Lockdown effects now killing/harming more people than Covid

[Bikeman78]

Laura Dodsworth's reflections on this in her very readable, and disturbing, book 'A State Of Fear,' are very perceptive/ insightful.

A State of Fear

This is a book about fear. Fear of a virus. Fear of death. Fear of losing our jobs, our democracy, our human connections, our health and our minds. It's also about how the government weaponised our fear against us – supposedly in our best interests – until we were one of the most frightened...

www.google.co.uk

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Thanks for the tip. It's an interesting read. This sentence "the pursuit of safety is our biggest danger, driven by fears and exaggerated fears" sums up the world we live in.

 

[MikeWM]

Thanks for the tip. It's an interesting read. This sentence "the pursuit of safety is our biggest danger, driven by fears and exaggerated fears" sums up the world we live in.

I don't think there is any doubt that governments are well aware of the 'value' fear can have in controlling and guiding a population. But it is something I don't think we'd ever seen used to any great degree in this country before though, certainly not in my lifetime. Even in the World Wars the government seemed to recognise the value of keeping public morale up, not terrorising them with the idea that they may be about to die horribly.

I've just finished my occasional watch of the ever-relevant and ever-more-prescient 'V for Vendetta', where this is pretty much the central theme. As I was watching it I recalled the last time I watched it was on November 5th two years ago - the first day of 'Lockdown 2'. In many ways we've gone 'back to normal' since then - but actually, we haven't quite, have we? Now instead we have almost constant economic fear, nuclear war fear, climate fear, and remember the attempt to scare us over monkeypox?

To quote the rather chilling speech from the film

And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there?

Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those who are more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror.

I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn't be? War, terror, disease. There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you...

 

[duncanp]

And here is more evidence of the long term damage that lockdown has caused.

Funnily enough, SAGE and Fake SAGE are conspicuous by their absence on this topic, and you don't hear anything from (Sir) Chris Twitty either.

Child speech delays increase following lockdowns

Pupils needing language support rises by 10% in post-pandemic school starters, BBC analysis finds.

www.bbc.co.uk

Child speech delays increase due to lockdowns​

The number of five and six year olds who need speech and language support at school has risen by 10% in England over the past year, BBC analysis shows.
The increase, which is substantially greater than previous years, is partly due to lockdown limiting social interactions, experts say.
The Royal College of Speech and Language Therapists says the profession is struggling to cope with the demand.
The government says it is investing £180m in early years development.
The BBC's Shared Data Unit's analysis found that the number of children in Year 1 who needed help with their language use increased more than most other areas of special educational needs.
A total of 42,341 children required extra support in 2021/22, up from 38,560 in 2020/21.
This is the year group who started reception after the first lockdown and had considerable disruption to their early years learning.
Previous rises in speech and language needs have been put down to larger student numbers and better detection in schools but the latest increase is much bigger.

Charity Speech and Language UK told the BBC that Covid restrictions affected some children's development by limiting socialising and new experiences, which helps them learn new words.
At Northwood Community Primary School in Knowsley, Merseyside, there is a higher number of children experiencing language issues than previous years. Out of 500 pupils, around 80 now require extra support.
When Lewis, who is seven, first arrived, his teachers noticed he was withdrawn, finding it hard to make friends, and struggling to express himself.
"You couldn't hold a full conversation with Lewis," his mum Christine Williams explains.
"He would point for a cup because he was too nervous to tell me what he wanted in case I didn't understand. It was a real struggle."
Christine said it was particularly hard during the pandemic when he was no longer seeing friends in person.
His headteacher, Sarah Murphy, believes the pandemic has affected children's natural communication and interaction skills, particularly for those who started school in September 2020 after the first lockdown.
She said the BBC's analysis reflected her own experience as a teacher. She has found students who had experienced disrupted early years learning - Pre-School to Reception - struggled once they reached Year 1 as they had missed opportunities for play-based learning.

