A quick poll about taking the vaccine.

[Gadget88]

I got a letter today to get it in two weeks. I am not too keen as mentioned before two doses when a single dose one is coming. I understand x number need to get the vaccine in the population and I do support that but for myself I am really not very keen to have this vaccine I dislike the needles don’t fancy a reaction either or the so called sore arms and flu like symptoms. I don’t have any under lying health issues but he’s catching COVID wouldn't be fun either. Seems most people are happy to get jabbed but for myself it causes as much anxiety as the the fear of the virus.

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Highly unlikely for a younger person. Statistically flu is much worse. Sounds like your individual case was unfortunate but it's not like that for many people. I know a number of people who've had the virus but yet to come across anyone where it's had a lasting effect.

My worry is if I refuse it and go to a gig maybe take a test and sit next to people at a gig maybe majority vaccinated am I going to catch this virus sitting in a crowd that’s my question? How big a risk?

 

[yorkie]

I got a letter today to get it in two weeks. I am not too keen as mentioned before two doses when a single dose one is coming. I understand x number need to get the vaccine in the population and I do support that but for myself I am really not very keen to have this vaccine I dislike the needles don’t fancy a reaction either or the so called sore arms and flu like symptoms. I don’t have any under lying health issues but he’s catching COVID wouldn't be fun either. Seems most people are happy to get jabbed but for myself it causes as much anxiety as the the fear of the virus.

You have the right to reject the vaccine.

But don't be surprised if this means you cannot travel to some countries

Other countries may still allow travel subject to a negative test.

And likewise the UK may only allow you back with a negative test. And possibly quarantine

No-one can say right now what the policies of any particular country are likely to be in the medium or longer term.

I believe you have indicated you are keen to travel abroad; if this is the case it would be prudent to take up the offer of a vaccine at the earliest opportunity.

My worry is if I refuse it and go to a gig maybe take a test and sit next to people at a gig maybe majority vaccinated am I going to catch this virus sitting in a crowd that’s my question? How big a risk?

The vaccines have an efficacy of up to around 95 per cent (depending on what you are measuring).

Many experts believe the virus is likely to become one of the endemic seasonal Coronaviruses; if this occurs it would be likely that you would be exposed to the virus at some point.

I don't think anyone can be any more specific than this.

 

[Gadget88]

You have the right to reject the vaccine.

But don't be surprised if this means you cannot travel to some countries

Other countries may still allow travel subject to a negative test.

And likewise the UK may only allow you back with a negative test. And possibly quarantine

No-one can say right now what the policies of any particular country are likely to be in the medium or longer term.

I believe you have indicated you are keen to travel abroad; if this is the case it would be prudent to take up the offer of a vaccine at the earliest opportunity.


The vaccines have an efficacy of up to around 95 per cent (depending on what you are measuring).

Many experts believe the virus is likely to become one of the endemic seasonal Coronaviruses; if this occurs it would be likely that you would be exposed to the virus at some point.

I don't think anyone can be any more specific than this.

Yes that’s my worry. I understand some negative will allow a negative test that’s fine but may get expensive. And yes getting exposed go the virus not ideal. I thought with cases going to be much lower surely the chances become smaller than 2020/2021 present times?

 

[Cdd89]

Another point to make is about your concern about side effects. It’s not clear, but there are some indications that if you were to get bad side effects, that may indicate an underlying susceptibility to Covid.

That said, if having weighed up all the above and decided you don’t want it, there’s nothing stopping you from changing your mind later. It won’t become harder to obtain a vaccine later just because you didn’t take up the option now (though you might regret the delay to your second dose if you wait until something comes up that makes you need it; getting it now would start the clock now).

 

[Gadget88]

Another point to make is about your concern about side effects. It’s not clear, but there are some indications that if you were to get bad side effects, that may indicate an underlying susceptibility to Covid.

That said, if having weighed up all the above and decided you don’t want it, there’s nothing stopping you from changing your mind later. It won’t become harder to obtain a vaccine later just because you didn’t take up the option now (though you might regret the delay to your second dose if you wait until something comes up that makes you need it; getting it now would start the clock now).

Do you get an appointment quick if you want to change your mind?

I admit I am concerned in Denmark the Oxford vaccine suspended due to blood clots. Seemingly it happens upto 10 days after so my worry would be days days after having the vaccine. Nobody can be sure how I could be affected. COVID is the exact same issue.

Cases will be lower than 2020 which concerns me why people think all unvaccinated people will be exposed to this virus I want to know how they can be sure when they don’t fully know how the virus behaves. Surely there will be less covid around to catch than last year?

