Further Restrictions Announced by Johnson (22/09)

[GRALISTAIR]

Brilliant. I laughed when I read this.

I’m glad, she would have been pleased to know her humour lives on

Me too - fantastic.

 

[DustyBin]

My 82 year old dad is living as normal life as possible. He goes out on the bus most days, goes to the pub with his mates on a Sunday and is looking to go abroad at Christmas.
He says staying at home is not living but just waiting to die.
He's annoyed at the restrictions as the highlight of his week used to be ex boxers meetings which are now cancelled due to to restrictions.
I fully support his stance as if he dies I want him to of enjoyed his final few months.

My friends dad is in his mid 80’s and is also trying to live life as normally as possible, but is now subject to enhanced local restrictions. I get on very well with him and it’s very sad to see somebody living alone at that age have their social life taken away from them.

I echo those sentiments. My late Nan was active and had a great sense of humour all her life. I remember my father accompanied her to a John Lewis store to buy a Smart TV. The young salesman praised her choice of item, adding ‘and, of course, it’s guaranteed for 5 years, madam’
Quick as a flash, she grinned and said ‘sadly, I’m not!’

Priceless!

 

[Bantamzen]

We have an 83 year old neighbour, and he has been out and about throughout the pandemic & is very determined to keep on doing so. Karen of Facebook could learn a lot from this chap.

 

[Richard Scott]

We have an 83 year old neighbour, and he has been out and about throughout the pandemic & is very determined to keep on doing so. Karen of Facebook could learn a lot from this chap.

An old chap who lives near me has been out with his walker getting out and about throughout this whole thing. He always says hello, probably glad to chat to someone. Good on him!

 

[greyman42]

I've heard that view an awful lot, and TBH if I was that age I'd agree.

The fear seems to come mostly from people in their 30s and 40s scared of losing their parents, not from the older people fearing possible death.

So these people are quite happy for their parents to live a long miserable life just to keep themselves happy.

 

[bramling]

So these people are quite happy for their parents to live a long miserable life just to keep themselves happy.

I’d reword that slightly; however if the premise is that these people are quite happy for their parents to live a long miserable life just so they don’t have to get up and take the train to the office each day, then the answer I think is in many cases yes.

That’s certainly the vibe I’m getting from social media.

 

[geoffk]

Went into a pub this evening (in Calderdale) with two friends at 9.20 and we were told "sorry, last orders at 9.15"! Surely that can't be right. In the end he relented and served us provided we could pay in cash. There was just one other customer there. I know that 10.00 closing means everyone out by 10 and no drinking up time but 9.15 is a nonsense. Can anyone quote a law which says this?

 

[Chester1]

Went into a pub this evening (in Calderdale) with two friends at 9.20 and we were told "sorry, last orders at 9.15"! Surely that can't be right. In the end he relented and served us provided we could pay in cash. There was just one other customer there. I know that 10.00 closing means everyone out by 10 and no drinking up time but 9.15 is a nonsense. Can anyone quote a law which says this?

That's not the law. Sounds like he may have closed the till and was getting ready to walk out the door at 10pm because business was bad.

 

[Andyh82]

Went into a pub this evening (in Calderdale) with two friends at 9.20 and we were told "sorry, last orders at 9.15"! Surely that can't be right. In the end he relented and served us provided we could pay in cash. There was just one other customer there. I know that 10.00 closing means everyone out by 10 and no drinking up time but 9.15 is a nonsense. Can anyone quote a law which says this?

He could last orders at 2pm if he wanted

 

[birchesgreen]

So these people are quite happy for their parents to live a long miserable life just to keep themselves happy.

Or they don't want their parents dying before their time. The loss of a parent is one of the worst things that can happen to you.

 

[adc82140]

Or they don't want their parents dying before their time. The loss of a parent is one of the worst things that can happen to you.

How can you define someone's "time"? My father died of a heart attack aged 67. Some may say that it was before his time. But that is what nature had decided. He was never unwell before this, and had lived life to the full. He had always said that the thing he dreaded the most was mouldering in a care home unable to pursue his interests. It was of course a dreadful shock to everyone, but it was some comfort to know that he didn't suffer the indignity of a long drawn out illness, or indeed that he wasn't forced in to a situation that he had dreaded.

I think it's remarkably cruel if a generation of people want their parents to be kept alive just for their own benefit, whilst the parents are made to suffer in effect imprisonment

 

[birchesgreen]

How can you define someone's "time"? My father died of a heart attack aged 67. Some may say that it was before his time. But that is what nature had decided. He was never unwell before this, and had lived life to the full. He had always said that the thing he dreaded the most was mouldering in a care home unable to pursue his interests. It was of course a dreadful shock to everyone, but it was some comfort to know that he didn't suffer the indignity of a long drawn out illness, or indeed that he wasn't forced in to a situation that he had dreaded.