Louisa Reeves is a speech and language therapist who has been working closely with the school. She says some of the children have less vocabulary, while others find it difficult to understand instructions, are struggling to take turns or negotiate over games.
Teachers have adapted their classroom teaching to include lots of intervention and small group work.
Lewis was given a place in the school's specialist speech hub which has 20 spaces for children across Knowsley with language difficulties.
The children attend small group sessions with trained staff and speech and language therapists and through play, music and talking exercises, develop the skills they need.
Christine says she can now hold a conversation with Lewis and his confidence has improved dramatically. She hopes he can return to his mainstream classroom soon.
"I could never, ever, repay the school for what they have done for Lewis," she says.

 

[Eyersey468]

And here is more evidence of the long term damage that lockdown has caused.

Funnily enough, SAGE and Fake SAGE are conspicuous by their absence on this topic, and you don't hear anything from (Sir) Chris Twitty either.

Child speech delays increase following lockdowns

Pupils needing language support rises by 10% in post-pandemic school starters, BBC analysis finds.

www.bbc.co.uk

None of this surprises me, only Covid matters to SAGE and fake SAGE hence why they don't mention it

 

[yorkie]

And here is more evidence of the long term damage that lockdown has caused.

Funnily enough, SAGE and Fake SAGE are conspicuous by their absence on this topic, and you don't hear anything from (Sir) Chris Twitty either.

Child speech delays increase following lockdowns

Pupils needing language support rises by 10% in post-pandemic school starters, BBC analysis finds.

www.bbc.co.uk

My union supported this; I am so glad I quit them. I would like someone from the union to have a (full, not 5 minute!) argument with me over their stance.

I can forgive anyone who now admits school closures/restrictions in schools were wrong, but if anyone still thinks they were right, I'd be up for an argument...

 

[Eyersey468]

The thing is a lot of the damage done was so predictable and those who tried to point this out were vilified for it, now those who were vilifying us are either complaining about the damage or wanting an amnesty. There will be no amnesty from me against those who can't say they got it badly wrong.

 

[duncanp]

None of this surprises me, only Covid matters to SAGE and fake SAGE hence why they don't mention it

Dear Honours Forfeiture Committee

About the knighthood that was given to Chris Twitty, and the George Cross awarded to the entire NHS, would you consider cancelling these two awards because.......

 

[MikeWM]

And here is more evidence of the long term damage that lockdown has caused.

I see they managed to write the whole of that article without mentioning the word 'mask' once, despite the very well known fact that young children seeing other people's mouths forming words is important to their language development. How odd.

It does seem that the media is *very slowly* coming around to the idea that maybe lockdown wasn't the best idea ever after all, but we still have a long way to go. And that's before we get onto other things that we also need to have dealt with and return to '2019 logic' on, such as the negative effects of mandatory masking, the existence of natural immunity, the problems with vaccinating healthy people at no risk from the disease and them being strongly coerced them into doing so, etc. etc.

The latest line appears to be something along the lines of 'well, maybe {lockdown} wasn't the right thing to do, but we didn't know enough at the time'. Which (a) isn't true, as we all should know full well, as the issues that lockdowns were going to cause were debated here for example very early on, and most of us aren't 'experts', it was just obvious, and (b) even if it was true, is exactly why you *shouldn't* do something as unprecedented and dangerous as confining the entire population to their homes for months on end. Repeatedly. Unless you have *incredibly* good evidence that it is the right thing to do for society as a whole.

 

[island]

Worrying article in the Irish Times about how old people are still being affected by changes forced on them during lockdowns.

Many older people still living ‘lockdown lives’ and struggling to regain independence

Some have yet to regain control over their finances whether through choice or otherwise

www.irishtimes.com

Although evidence suggests older people were more mentally resilient than younger people through lockdowns, they were worst hit by bereavement, cocooning and a lack of access to healthcare, the charity said.

Many are also finding it difficult to break free of routines established over the past three years, said Celine Clarke, Age Action’s head of advocacy and public affairs...

 

[Bikeman78]

I've just finished my occasional watch of the ever-relevant and ever-more-prescient 'V for Vendetta', where this is pretty much the central theme. As I was watching it I recalled the last time I watched it was on November 5th two years ago - the first day of 'Lockdown 2'. In many ways we've gone 'back to normal' since then - but actually, we haven't quite, have we? Now instead we have almost constant economic fear, nuclear war fear, climate fear, and remember the attempt to scare us over monkeypox?