 

[Ediswan]

I admit I am concerned in Denmark the Oxford vaccine suspended due to blood clots. Seemingly it happens upto 10 days after so my worry would be days days after having the vaccine. Nobody can be sure how I could be affected. COVID is the exact same issue.

It looks like that word 'after' may be working hard again. The European Medicines Agency are quoted as saying:

‘The information available so far indicates that the number of thromboembolic events in vaccinated people is no higher than that seen in the general population,’

If you give millions of people a vaccine, you are guaranteed to have some fall ill or die shortly after.

 

[Mag_seven]

It looks like that word 'after' may be working hard again. The European Medicines Agency are quoted as saying:

If you give millions of people a vaccine, you are guaranteed to have some fall ill or die shortly after.

Indeed - the latin phrase "Post hoc ergo propter hoc" springs to mind!

( "after this, therefore because of this" )

 

[Bantamzen]

Do you get an appointment quick if you want to change your mind?

I admit I am concerned in Denmark the Oxford vaccine suspended due to blood clots. Seemingly it happens upto 10 days after so my worry would be days days after having the vaccine. Nobody can be sure how I could be affected. COVID is the exact same issue.

Cases will be lower than 2020 which concerns me why people think all unvaccinated people will be exposed to this virus I want to know how they can be sure when they don’t fully know how the virus behaves. Surely there will be less covid around to catch than last year?

Do you have any links to Denmark suspension? We've given the vaccine to literally millions here, but there's been no word on clots?

 

[Ediswan]

Do you have any links to Denmark suspension? We've given the vaccine to literally millions here, but there's been no word on clots?

https://metro.co.uk/2021/03/11/denm...ine-as-patient-dies-with-blood-clot-14224751/

 

[tommy2215]

https://metro.co.uk/2021/03/11/denm...ine-as-patient-dies-with-blood-clot-14224751/

According to the article its just a single person who died of ‘severe blood coagulation problems', so extremely unlikely that the death is because of the vaccine. It would've happened whether she had taken the vaccine or not. Never have I seen anyone report blood clotting as a side effect from taking the Astrazeneca vaccine.

 

[yorksrob]

It could have been due to covid itself - that seems to be one of the potential symptoms of it.

 

[Bantamzen]

https://metro.co.uk/2021/03/11/denm...ine-as-patient-dies-with-blood-clot-14224751/

Hmm, that's pretty thin to say the least. At the end of the day there is always going to be some small risk with any medical interventions, but given the numbers of the doses administered versus the possible adverse side effects I think this is an over reaction to say the least.

 

[AlterEgo]

Do you get an appointment quick if you want to change your mind?

I admit I am concerned in Denmark the Oxford vaccine suspended due to blood clots. Seemingly it happens upto 10 days after so my worry would be days days after having the vaccine. Nobody can be sure how I could be affected. COVID is the exact same issue.

Cases will be lower than 2020 which concerns me why people think all unvaccinated people will be exposed to this virus I want to know how they can be sure when they don’t fully know how the virus behaves. Surely there will be less covid around to catch than last year?

There will be less COVID around because the vast majority of people are choosing to get vaccinated.

 

[LAX54]

I got a letter today to get it in two weeks. I am not too keen as mentioned before two doses when a single dose one is coming. I understand x number need to get the vaccine in the population and I do support that but for myself I am really not very keen to have this vaccine I dislike the needles don’t fancy a reaction either or the so called sore arms and flu like symptoms. I don’t have any under lying health issues but he’s catching COVID wouldn't be fun either. Seems most people are happy to get jabbed but for myself it causes as much anxiety as the the fear of the virus.

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My worry is if I refuse it and go to a gig maybe take a test and sit next to people at a gig maybe majority vaccinated am I going to catch this virus sitting in a crowd that’s my question? How big a risk?

I do NOT like needles, however I was very surprised with the jab, I was waiting to feel the needle, but felt cotton wool on my arm, the RAF medic said 'all done', honestly did not feel a thing, I was quite surprised it was very, very efficient

 

[Wuffle]

Quite happy to have the AZ vaccine but would refuse the Pfizer mRNA jab. I checked with 119 when booking and they were unable to tell me which one I would be offered at appointment time. They said it would be OK to cancel and rebook.
I would probably ring my surgery as they gave my mother in law the AZ vaccine - she had some flu like symptoms for a few days but is ok now

 

[317 forever]

I've just booked mine - there was nothing available in my home town at all. I will have to travel to get it but I don't mind doing that because it gets it done!

