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Eight new cities to mark Platinum Jubilee

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St Davids is a bit smaller at a population of 1600 vs about 2500 in Stanley.

I doubt there'd be a world competition, because most of the world doesn't have city status - e.g. in German the word for city is just Grossstadt - "big town". Something St Davids definitely isn't!
Is it? I understand the term "city" to be roughly equivalent to German "Stadt". It's equally a title that some places get to have, while others don't. Many places try to get the title, one of the recent successful ones being Jüchen. The biggest place that isn't a Stadt is Seevetal near Hamburg, while the smallest "Stadt" is Arnis, which has 300 people in it. "Großstadt" is just any "Stadt" that has more than 100,000 inhabitants.
 
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Is it? I understand the term "city" to be roughly equivalent to German "Stadt". It's equally a title that some places get to have, while others don't. Many places try to get the title, one of the recent successful ones being Jüchen. The biggest place that isn't a Stadt is Seevetal near Hamburg, while the smallest "Stadt" is Arnis, which has 300 people in it. "Großstadt" is just any "Stadt" that has more than 100,000 inhabitants.

Grossstadt = city (sort of)
Stadt = town
Dorf = village

Or that is what I was taught. How many Staedte are there? What is a settlement if it isn't one?
 

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How about Elgin City and Brechin City? :s
While Elgin was a Royal Burgh and styled itself as a city, having a pre-Reformation cathedral, the 1975 Scottish local government reforms explicitly identified just six settlements as cities and so it lost any claim on city status at that point. Elgin City FC was founded in 1893, over 80 years earlier. As for Brechin City FC, the club was founded on City Road in the town, from which the name apparently derives, rather than from any inflated civic sense.

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the 1975 Scottish local government reforms explicitly identified just six settlements as cities
Not four? Given Perth lost its city status in 1975 and only regained it in 2012 and the only other recorded Scottish city, outside the Big 4, was Elgin in the early 1970s. (Leaving only Glasgow, Edinburgh, Dundee and Aberdeen as cities until Inverness was granted status in 2000, followed by Stirling in 2002.)
 

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Not four? Given Perth lost its city status in 1975 and only regained it in 2012 and the only other recorded Scottish city, outside the Big 4, was Elgin in the early 1970s. (Leaving only Glasgow, Edinburgh, Dundee and Aberdeen as cities until Inverness was granted status in 2000, followed by Stirling in 2002.)
You are indeed correct - my mistake. Four it was.

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I don't believe that being called a city confers anything additional on the place than it already had, it's simply some kind of "prestige" thing, maybe akin to the honours system for people for those who believe in it. But I'd be very interested to be contradicted with anything tangible that changes as a result of a town becoming a city.
I expect the main changes are that local politicians will receive even more taxpayers money in their pay packets.
 

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As per the title, 8 new cities have been announced including Stanley in The Falklands & Douglas in the Isle of Man.
Other towns listed in the BBC article are:
  • Milton Keynes
  • Dunfermline
  • Bangor
  • Wrexham
  • Colchester
  • Doncaster
(and living in a town that had bid for City Status in this latest round, I'm not bitter! :D )
I do wonder if Colchester will like no longer being Britain’s oldest recorded town.
 

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BTW - 3 grounds: Hockey Stadium, Estadio della Dongs and perhaps Newport Pagnell?

Wimbledon v Sunderland at the Hockey Stadium, Franchise FC v Rotherham at their new ground and Milton Keynes City vs Wokingham Town in 1979.

Out of interest, you have cast aspersions on Ellesmere Port from afar on previous occasions - how many times have you been to my current home?

Unlike MK, Ellesmere Port has no aspersions to be a city as it lacks character and the town centre is dead. Nor do we claim to be part of the City of Chester, even though we are ruled by the same council.

(Ellesmere Port is very similar in size to Dunfermline and Bangor, Co Down and a lot bigger than Douglas and Port Stanley)
 
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At least they didn’t let the bid by Newport (Isle of Wight) through. A city without a Post Office would be a joke, or maybe that is the future.
 

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I assume they submitted a bid just like everyone else.
Indeed they did, with letters of support from 17 Essex MPs. Through my work I sit on various Essex local government groups and, after Southend was granted city status following the death of David Amess MP, few of us locally felt Colchester stood much of a chance. However the bid was clearly a compelling one and we are all delighted for our colleagues in the north of the county whose hard work over the years has finally paid off.

