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On a visit to Crewe yesterday, I noted a Loco-hauled MK3 in ScotRail InterCity (1980s) livery. Would the recent acquisition of DBSO 9704 from DRS (also observed, still in full DRS) point towards a new LSL rake? IIRC 47712 is in an appropriate livery...
On a visit to Crewe yesterday, I noted a Loco-hauled MK3 in ScotRail InterCity (1980s) livery. Would the recent acquisition of DBSO 9704 from DRS (also observed, still in full DRS) point towards a new LSL rake? IIRC 47712 is in an appropriate livery...
I thought it was the intention of the owners of 47712 (it is only on hire to Locomotive Services Ltd) to create a short push pull rake. I think they also bought a few (three?) mark 3s and a DBSO.
Ex GA 11066 and 10404, in white, were shunted onto the aforementioned MK3 during the day. A photo emerged of a second ScotRail MK3 in the same livery later in the day, and with the DBSO gives a 5 coach rake.
Is the intention to fit 47712 with TDM, to operate as an actual push-pull set?
(Given the original BR/Brush two-wire simplified TDM equipment has almost certainly long gone and the DBSOs were all converted to the modern TDM system, so wouldn't be backwards compatible anyway.)
I thought it was the intention of the owners of 47712 (it is only on hire to Locomotive Services Ltd) to create a short push pull rake. I think they also bought a few (three?) mark 3s and a DBSO.
They do, their vehicles are still over in the Crewe Heritage Centre. Though, as both operations largely have the same people at the helm (the owners of 712 + the Mk3s and DBSO), and LSL, something is seemingly afoot between the two operations. Hopefully these Mk3s will retain some Standard Class this time!
They do, their vehicles are still over in the Crewe Heritage Centre. Though, as both operations largely have the same people at the helm (the owners of 712 + the Mk3s and DBSO), and LSL, something is seemingly afoot between the two operations. Hopefully these Mk3s will retain some Standard Class this time!
(The sets were reduced to 5-coaches for a period in 1986 after the FO were converted to CO, but then made back up to 6 mostly in 1987, sometimes with a Mk2D TSO interloper.)
On a visit to Crewe yesterday, I noted a Loco-hauled MK3 in ScotRail InterCity (1980s) livery. Would the recent acquisition of DBSO 9704 from DRS (also observed, still in full DRS) point towards a new LSL rake? IIRC 47712 is in an appropriate livery...
I think it was always the plan to return the set to as the same as the olden days of push pull on the Edinburgh -Glasgow/Aberdeen shove sets. It's been in the long term planning for it.712 was restricted to 75 mph before it's new bogies and tyres were fitted.
I think it was always the plan to return the set to as the same as the olden days of push pull on the Edinburgh -Glasgow/Aberdeen shove sets. It's been in the long term planning for it.712 was restricted to 75 mph before it's new bogies and tyres were fitted.
I hadn't realised that was an aim, it seemed to be more dream-like than a possible reality.
It will be very nice to see it out up here.
I wonder if thet are they planning an appearance in time for ScotRail's 40th anniversary as a brand next year. Or for when the livery turns 40 a littlr further on.
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Yes, but they were removed when the vehicles passed to the GEML and the requirements for front-end lights, note the marker above where the gangway connection would be, means refitting isn't practical.
Being completely strict on historical accuracy, the livery should be using Intercity Falcon Grey and not black too. Given the way those cabs were (very) heavily rebuilt by RVEL, I’d be surprised if they could easily re-instate the original corridor connection now.
They are to prevent the wipers sliding off the window when propelling!
Only added when they were transferred to the GEML and the gangways removed.
I understand the removal of the gangway altered the leading airflow and caused problems with the wipers being blown off at speed, hence the 'blinkers' to stop that.
In answer to your question, there is a photo dated from 10 days ago on the loco's own dedicated Facebook page - in the photo she is still wearing ScotRail.
The set looks amazing. Surely though they’ll have to have a second TDM-fitted loco? Seems like spending all that money to refurbish this set to a high standard, but only having one loco able to work with it seems like a bit of a wild idea?!
The set looks amazing. Surely though they’ll have to have a second TDM-fitted loco? Seems like spending all that money to refurbish this set to a high standard, but only having one loco able to work with it seems like a bit of a wild idea?!
The set looks amazing. Surely though they’ll have to have a second TDM-fitted loco? Seems like spending all that money to refurbish this set to a high standard, but only having one loco able to work with it seems like a bit of a wild idea?!
scotrail livery still looks very smart all these years later, i seem to prefer it to intercity livery for some reason, the last time i personally saw a dbso it was in anglia livery but nice to see all these retro liveries on railtours now
Indeed - even if it were possible, it would be a fruitless exercise to fit TDM, given that it's being ripped out of Mk3s, Mk4s and (eventually) the Class 90s.
Fitting Blue Star to the loco(s) will not be required as the Blue Star system on the DBSO and stock has been modified to work with the Green Circle system on the 47.
Although 47712 will naturally be the dedicated loco for this set, this should mean that any Green Circle fitted loco will be able to work in push-pull mode with the DBSO.
A tour is pencilled in early next year following main line testing which will commence shortly.
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47s are perfectly capable of reaching well in excess of 100mph and not just the 47/7s which were authorised for this speed.
Whether authorised or not, when the 47/7s migrated south to T&C services and then the 'Mule' as well as on Parcels trains and hired in for IC / XC services, many drivers took advantage of the sign in the cab which read 'Max Speed 100mph' despite it not being officially sanctioned on any other routes than those approved in Scotland.
Fitting Blue Star to the loco(s) will not be required as the Blue Star system on the DBSO and stock has been modified to work with the Green Circle system on the 47.
Although 47712 will naturally be the dedicated loco for this set, this should mean that any Green Circle fitted loco will be able to work in push-pull mode with the DBSO.
A tour is pencilled in early next year following main line testing which will commence shortly.
47s are perfectly capable of reaching well in excess of 100mph and not just the 47/7s which were authorised for this speed.
Whether authorised or not, when the 47/7s migrated south to T&C services and then the 'Mule' as well as on Parcels trains and hired in for IC / XC services, many drivers took advantage of the sign in the cab which read 'Max Speed 100mph' despite it not being officially sanctioned on any other routes than those approved in Scotland.
Oh I'm well aware of that, but officially the ceiling was 95mph.
Even the 47/7s were not 100mph locos, as was explained to me, rather they were specially authorised to operate at 100mph on the Edinburgh-Glasgow line with special maintenance. If the maintenance lapsed, the officially reverted to 95mph again.
I don't believe the cab desk sign, nor data panels were altered, just a red plate denoting the modification was applied to the can doors.
Did see a photo of same somewhere.
The field diverts were also modified for 100mph running.
As it is, I don't see authority for 100mph being granted, if it was even something considered.
I would imagine if this was being prepared for railtour duty that there would need to be a dedicated catering vehicle, any plans for that? In service a Mk.2D Micro-buffet was used on Aberdeen services, but I would think a mk3 catering vehicle would be used for future excursion use
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but nice to see all these retro liveries on railtours now
