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I'm also sick of people defending it, the whole thing is extremely hurtful to those who have lost people through Covid and complied with restrictions at the time because they thought it was the right thing to do.

Quite, Boris Johnson is not some naive individual who has slipped up and made a silly mistake. He is a very powerful, clever and manipulative individual who is master of making up personas to make himself popular with whatever target group he wishes to appeal to. Surely everyone sees through his carefully-manufactured fake clumsiness.

He also comes from a very well-off and well-connected family and will never have to worry about work or money again. I won't mention the B word but again, essentially he's put the country into a difficult situation to bolster his own ego.

Time people stopped feeling sorry for this individual. He's not worth a gram of sympathy.
 
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Why then do so many people try to give the impression that it was Johnson who sent out the invitations, when it was known that it was a civil servant who issued the invitation... :rolleyes:
It doesn't really matter that much who sent the invitation out. Once Johnson had turned up and stood around talking/drinking at what was clearly a party he is complicit. As the overall "boss" in no 10, his only get out would be that he went outside, saw what was happening, ordered the party to finish there and then everyone to go home. As that isn't what is being claimed, he's guilty.

Quite why you keep being so obtuse about this, I don't know. You're either defending the indefensible or are staggeringly naïve as to what happened. To remind you: Johnson is a pathological liar.
 

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Tough times call for tough measures. Short sharp shock.
I simply turned off if they came on. I will never forgive them for it.

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Quite, Boris Johnson is not some naive individual who has slipped up and made a silly mistake. He is a very powerful, clever and manipulative individual who is master of making up personas to make himself popular with whatever target group he wishes to appeal to. Surely everyone sees through his carefully-manufactured fake clumsiness.

He also comes from a very well-off and well-connected family and will never have to worry about work or money again. I won't mention the B word but again, essentially he's put the country into a difficult situation to bolster his own ego.

Time people stopped feeling sorry for this individual. He's not worth a gram of sympathy.
I have zero sympathy for him.
 

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You're either defending the indefensible or are staggeringly naïve as to what happened. To remind you: Johnson is a pathological liar.
You may very well believe that, I could not possibly make comment upon something so very dear to you that so deem as "indefensible" and I respect your viewpoint as being something sincerely held by you.

People who have known me for more than ten years membership of this particular website and acquaintances in the business world at senior management level for thirty five of my seventy six years would never class me as "naive."... :rolleyes:
 
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You may very well believe that, I could not possibly make comment upon something so very dear to you that so deem as "indefensible" and I respect your viewpoint as being something sincerely held by you.

People who have known me for more than ten years membership of this particular website and acquaintances in the business world at senior management level for thirty five of my seventy six years would never class me as "naive."... :rolleyes:
So do you believe what Johnson is telling us?
 

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Johnson's finished/dead:


EXCLUSIVE Number 10 held two boozy parties the night before the Queen mourned Prince Philip alone. Staff drank and at points danced until the early hours of the night of April 16. Hours later, the Queen went to a socially-distanced funeral for Philip.



I can't copy article text due to a paywall, but The Telegraph have exposed Downing Street drinking partying/socialising on the night before the Queen attended Prince Philip's funeral and sat alone.
 
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This is the article quoted above.....


Downing Street staff drank alcohol into the early hours at two leaving events the night before Prince Philip’s socially-distanced funeral, The Telegraph can reveal.
On the evening of Friday Apr 16 2021, Britain was in a period of public mourning. Union flags on Government buildings across Westminster hung at half mast to mark the passing of Prince Philip, Queen Elizabeth II's husband, the previous week.
With the country in step two of a strict lockdown roadmap, which barred indoor mixing, mourners were told not to leave flowers due to the Covid threat. A book of condolence was set up online to “reduce the risk of transmission” from physical signings.
In a private chapel in Windsor Castle the Prince’s coffin lay overnight. The next day the Queen, her face covered by a black mask, would say farewell to her husband of 73 years. With social distancing rules in force, she sat alone.