I travelled to have my vaccine yesterday. As a treat, I largely suspended awareness of the lockdown for the day. I went to a better Sainsbury's a bus ride away, had takeaway coffee after my jab, and had a rare meal from a takeaway that meant bus journeys there too.

 

[WelshBluebird]

Quite happy to have the AZ vaccine but would refuse the Pfizer mRNA jab

Why?
Incase you are worried about the technique being new / rushed - it isn't new and hasn't been rushed. It dates back to the early 90's so almost three decades now, and using it as part of a vaccine dates back to research that is almost two decades old now. Given the years and years of research and development, we would have seen mRNA based vaccines soon enough anyway, it is just that COVID has come along and now is a good as time as any to use the technique.

 

[Wuffle]

Why?
Incase you are worried about the technique being new / rushed - it isn't new and hasn't been rushed. It dates back to the early 90's so almost three decades now, and using it as part of a vaccine dates back to research that is almost two decades old now. Given the years and years of research and development, we would have seen mRNA based vaccines soon enough anyway, it is just that COVID has come along and now is a good as time as any to use the technique.

Concerns have been raised by Scientists like Dr Dolores Cahill, Dr Mike Yeadon and others that the mRNA jab can lead to lead to an exaggerated immune reaction, especially when the test person is confronted with the real, “wild” virus after vaccination. This so-called antibody-dependent amplification, ADE, has long been known from experiments with corona vaccines in cats, for example. In the course of these studies all cats that initially tolerated the vaccination well died after catching the wild virus.

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Claims that have been largely ignored and why not as many advisers to the government have close links to companies that manufacture vaccines

This link to the Conservative Woman Blog investigates the connections between SAGE members and Pharmaceutical companies

Sage’s covert coup | The Conservative Woman

www.conservativewoman.co.uk

 

[Bantamzen]

Doctors Including Former Pfizer Respiratory VP & Chief Scientific Advisor File Petition – Covid Vaccine Could Be Linked to Infertility - NewsRescue.com

Antibodies created from vaccine may target protein responsible for successful pregnancy, petition claims The doctors specifically highlight several vaccine candidates that help the patient create antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. The issue is, the protein responsible for the...

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Claims that have been largely ignored and why not as many advisers to the government have close links to companies that manufacture vaccines

This link to the Conservative Woman Blog investigates the connections between SAGE members and Pharmaceutical companies

Sage’s covert coup | The Conservative Woman

www.conservativewoman.co.uk

Perhaps it is time for government advisory groups to declare any vested interests? It would at least give clarity to their motives, scientific or financial.

 

[Ediswan]

Claims that have been largely ignored and why not as many advisers to the government have close links to companies that manufacture vaccines

This is not unique to vaccines. The government need subject area experts. They don't train their own. Where else are these experts going to be found ? They should of course declare any commercial interests.

 

[Cdd89]

If people want one jab over another for some reason then that should be accommodated - better than not being vaccinated! Apparently quite a lot of people are refusing the Pfizer vaccine due to Pfizer doing naughty things in Nigeria.

 

[Gadget88]

I seen a comment about 43% won’t take the vaccine in nhs leaked memo was a comment online no idea if it’s true? What do you think the numbers will be who refuse?

No link source Daily mail comments

 

[Cowley]

I seen a comment about 43% won’t take the vaccine in nhs leaked memo was a comment online no idea if it’s true? What do you think the numbers will be who refuse?

I wouldn’t have thought that it’d be anywhere near 43%. Nearly everyone I’ve spoken to has said they’re happy to take it including a few people that said no way a few months ago.
I could see the vaccine take up declining as the cases in the country decline possibly though.

 

[Ediswan]

I seen a comment about 43% won’t take the vaccine in nhs leaked memo was a comment online no idea if it’s true? What do you think the numbers will be who refuse?

According to this, of all adults, less than 20%. Over 50, less than 10%. Chances are those figures are still dropping.
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-02-24-major-rise-public-support-covid-vaccine-oxford-study

More than three quarters of people in the UK now say they are ’very likely’ to have the vaccine – up from 50% among the same group of survey respondents five months ago –according to a two-wave Oxford University survey published today.

 

[nlogax]

I seen a comment about 43% won’t take the vaccine in nhs leaked memo was a comment online no idea if it’s true? What do you think the numbers will be who refuse?

That was a vague worst-case estimate quoted by the NHS which was based upon an older piece of Kantar market research from October 2020. In reality the vaccine uptake numbers have been extremely high, reducing slightly as we drop through the age groups.

