. It uses GPS positioning in conjunction with route data and timings. It informs the drivers how they are performing against the timetable, and tells them when to coast etc. The in service trials have shown significant fuel savings benefits.:D
 

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Are you doubting that drivers have extensive route knowledge?

Oh dear me, Zoe! Don't take things too seriously! lol Have you ever heard of the expression 'tongue-in-cheek' or 'sense of humour'? Forums should reflect life in general and, as such, they should also have a little bit of humour on them in my humble opinion. This post was supoosed to be light hearted but it seems some people believe everything they read lol
 

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I'd be very worried - the stories you hear about HGV drivers getting stuck down narrow country lanes, or setting-out for Gibralter and ending-up at the end of East Yorkshire at Gibralter Point! ;) ;)
 

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This seems completely pointless, drivers have extensive route knowledge and don't have control over the route their train will take.

Drivers do have control of the route their train will take, that is the point of route knowledge, to stop a signaller wrong routing them :)
 

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Drivers do have control of the route their train will take, that is the point of route knowledge, to stop a signaller wrong routing them
They don't have direct control though, all they can do is refuse to accept a route set for them. In the case of Cogload Junction though even this is not possible. If you approach from Taunton on the GWML, by the time you have seen the feather is not illuminated for the Berks and Hants it's a bit too late and you are going to stay on the GWML even if you want the Berks and Hants.
 

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Makes me think of a Driver i used to work with, he was signalled the wrong side of a junction and took it. :oops:
 

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Remember also speed based signalling is the future so route knowledge will be less important.
 

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Drivers do have control of the route their train will take, that is the point of route knowledge, to stop a signaller wrong routing them :)


There are high speed junctions out there where you wouldn't be able to pull up in time.
 
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Zoe

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There's are of high speed junctions out there where you wouldn't be able to pull up in time.
Cogload Junction is the most obvious. 100 mph GWML to GWML, 90 mph GWML to Berks and Hants with feather. Which other examples are there?
 

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Cogload Junction is the most obvious. 100 mph GWML to GWML, 90 mph GWML to Berks and Hants with feather. Which other examples are there?

Colton on the Up springs to mind.

At least we're turning a juvenile thread into something displaying a modicum of thought.
 

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I think he might be thinking of ETCS, which can display a gradient profile in some configuations but works off Axle Rotation and on track Beacons
 

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Cogload Junction is the most obvious. 100 mph GWML to GWML, 90 mph GWML to Berks and Hants with feather. Which other examples are there?

Dont you get counted down by signals to your feathers?
 

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I think he means checked down. At Cogload I don't think it is approach controlled.
Correct, seeing as to diverege onto the Berks and Hants you only have to slow down from 100 mph to 90 mph approach control would be a bit pointless.
 

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PRIs arent that prevelant on the network ??, Ive only seen them on areas recently re-signalled. Rugby and Birmingham International are the most obvious ones Ive seen.
 

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I'm not sure that a 90 mph diverging route speed where the main line speed is 100 mph justifies a flashing yellow.

Maybe, I was thinking of advance indication that isn't restrictive if you see what I mean...
 

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Maybe, I was thinking of advance indication that isn't restrictive if you see what I mean...
It's not too bad if you take the wrong route at Cogload, in most cases you can get still get to your destination although you will arrive late.
 
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