Members of the Royal family were obliged to remain socially distanced during the funeral CREDIT: Jonathan Brady/PA
The atmosphere in Downing Street that Friday evening, however, was quite different. Advisers and civil servants gathered after work for two separate events to mark the departure of two colleagues.
One was James Slack, Mr Johnson’s director of communications. He had served two Tory prime ministers, a rare carry-over from the Theresa May days, but was leaving after four years to become deputy editor at The Sun newspaper. The other was one of Mr Johnson’s personal photographers.

'Undeniably parties'​

Eye-witnesses have talked to The Telegraph about what happened. It is alleged that excessive booze was drunk, while at points, guests danced along to music. The gatherings stretched late into the night - well beyond midnight, according to one source.
They were, according to one who was there, undeniably parties.
The revelation of the boozy gatherings at the heart of the Government the night before the Duke's funeral is problematic, not just because of the context of public grief, but because of the clearly-defined Covid restrictions then in place.
The Government’s own guidance read: “You must not socialise indoors except with your household or support bubble. You can meet outdoors, including in gardens, in groups of six people or two households.”

Sue Gray, the second permanent secretary at the Cabinet Office, is leading the probe into all the allegations of Covid rule-breaking parties in Downing Street CREDIT: GOV.UK/PA
Any defence will likely rely on the argument that the gatherings were for work rather than socialising - a claim that is now being scrutinised by Sue Gray, the civil servant looking into an ever-expanding list of lockdown-breaking party claims.
Boris Johnson was not in Downing Street that day, according to a No 10 spokesman. He had departed for Chequers, the Prime Minister’s country house, on Thursday evening and stayed there through to Saturday.
According to those in Downing Street that evening, the two gatherings were firstly held in different parts of the complex, before joining together as the night wore on. Around 30 people attended both gatherings combined, according to one present.
Mr Slack finished work for the last time in Downing Street, stood and thanked a group of press advisers and aides in a farewell speech. Some had worked with him for years through a tumultuous period in Downing Street - not least on trying to deliver Brexit. Some colleagues joined the celebration via video links.

One of the leaving events was held for James Slack, Boris Johnson’s former director of communications who had also served under Theresa May CREDIT: George Cracknell Wright/LNP
Alcohol was opened up - as it often was on Friday evenings in No 10 over the preceding year, according to multiple Government sources - and eventually the group migrated out to the Downing Street garden.
The second gathering for the departing photographer - attended mainly by younger members of staff - spent much of the evening in the No 10 basement. The room beneath the main suite of offices on the ground floor had limited ventilation - the type of environment scientists say increases the risk of spreading coronavirus.
Someone was sent to the Co-op on the Strand, a busy street nearby, with a suitcase which was then filled with bottles of wine and brought back to Downing Street, according to one person at the gathering that night.
In the basement, there is said to have been a party atmosphere. A laptop had been placed on a photocopier and music was blaring out.
Shelley Williams-Walker, Mr Johnson's head of operations, was in charge of the music at points, according to one eye-witness.

The claim was on Thursday put to Downing Street, where Ms Williams-Walker still works. No denial has been issued.
She was jokingly nicknamed “DJ SWW”, a reference to her initials, according to one present that night.
As the evening wore on, the alcohol still flowing, those celebrating the photographer’s departure headed to the Downing Street garden.

'Too much wine spilling on No 10's basement carpet'​

One present said there was a fear that too much wine was spilling on the basement carpet as they danced. They are said to have relocated at around midnight.
In the garden, the two groups marking the departure of Mr Slack and the photographer are said to have merged.
The drinking and chatting allegedly carried on into the early hours of the morning. One Downing Street figure had a go on a child's swing belonging to Wilf Johnson, the Prime Minister's son, according to one eyewitness, and broke it.
The gathering is the first allegation of lockdown-breaking in Downing Street in 2021 to have emerged, marking a new front in the row engulfing the Prime Minister. Previous party allegations date from 2020.

