gka472l
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Nearly all built, if not already.....no idea where they're being kept though......
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Merseyrail Class 777 introduction updates
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Nearly all built, if not already.....no idea where they're being kept though......
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https://twitter.com/andybtravels/status/1427298208842199045 I saw this video a while ago. It says they were at Siedlce.
meld3
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Excellent find - cheers.
Lets hope the Scousers get them before the Russians !!
The last one of the initial tranche, 777053, was said to be in build last October. There is an option for a further 59 sets. The completed units remain Stadler property until Merseytravel accept them, one at a time, a process which for the sets awaiting delivery will include 500 miles of fault free running on the Merseyrail system. Most of the 14 units already in the UK have now met that requirement.
As to further delivery dates, a decision seems to have been made to suspend matters until at least some of the 14 are in traffic, enabling more 508s to be withdrawn, creating space at Kirkdale Depot. In the meantime, the other 39 are understood to be at the Stadler plants in Switzerland and Poland.
Nicholas Lewis
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Shame the Liverpool Echo doesn't use it to shame MerseyRail in coming clean about what is going on.
Council tax payers within Liverpool Combined Authority have to pay a levy to support MerseyTravel so you would think local politicians would be kicking up a fuss.
D821
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There's a meeting of the Liverpool City Region travel committee on the 10th, perhaps there will be an update after that.
Sounds like a normal day in Liverpool.....
Grumpy Git
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Do the Russians have any 3rd rail to run them on?
So they have all been in existence for some time now. Have any already been fitted with batteries or would it make more sense to fit them to the ones already here? There is an option to order up to another 59 sets at a fixed price. Of course more can be ordered after that, but they will cost more. The question then comes where they will find the depot space for those because even with all 507/508s gone they couldn’t stable an additional 59.
But what do you think is going on? 14 units (more than enough) are undergoing fault free mileage accumulation on the network, which has now become obvious to anyone with eyes and now once agreements have been made with the unions about a method of operation for them, a big enough pool of drivers and guards can be trained to reliably operate services to Kirkby with 7 units operating 3 diagrams and some of the spares allowing for further training. Only then can more 508s be scrapped to allow deliveries to resume.
In the meantime, council tax and fair payers (and users of over 60s and disability concessionary passed) have a reliable train service to use and this reliability can’t be compromised at any point to rush the 777s into service. There isn’t scope to scrap any 508s (which will go first) while they are still required to provide the service. Of course they can’t run forever but wouldn’t they be kicking up more of a fuss if they had to cancel trains or go back to a 30 minute service due to a shortage of trains? Of course covid hasn’t helped in all this.
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They don’t pay for them until they’ve completed their mileage accumulation runs and are formally accepted. The trains sitting idle in Europe aren’t costing Merseytravel anything.
Updated list of current locations in the light of this mornings transfer of 777001 and 010 to Crewe from Kirkdale. Loco's on 5Q20 were 20205 / 20189 and 20007 / 20142.
Kirkdale = 002, 003, 005, 007, 009 and 018.
Crewe C.S. = 001, 004, 006, 008, 010, 012, 014 and 016.
Cheers to David H and TimboM.
Kirkdale = 002, 003, 005, 007, 009 and 018.
Crewe C.S. = 001, 004, 006, 008, 010, 012, 014 and 016.
Cheers to David H and TimboM.
Nicholas Lewis
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LCA quarterly financial reports indicate they have been making stage payments - remember they are funding the build themselves not through a leasing company. The contract payment terms aren't in public domain but stage payments with 20-30% on acceptance would be pretty standard commercial arrangement so I would suggest that LCA have incurred some hefty sums already on behalf of local taxpayers without anything to show for it. Reality is bigger things drive politics in the LCA area rather than a few hundred million on trains that aren't being used.
It’s not just trains they’ve bought. The depot rebuild, 508/507 maintenance and its staff are all done and need paying for.
Nicholas Lewis
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They have but rolling stock is over half this years budget and this is the third year they've been making payments for new rolling stock. Actually the real villains are NR who have massively overspent on the power and station upgrade.
D821
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Doesn't look like there's anything about the 777s down to be discussed:
Nicholas Lewis
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Some snippets in the financial report like they've saved 0.4m on marketing costs due to ongoing delays with new trains introduction. They also say
So they have spent several 100m on the 777's already and half of them are sitting in Europe still.
I think the total cost is around £460 million give or take and that are two thirds of the fleet in Poland and Switzerland. Personally, I am not unduly worried, once the 'agreement' is in place, then things will start moving, ok may be two years later than planned but Merseytravel will get there eventually.
Basher
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Anyone know when the 777 will commence normal service please?
Harryn9000
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once guards dispute is sorted and trained enough staff neither has happened yet
gka472l
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Seems 3 sets may be heading towards the UK at the moment from a posting on Facebook a couple of days back, 777013, 777015 and a bit of a jump to set 777049. Link here to those on FB https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=3303039383305483&set=gm.3156514211270357
HTH
HTH
DJH1971
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I was speaking to a guard on a Chester to Liverpool service on Saturday who told me September has been mooted for service introduction.
049 should be one of the seven sets fitted with a larger version of the batteries that were test fitted to 002 last summer. It’s arrival now would allow testing to determine just how far a set can travel on battery power alone.
I have heard a bit of a mixture of stories that they both definitely will and definitely won’t enter service in either September, November or this year on the Ormskirk and/or Kirkby lines.
Where will it be able to do a long enough test run to completely drain the battery and still be on the third rail for when it does?
Here's a prediction: Merseyrail goes bankrupt and the Government steps in as an operator of last resort and the new trains finally come in.
As for battery tests, I'd assume they can lift their shoes, like 73s. Do that on the third rail network and you shouldn't have to worry about anything.
py_megapixel
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DfT won't do that, it would be Merseytravel's responsibility to find another operator.
Gareth
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Lol, no.
Bletchleyite
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Chester to Chester via the loop is the longest possible journey without reversing, but I can't see why reversing would be an issue.
More likely MerseyTravel (the Combined Authority) would step in so that they can operate it directly and thus make Mr Burnham even more envious.
Bletchleyite
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Nothing stopping Burnham taking Metrolink in house if he wanted. That's the equivalent.
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