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Judging by the sizes of the railway stations, Reading (as already mentioned) and Crewe are surprising omissions.

That said, Crewe has a very large station for a town of its size.
 

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Dunfermline ought to be.

What with the a King sitting there drinking the blood red wine !

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I lived in Reading for six months.

It was also pants. The only thing I liked about it was the station and they flattened that.

When did you last go to Reading?

Bournemouth is the other obvious choice.

Much more deserving than Doncaster and Colchester fgs
 

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I'd just like to say I'm delighted Stanley has received city status, mainly because it'll really irritate Buenos Aires and live rent free inside their heads.

 

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Marazion, official population 1,440, was on the original longlist. Ironic considering the St Aubyn family who were gifted St Michael's Mount in 1650 and still live there received it as reward for taking the Roundhead side in the Civil War against the Cavaliers (i.e. the Royalists!)
I'd just like to say I'm delighted Stanley has received city status, mainly because it'll really irritate Buenos Aires and live rent free inside their heads.

On the other hand, they might think of it as a last throw of the dice by a government which would do nothing to resist should Argentina send a platoon to plant their flag in Port Stanley and announce they were now in charge. Better to let sleeping dogs lie imo.
 

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On the other hand, they might think of it as a last throw of the dice by a government which would do nothing to resist should Argentina send a platoon to plant their flag in Port Stanley and announce they were now in charge. Better to let sleeping dogs lie imo.
There's next to zero chance that Argentina would attempt another invasion any time soon. For one thing there are (or at least were) around 1,000 Army personnel based there, plus a permanent RAF presence.
 

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And the idea that the UK would do nothing if it happened is also a massive assertion. Even in this era of national cringe and self-loathing, it'd still be political suicide.
 

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On the other hand, they might think of it as a last throw of the dice by a government which would do nothing to resist should Argentina send a platoon to plant their flag in Port Stanley and announce they were now in charge. Better to let sleeping dogs lie imo.

No. The Argentine military has less of the same equipment as they had in 1982. Meanwhile we now have a naval ship down there, the British Army has about 1200 people, an air defense detachment, an RAF Typhoon flight and logistics aircraft.
 

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And the idea that the UK would do nothing if it happened is also a massive assertion. Even in this era of national cringe and self-loathing, it'd still be political suicide.
There'd be posturing, nothing more. Maybe they'd send Sir Geoffrey Cox to bellow at them, if he was sufficiently remunerated. Actually, that might do the trick: a few hours of that would cause any sane person to seek escape.
 

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That's partisan bollocks.

The reality is the UK government would have no choice but to act. To do otherwise would be the end of the political careers of anyone present in the room when the decision was made, providing they didn't resign on the issue. It wouldn't matter which of the two main parties it was.
 

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There'd be posturing, nothing more. Maybe they'd send Sir Geoffrey Cox to bellow at them, if he was sufficiently remunerated. Actually, that might do the trick: a few hours of that would cause any sane person to seek escape.
That's assuming that the Argentinians were able to take the islands in the first place. There are enough troops on the island and air defence assets in place to make it difficult for them to do so - certainly more than the couple-dozen Marines based there in the 1980s. Not to mention that a Typhoon vs Skyhawk air battle isn't going to end well for the attacking force.
 

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There'd be posturing, nothing more. Maybe they'd send Sir Geoffrey Cox to bellow at them, if he was sufficiently remunerated. Actually, that might do the trick: a few hours of that would cause any sane person to seek escape.

There would never be a successful landing, at all.
 

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Wimbledon v Sunderland at the Hockey Stadium, Franchise FC v Rotherham at their new ground and Milton Keynes City vs Wokingham Town in 1979.

Out of interest, you have cast aspersions on Ellesmere Port from afar on previous occasions - how many times have you been to my current home?
MK City will have played at Manor Fields in Blethcley ( actually Fenny Stratford) in 1979 so I tip my hat.
BTW - Newport are a nice little club who have just won the Vase.
BTW 2 - my desk is about where the penalty area in the hockey stadium was

Ellesmere Port wise - I don't think I have ever mentioned it and I dont think I have ever visited. I have been to Port Sunlight if that is close by?
 
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It's me that "dissed" EP, and yes, I have been there. Once was sufficient.

I'd not sell Bletchley town centre either, to be fair, it's very similar to EP town centre if a little leafier. But I don't often go there, there's no reason to.
 
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