I think it's remarkably cruel if a generation of people want their parents to be kept alive just for their own benefit, whilst the parents are made to suffer in effect imprisonment

The definition of someone's time depends on the individual. My dad died in his early 70s (same reason) after years of ill health. If he was alive now and caught the bug i doubt he would have survived. But if you love your parents you cherish every day with them, maybe its selfish but thats the way it is.

 

[yorkie]

The aim right now appears to be to destroy livelihoods of younger people and keep people alive as long as possible with quality of live not deemed at all important

My grandparents were kept alive just for the sake of keeping them alive and I think the way we as a society keep people alive when they have absolutely zero quality of life is actually cruel.

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The definition of someone's time depends on the individual. My dad died in his early 70s (same reason) after years of ill health. If he was alive now and caught the bug i doubt he would have survived. But if you love your parents you cherish every day with them, maybe its selfish but thats the way it is.

This ignores the reality. My grandparents had no idea who their children / grandchildren were and didn't know where they were or anything. It was a case of keeping them alive not for their benefit at all but just for the sake of keeping them a live.

It's not right.

 

[birchesgreen]

This ignores the reality. My grandparents had no idea who their children / grandchildren were and didn't know where they were or anything. It was a case of keeping them alive not for their benefit at all but just for the sake of keeping them a live.

It's not right.

That is a bit of a stretch from what i was meaning to be honest. But i'm not going to say any more as this will be an emotive subject for many.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Or they don't want their parents dying before their time. The loss of a parent is one of the worst things that can happen to you.

It is, but it will happen to near enough[1] everyone at some point.

[1] Except those whose parents are unfortunate enough to outlive them, which must really hurt.

 

[Pete_uk]

I see her ladyship up north is going to announce further measures to slow down the spread.

There does seem to be more of a push back from withing the scientific community with regards to the measures that are in place.

It seems like there is an acceptance that Covid 19 isn't going anywhere in the medium term. Others here have referenced how many people die from the flu or even complications from the cold virus. I am for making sure we drum it into people to be hygienic and keep apart as much as possible but even during all this mask wearing and hand washing etc people are still catching colds and flu.

 

[trebor79]

The aim right now appears to be to destroy livelihoods of younger people and keep people alive as long as possible with quality of live not deemed at all important

My grandparents were kept alive just for the sake of keeping them alive and I think the way we as a society keep people alive when they have absolutely zero quality of life is actually cruel.

Indeed, I can remember my grandmother, who spent a couple of years in a nursing home after a stroke saying things like "I wish I was dead". This wasn't her being flippant or some kind of humour, she genuinely did not want to carry on suffering and living cooped up in a home.
I remember the smell of disinfectant, incontinence pads and boiled cabbage.

No way I want to end up in a place like that, just slip me the barbiturates.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

How can you define someone's "time"? My father died of a heart attack aged 67. Some may say that it was before his time. But that is what nature had decided. He was never unwell before this, and had lived life to the full. He had always said that the thing he dreaded the most was mouldering in a care home unable to pursue his interests. It was of course a dreadful shock to everyone, but it was some comfort to know that he didn't suffer the indignity of a long drawn out illness, or indeed that he wasn't forced in to a situation that he had dreaded.

I think it's remarkably cruel if a generation of people want their parents to be kept alive just for their own benefit, whilst the parents are made to suffer in effect imprisonment

The problem is that we will all have different experiences, and they are all specific and particular to ourselves.

My mother is in her mid 80s and whilst she's living in her own home and just about managing, she's in no rush to exit this planet and be reunited with my father who popped off at 60. Again, for balance, my partner's grandmother was in a home for about four years and whilst she missed the freedom of being able to wander of Clevedon sea front, she certainly wasn't drugged nor rushing towards the light.

It is way too emotive to make generalisations.

 

[trebor79]

The problem is that we will all have different experiences, and they are all specific and particular to ourselves.

My mother is in her mid 80s and whilst she's living in her own home and just about managing, she's in no rush to exit this planet and be reunited with my father who popped off at 60.

It is way too emotive to make generalisations.

This is why I believe there should be a free choice on deciding when to end ones own life.
I don't understand why we don't have this right. I understand all the arguments about "well people might cajole elderly relatives into a hasty decision", but really checks and balances could be in place to make that an outlier.

 

[island]

Went into a pub this evening (in Calderdale) with two friends at 9.20 and we were told "sorry, last orders at 9.15"! Surely that can't be right. In the end he relented and served us provided we could pay in cash. There was just one other customer there. I know that 10.00 closing means everyone out by 10 and no drinking up time but 9.15 is a nonsense. Can anyone quote a law which says this?