You can add fear of terrorism to that list. It's notable that, when Covid crops up in conversation at work, more and more of the previously cautious people say things like "I can't believe we did that."

 

[66250]

An interesting watch;

THE SEQUEL TO THE FALL OF THE CABAL - PART 25: Covid-19 - Torture Program

This is the eighth episode about Covid-19, the biggest medical scam of all times. Covid-19 was not a killer virus. The MSM was the real virus. When the CDC, NHS, and other ‘health care’ organisations did a recount of the amount of deaths truly connected to Covid-19, it turned out to be nothing...

www.bitchute.com

Covid-19 was not a killer virus. The MSM was the real virus. When the CDC, NHS, and other ‘health care’ organisations did a recount of the amount of deaths truly connected to Covid-19, it turned out to be nothing more than a mild flue. How did the authorities brainwash the people into believing their lies? By means of an effective torture program, as confirmed by Amnesty International and others. Eight ways to effectively torture people into obedience had been let loose on the population. Most people succumbed. Don’t miss this episode in order to understand how the human mind works and how it could ever get to this point.


Part 25: this is the eighth episode about Covid-19, the biggest medical scam of all times.
By Janet Ossebaard & Cyntha Koeter

 

[Dent]

An interesting watch;

THE SEQUEL TO THE FALL OF THE CABAL - PART 25: Covid-19 - Torture Program

This is the eighth episode about Covid-19, the biggest medical scam of all times. Covid-19 was not a killer virus. The MSM was the real virus. When the CDC, NHS, and other ‘health care’ organisations did a recount of the amount of deaths truly connected to Covid-19, it turned out to be nothing...

www.bitchute.com

I haven't watched it, but phrases like "The MSM was the real virus" set alarm bells ringing about the quality and intellectual level of the presentation. It sounds more like childish name-calling against a vaguely defined bogeyman than rational criticism of the conduct of specific individuals in specific incidents.

 

[greyman42]

I don't think there is any doubt that governments are well aware of the 'value' fear can have in controlling and guiding a population. But it is something I don't think we'd ever seen used to any great degree in this country before though, certainly not in my lifetime.

I honestly thought that the British public would never be so gullible as to fall for a lot of the rubbish that was spouted. Unless the prospect of staying at home stuffing themselves with Jaffa Cakes all day and getting paid for it swayed them.

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The latest line appears to be something along the lines of 'well, maybe {lockdown} wasn't the right thing to do, but we didn't know enough at the time'. Which (a) isn't true, as we all should know full well, as the issues that lockdowns were going to cause were debated here for example very early on, and most of us aren't 'experts', it was just obvious, and (b) even if it was true, is exactly why you *shouldn't* do something as unprecedented and dangerous as confining the entire population to their homes for months on end. Repeatedly. Unless you have *incredibly* good evidence that it is the right thing to do for society as a whole.

Exactly. Lockdown seems to of been the default option.

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In many ways we've gone 'back to normal' since then - but actually, we haven't quite, have we? Now instead we have almost constant economic fear, nuclear war fear, climate fear, and remember the attempt to scare us over monkeypox?

The economic problems are down to the war in the Ukraine. As for climate fear and Monkeypox, most people do not give them much thought. They certainly don't cause any "fear" for the more sensible people.

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My union supported this; I am so glad I quit them. I would like someone from the union to have a (full, not 5 minute!) argument with me over their stance.

I can forgive anyone who now admits school closures/restrictions in schools were wrong, but if anyone still thinks they were right, I'd be up for an argument...

No one will be up for an argument because they know they were wrong but will not admit it.

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There will be no amnesty from me against those who can't say they got it badly wrong.

Such as the Labour party.

 

[Darandio]

The economic problems are down to the war in the Ukraine.

The economic problems were set in stone long before the war came along. The £350+ billion Covid cost was always going come into play at some point down the line.

 

[greyman42]

The economic problems were set in stone long before the war came along. The £350+ billion Covid cost was always going come into play at some point down the line.

That's true. Lockdown and furlough went on for too long and some people thought there would be no fiscal consequences.

 

[duncanp]

Worrying article in the Irish Times about how old people are still being affected by changes forced on them during lockdowns.