 

[Bantamzen]

This is not unique to vaccines. The government need subject area experts. They don't train their own. Where else are these experts going to be found ? They should of course declare any commercial interests.

What is unique is the pressure being applied to have everyone take the vaccine. Its not mandatory by law if course, but the government and their advisors are pushing the message that people should have them to boost share prices save lives.

 

[Ediswan]

What is unique is the pressure being applied to have everyone take the vaccine. Its not mandatory by law if course, but the government and their advisors are pushing the message that people should have them to boost share prices save lives.

I was not commenting on the pressure applied to take the vaccine, just where the experts come from.

 

[yorkie]

I admit I am concerned in Denmark the Oxford vaccine suspended due to blood clots.

Why? There are no more people getting blood clots with the vaccine than people getting blood clots without the vaccine.

Cases will be lower than 2020 which concerns me why people think all unvaccinated people will be exposed to this virus I want to know how they can be sure when they don’t fully know how the virus behaves. Surely there will be less covid around to catch than last year?

I don't recognise the claim you make that "all unvaccinated people will be exposed to this virus" but most experts believe Sars-CoV-2 will become another endemic seasonal coronavirus and is unlikely to be eliminated; if the experts are correct it is likely that sooner or later you would be exposed to it. But this is not guaranteed to happen.

The coronavirus is here to stay — here’s what that means

A Nature survey shows many scientists expect the virus that causes COVID-19 to become endemic, but it could pose less danger over time.

www.nature.com

In January, Nature asked more than 100 immunologists, infectious-disease researchers and virologists working on the coronavirus whether it could be eradicated. Almost 90% of respondents think that the coronavirus will become endemic — meaning that it will continue to circulate in pockets of the global population for years to come (see 'Endemic future').

Influenza and the four human coronaviruses that cause common colds are also endemic: but a combination of annual vaccines and acquired immunity means that societies tolerate the seasonal deaths and illnesses they bring without requiring lockdowns, masks and social distancing.

This is one scenario that scientists foresee for SARS-CoV-2. The virus sticks around, but once people develop some immunity to it — either through natural infection or vaccination — they won’t come down with severe symptoms

Scientists consider this possible because that’s how the four endemic coronaviruses, called OC43, 229E, NL63 and HKU1, behave

What puzzles me @Gadget88 is that you refer to dubious claims (often without proper reference) for which there is little or no evidence, but if you are doing research, it's not difficult to find the more accurate information, much of which is also available on this forum (this must be at least the third time I've linked to the above article).

 

[Gadget88]

Why? There are no more people getting blood clots with the vaccine than people getting blood clots without the vaccine.

I don't recognise the claim you make that "all unvaccinated people will be exposed to this virus" but most experts believe Sars-CoV-2 will become another endemic seasonal coronavirus and is unlikely to be eliminated; if the experts are correct it is likely that sooner or later you would be exposed to it. But this is not guaranteed to happen.

The coronavirus is here to stay — here’s what that means

A Nature survey shows many scientists expect the virus that causes COVID-19 to become endemic, but it could pose less danger over time.

www.nature.com

What puzzles me @Gadget88 is that you refer to dubious claims (often without proper reference) for which there is little or no evidence, but if you are doing research, it's not difficult to find the more accurate information, much of which is also available on this forum (this must be at least the third time I've linked to the above article).

Thanks for the link.

In the article it says

If vaccines do block transmission — and if they remain effective against newer variants of the virus — it might be possible to eliminate the virus in regions where enough people are vaccinated so that they can protect those who are not, contributing to herd immunity. A vaccine that is 90% effective at blocking transmission will need to reach at least 55% of the population to achieve temporary herd immunity as long as some social distancing measures — such as face masks and many people working from home — remain in place to keep transmission in check, according to a model3 developed by Alexandra Hogan

I am very interested how it will protect those who don’t take the vaccine maybe I don’t believe it given I’ve read the virus is out there and I could catch it so it’s confusing. I guess it means nice enough are vaccinated even if I refuse I could be protected but right now not everybody had the vaccine so I have to be extra careful?

 

[Richard Scott]

Thanks for the link.

In the article it says

I am very interested how it will protect those who don’t take the vaccine maybe I don’t believe it given I’ve read the virus is out there and I could catch it so it’s confusing. I guess it means nice enough are vaccinated even if I refuse I could be protected but right now not everybody had the vaccine so I have to be extra careful?

Not sure what you're trying to say. Vaccine or no vaccine not everyone who is exposed will catch it. Had a few people in my department at work get it, we worked with them at close quarters and didn't get it.