In 2021, the country faced some form of restrictions for seven months, starting with a full lockdown in January and ending with a lifting of almost all Covid rules in July.
On Apr 16, England was in the second step of Mr Johnson’s four-stage “road map” out of full lockdown. Mixing indoors was barred except for within one household. Outdoors people could only meet in groups of six, or two households.
In a sign that some in the Downing Street building understood the importance of sticking to the rules, one senior figure there at the time told The Telegraph they had cautioned against holding a leaving do for Mr Slack. The advice ultimately was not taken.
A No 10 spokesperson said of Mr Slack’s farewell event: “On this individual’s last day he gave a farewell speech to thank each team for the work they had done to support him, both those who had to be in the office for work and on a screen for those working from home.”
The spokesperson declined to comment on the photographer’s leaving do.

Members of the Royal family walk in procession behind the Land Rover carrying Prince Philip's coffin to St George's Chapel CREDIT: Leon Neal/PA
Hours after the drinking ended in No 10, Her Majesty and members of the Royal Family gathered in St George’s Chapel for the Duke’s funeral.
Only 30 mourners were allowed to attend because of Covid restrictions. The Prime Minister decided not to attend so that more family members could do so.
A photograph of Mr Johnson dressed in black outside of Chequers, arms by his side during a minute’s silence, was posted on his official Twitter account.
As the Duke’s coffin lowered into the vault at St George's chapel, those present bowed their heads. They were spread out across the pews, two metres apart.
Mr Slack declined to comment. Ms Williams-Walker and the photographer were approached via Number 10 but did not comment.
 

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"Boris, it's the Queen, we need to have words!"

Boris really dosn't give a F and it's time he was removed, I personally don't want him to resign as then it would be his choice, I want the humiliation of that being taken away from him.
 

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This bombshell has also explained entirely why The Sun were reluctant to report on the party revelations: one of these parties was to celebrate James Slack leaving No.10's team to go work for the paper. One wonders if he'll have to resign from DPE there now.
 

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Quite, Boris Johnson is not some naive individual who has slipped up and made a silly mistake. He is a very powerful, clever and manipulative individual who is master of making up personas to make himself popular with whatever target group he wishes to appeal to. Surely everyone sees through his carefully-manufactured fake clumsiness.

He also comes from a very well-off and well-connected family and will never have to worry about work or money again. I won't mention the B word but again, essentially he's put the country into a difficult situation to bolster his own ego.

Time people stopped feeling sorry for this individual. He's not worth a gram of sympathy.
Unfortunately most people will have forgotten about this in two years time. He's only toast now if the Tory party want rid of him and i just can't see that spineless lot doing the right thing.
 

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"Boris, it's the Queen, we need to have words!"

Boris really dosn't give a F and it's time he was removed, I personally don't want him to resign as then it would be his choice, I want the humiliation of that being taken away from him.
We have to hope Sir Graham Brady's desk looks like this:

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Johnson's finished/dead:






I can't copy article text due to a paywall, but The Telegraph have exposed Downing Street drinking partying/socialising on the night before the Queen attended Prince Philip's funeral and sat alone.
Unfortunately, I think BJ would weasel his way out of these by pointing out he was at Chequers.
 

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It has not yet happened and I don’t think this will cause it, but when it comes it will be due to the explosion of an over-inflated ego.
 

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Unfortunately most people will have forgotten about this in two years time. He's only toast now if the Tory party want rid of him and i just can't see that spineless lot doing the right thing.
I will not have forgotten about this in 2 years time.

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"Boris, it's the Queen, we need to have words!"

Boris really dosn't give a F and it's time he was removed, I personally don't want him to resign as then it would be his choice, I want the humiliation of that being taken away from him.
Agreed.
 

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Civil servants partying away in Dowing Street whilst the country was in National Mourning is frankly sickening. It’s not just Boris that needs out, it looks like it’s a number of civil servants too.
 

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Well it never shocked me and i took no notice of it.
Good for you. It’s a well-known technique used across all walks of life with effect.
 

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If that be the case, some rhetoric in the style of the Bard is called for ......