Many older people still living ‘lockdown lives’ and struggling to regain independence

Some have yet to regain control over their finances whether through choice or otherwise

www.irishtimes.com

Some people still insist on opening all the windows on the bus, even as the weather gets colder, because "..it makes our journey safer.."

Like the little <expletive deleted> who opened the window above where I was sitting on the bus this lunchtime.

 

[Enthusiast]

Unless the prospect of staying at home stuffing themselves with Jaffa Cakes all day and getting paid for it swayed

I always thought it was chocolate Hobnobs!

 

[Bikeman78]

Some people still insist on opening all the windows on the bus, even as the weather gets colder, because "..it makes our journey safer.."

Like the little <expletive deleted> who opened the window above where I was sitting on the bus this lunchtime.

The electric buses in Cardiff have air con but the windows have been open on them from day one. Absolute joke.

 

[duncanp]

The electric buses in Cardiff have air con but the windows have been open on them from day one. Absolute joke.

Er, doesn't that defeat the purpose of air con?

Still never mind, at least you can relax in the knowledge that Cardiff Buses are "...keeping you safe..." (from COVID, that is), despite the fact that they are ******* money up the wall spending money on air con that is useless.

 

[DerekC]

Aircon on buses? Modern cosseting! A winter bus journey us meant to be made surrounded by a good fug and with the windows streaming with condensation so you can't see out! I appreciate that alternative views tend to be unwelcome in this area of the Forum, but it is pretty widely accepted that good ventilation helps reduce the spread of airborne diseases of all kinds. Why doesn't Cardiff Buses just switch the heating off and ask passengers to wear warmer clothes?

 

[bleeder4]

Why doesn't Cardiff Buses just switch the heating off and ask passengers to wear warmer clothes?

I agree entirely, but it seems society frowns on that sort of statement. I've seen people make that comment on TV and then get castigated afterwards. Trial by Twitter! I recall Boris had some abuse at some point for making a similar comment when he was PM. So Cardiff buses probably don't want the abuse they'll inevitably get.

 

[DustyBin]

I agree entirely, but it seems society frowns on that sort of statement. I've seen people make that comment on TV and then get castigated afterwards. Trial by Twitter! I recall Boris had some abuse at some point for making a similar comment when he was PM. So Cardiff buses probably don't want the abuse they'll inevitably get.

As much as I'm a big fan of fresh air (as opposed to recirculated air) you can't expect people to sit in the cold when travelling, nor dress specially for the occasion. It smacks of grandstanding if you ask me and is very unlikely to be protecting anybody. Having a window or two open is one thing, but a policy of opening them all is daft. What would these people do on a modern train one wonders....

 

[Bikeman78]

Aircon on buses? Modern cosseting! A winter bus journey us meant to be made surrounded by a good fug and with the windows streaming with condensation so you can't see out! I appreciate that alternative views tend to be unwelcome in this area of the Forum, but it is pretty widely accepted that good ventilation helps reduce the spread of airborne diseases of all kinds. Why doesn't Cardiff Buses just switch the heating off and ask passengers to wear warmer clothes?

I'm struggling to tell if you are being serious. Are you genuinely proposing that we don't heat buses in winter? What about trains? I've been on trains without heating. It's not fun.

 

[Darandio]

Why doesn't Cardiff Buses just switch the heating off and ask passengers to wear warmer clothes?

Back in December 2020 I posted on here about a bus service up my neck of the woods. All windows were open and despite having several layers on with a hat it was absolutely freezing and I couldn't keep warm when the bus was moving at speed, the return journey was even more entertaining with sleet coming through the windows. One lady in front actually asked the driver at one of the stops if the windows could be closed and got short shrift.

If I as a reasonably healthy bloke couldn't keep warm, what chance have 75 year old Mary and John got? It's absurd to suggest windows should be left open on public transport when sub-zero air is flowing through the windows. It's equally absurd that were here in 2022 and people are still suggesting such a thing. What next, bring your electric blanket and take advantage of the on board power sockets? Or maybe I shouldn't give you lot ideas.

 

[kristiang85]

I'm struggling to tell if you are being serious. Are you genuinely proposing that we don't heat buses in winter? What about trains? I've been on trains without heating. It's not fun.

I was so happy this morning to get on my SWR train, soaking wet, to find that - for once -it was nice and toasty.

On another note, I've realised so many of my local pubs don't bother with heating now. They are bloody cold. I still patronise them given I want them to survive, and I don't blame them given the bills, but they aren't the cosy places they used to be. Sign of the times I guess....

More on topic, I dread to think how many pensioners can't afford to heat their homes this winter. If early predictions of a long cold snap come true, it could be quite catastrophic for some.

 

[Enthusiast]

I'm struggling to tell if you are being serious. Are you genuinely proposing that we don't heat buses in winter? What about trains? I've been on trains without heating. It's not fun.

The first buses in London to have saloon heaters were Routemasters, introduced in bulk in the early 1960s. Prior to that the RT family had no heaters. RMs' heaters consisted of a small grill at the front of the lower saloon and two smaller grills below the front windows of the upper saloon. Remembering, of course, that the buses had open rear platforms.

The heaters were totally inadequate and might just as well not have been there. You wore an overcoat, hat, gloves and a scarf when travelling by bus. Most conductors wore greatcoats and fingerless gloves (they spent a lot of their journeys travelling on the open platform).

 

[Bikeman78]

The first buses in London to have saloon heaters were Routemasters, introduced in bulk in the early 1960s. Prior to that the RT family had no heaters. RMs' heaters consisted of a small grill at the front of the lower saloon and two smaller grills below the front windows of the upper saloon. Remembering, of course, that the buses had open rear platforms.

The heaters were totally inadequate and might just as well not have been there. You wore an overcoat, hat, gloves and a scarf when travelling by bus. Most conductors wore greatcoats and fingerless gloves (they spent a lot of their journeys travelling on the open platform).

It's a fair point. I travelled on Routemasters a lot in their last few years though I think most of the runs were during the warmer months.

Recently I came down the Marches on a 150. Almost every seat taken and every window firmly shut. It seems that people prefer to stay warm than have cold air howling through the coach at 75 mph.

 

[DustyBin]

The first buses in London to have saloon heaters were Routemasters, introduced in bulk in the early 1960s. Prior to that the RT family had no heaters. RMs' heaters consisted of a small grill at the front of the lower saloon and two smaller grills below the front windows of the upper saloon. Remembering, of course, that the buses had open rear platforms.

The heaters were totally inadequate and might just as well not have been there. You wore an overcoat, hat, gloves and a scarf when travelling by bus. Most conductors wore greatcoats and fingerless gloves (they spent a lot of their journeys travelling on the open platform).

I’m amazed that RTs and RFs don’t have heaters; I’d honestly never noticed! I think it’s because they were so ahead of their time in a lot of other ways. Even the generally very basic ECW bodied Bristols (L and K types) I occasionally play with have saloon heaters……

 

[RT4038]

The first buses in London to have saloon heaters were Routemasters, introduced in bulk in the early 1960s. Prior to that the RT family had no heaters. RMs' heaters consisted of a small grill at the front of the lower saloon and two smaller grills below the front windows of the upper saloon. Remembering, of course, that the buses had open rear platforms.

The heaters were totally inadequate and might just as well not have been there. You wore an overcoat, hat, gloves and a scarf when travelling by bus. Most conductors wore greatcoats and fingerless gloves (they spent a lot of their journeys travelling on the open platform).

The first buses in London to have saloon heaters from new may well have been Routemasters. Saloon heaters were fitted retrospectively to RT (and RF) vehicles from 1962 onwards - country buses at first and then in 1964 the central area vehicles not destined for early withdrawal. I believe the Green Line spec vehicles had them fitted in the 50s.

 

[DustyBin]

The first buses in London to have saloon heaters from new may well have been Routemasters. Saloon heaters were fitted retrospectively to RT (and RF) vehicles from 1962 onwards - country buses at first and then in 1964 the central area vehicles not destined for early withdrawal. I believe the Green Line spec vehicles had them fitted in the 50s.

Presumably then most if not all preserved examples (maybe except RT1 etc.) have heaters?

Edited to apologise to the mods for veering wildly off topic!