"Friends, RailUK members and Moderators, lend me your ears,
I come to bury Johnson, not to praise him.
The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their bones,
So let it be with Johnson. The noble @brad465
Hath told you Johnson was ambitious.
If it were so, it was a grievous fault
And grievously hath Johnson answered it
Here, under leave of @brad465 and the rest-
For @brad465 is an honourable man:
So are they all, all honourable men-
Come I to speak in Johnson's funeral.
He was a Prime Minister, faithful and just to Old Etonians,
But @Brad 465 says he was ambitious
And @brad465 is an honourable man.
He hath brought many Conservative MP's back to Westminster,
Whose victories over the Corbynites did the Government benches fill:
Did this in Johnson seem ambitious?
When that the opposition have cried, Johnson hath wept:
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff:
But @brad465 says he was ambitious;
And @@brad465 is an honourable man.
I speak not to disprove what @brad465 spoke,
But here I am to speak what I do know.
You all did laud him once, not without cause:
What cause withholds you then, to mourn for him?
O judgement! thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason, Bear with me;
My heart is in the coffin there with Johnson,
And I must pause till it comes back to me"
 
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I hope not but unfortunately many will have forgotten and there will be more issues that will be drive peoples voting intentions then.
I agree there will be a lot of other issues, I'm sure we will be feeling the effects of the collateral damage of the last 2 years for many years to come
 

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Unfortunately most people will have forgotten about this in two years time. He's only toast now if the Tory party want rid of him and i just can't see that spineless lot doing the right thing.

I must say I tend to agree that he will likely manage to hang on for a while yet. But by the same token I simply can’t see him being allowed to lead into the next election. I think the rot has set in.

Bear in mind there’s going to be other things to come. It’s this year that we will really feel some of the wider consequences of all this. We already have high inflation, and I can’t see that going anywhere soon - as we seem to have hit massive cost-push inflation, whilst at the same time we had quantitative easing which also pushes prices up.

Another thing to remember is Uxbridge. He is rather vulnerable there, and this is an issue which the party will also need to consider. By-elections are by-elections, but those swings before Christmas must be concerning.
 
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Yes. Police Officers based at Downing Street will have known what was going on, and failed to enforce the law. Yet their colleagues elsewhere were happily handing out fines to people for sitting on park benches. This highlights the hypocrisy of the Met and is made worse by their claims that they do not investigate crimes that happened in the past. They also claimed there was no evidence of wrong doing - given we now have photographs and emails and an admission from the Prime Minister that there was a party, they clearly did not look very hard.

If there is to be a police investigation, it ought to be by another force, not the Met.



Without the media, there would not be an enquiry. The PM would still be denying there were any parties, and assuring us that all rules were followed. Perhaps if he had admitted and apologised for these serious errors of judgement when the stories first started to surface, it would have all blown over by now. He has made it worse with his constant lies.
I'm the last person to defend Johnson or, in general, the Metropolitan Police, who were in a bad way when I left London in 1988 and are in an appalling state now, led by the utterly useless and pathetic Cressida Dick, but I don't believe it's the job of the police officers detailed to Downing Street to get involved with anything beyond their remit, which is basically a protection job. The Dixon of Dock Green image is as fake as so much else, and is basically for the tourists, even though they can't get anywhere near the place these days. It'd be a bit 'please miss, Charlie pulled my hair' for the cops to go plodding into the no. 10 garden trying to break up the party, and might well end up with bodies if the P.M.'s bodyguards decided it was actually a cleverly disguised terrorist plot.
 

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1) ...Now the RailUK investigative journalists have now revealed all the Johnson iniquities and the matter is possible to be brought before the Supreme Court for consideration, what are the actual charges brought under the laws currently in the relevant part of the UK statute book that can be laid?

2) ...When did hypocrisy become an offence under the Law and what is the maximum sentence for that crime that can be passed by a member of the judiciary if a guilty verdict is forthcoming?

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Civil servants partying away in Dowing Street whilst the country was in National Mourning is frankly sickening. It’s not just Boris that needs out, it looks like it’s a number of civil servants too.
You make a very valid point here. All the accusations made against Johnson upon this thread should also be made against all attendees at the referred-to gatherings and since Johnson has been publicly named, all those attendees should also be publicly named prior to any court appearance. His wife who was said to have attended the May 2020 event should be included amongst those.

Let us not stop there, but investigations should also be put into motion against any members of the public who held similar events in their owned properties and the same castigations that have been levelled at Johnson in terms of involvement in such events when the matter of people dying in care homes, etc, should be made public.
 
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