There isn’t a law but individual establishments can decide to close whenever they like as long as it’s no later than 22:00.

 

[Bletchleyite]

There isn’t a law but individual establishments can decide to close whenever they like as long as it’s no later than 22:00.

Given the penalties for still having people in at 22:00:01, the classic 20 minutes is probably not enough. In the days of "11 plus 20 minutes" you'd very often manage to eke it out until 2330 except with the most particular landlords.

 

[adc82140]

In one of my locals you'd be chucked out at 10 pre Covid. It's just they way they run their pub. They do a lot of trade with food at lunchtime, and have chosen to position themselves as a hiker and cyclist type of place. There's nothing in the licence that says they can't close early.

 

[Class 33]

Boris is expected to "address the nation" again next Monday night announcing more restrictions. It's not going to be good.

 

[duncanp]

Boris is expected to "address the nation" again next Monday night announcing more restrictions. It's not going to be good.

Where did you hear that?

 

[kristiang85]

Boris is expected to "address the nation" again next Monday night announcing more restrictions. It's not going to be good.

He's going to copy Sturgeon and close the pubs in the north, and outdoor drinks only for the rest of us. I can feel it.

 

[duncanp]

He's going to copy Sturgeon and close the pubs in the north, and outdoor drinks only for the rest of us. I can feel it.

It's more likely to be the announcement of this "traffic light" system of local lockdown restrictions, which has been talked about recently.

Sky News were reporting earlier today that the government was considering closing pubs in the North West and North East for a short period of time, similar to what has been announced in Scotland. (ie these two areas would be in the "Red" zone)

The rest of England is likely to be placed in the "Amber" or "Green" zones, depending on whether local restrictions are currently in place.

Complete closure of pubs in areas where infection rates are low is likely to encounter a lot of resistance in parliament.

 

[Class 33]

Where did you hear that?

Laura Kuenssberg.

Laura Kuenssberg exposes HUGE coronavirus changes in store

LAURA KUENSSBERG has outlined huge coronavirus plans for the UK, and said Boris Johnson will make a major announcement on Monday.

www.express.co.uk

Laura Kuenssberg exposes HUGE coronavirus changes imminent - major announcement in days

The BBC journalist has highlighted seven ways the UK Government is edging towards stricter coronavirus restrictions. She said Nicola Sturgeon’s recent announcement, which will see alcohol banned in pubs, restaurants and café’s for 16 days, has spurred Boris Johnson into action.

Ms Kuenssberg outlined the Government’s expected moves in a thread on Twitter, where she said the Treasury is looking at providing financial pubs to sectors of the economy which have been forced to shut, such as pubs.

She said fresh restrictions are expected to be introduced in Nottingham tomorrow, with the Prime Minister expected to address the nation and impose new rules on Monday.

The BBC Political Editor wrote on Twitter:

“1. Govt edges towards next steps to tighten restrictions for England.

“2. Was on the cards before Sturgeon's moves but that ups the ante.

“3. Treasury looking at financial support for pubs if they have to close in North of England or beyond.

“4. Still no final decision on tier system.

“5. Extra restrictions were expected as early as tomorrow, for example in Nottingham - announcements not expected yet now.

“6. One source says 'the crux is the PM is still weighing all the options up’.


“7. After a lot of chatter today, sounds like govt heading for announcement about next phase of Covid on Monday.”

Nottingham is poised to have similar measures to those currently in place in north-east England announced tomorrow, after the rate of infection rose dramatically over the weekend.

The new measures could see household mixing banned in any indoor setting.

 

[bramling]

He's going to copy Sturgeon and close the pubs in the north, and outdoor drinks only for the rest of us. I can feel it.

It’s worth laying a bet on it. The same tired old pattern - both in terms of copying Sturgeon (or her getting in there first), and an address which comes out on a Monday evening.

Civil disobedience is fast approaching I think. Just waiting for some kind of trigger event now.

I am really sick of this now.

 

[kristiang85]

It's more likely to be the announcement of this "traffic light" system of local lockdown restrictions, which has been talked about recently.

Sky News were reporting earlier today that the government was considering closing pubs in the North West and North East for a short period of time, similar to what has been announced in Scotland. (ie these two areas would be in the "Red" zone)

The rest of England is likely to be placed in the "Amber" or "Green" zones, depending on whether local restrictions are currently in place.

Complete closure of pubs in areas where infection rates are low is likely to encounter a lot of resistance in parliament.

Yes, this system is very likely to be announced. But it's not clear what the 'red' will mean. Let's hope our backbench MPs - and more to the point the opposition (who are incredibly inept right now) - actually have the cajones to stand up to some of the more hard line ideas.

 

[Yew]

In all seriousness, how does Laura K know about this stuff? Maybe Cummings-esque "leaks" are acceptable in normal times, but in times like this it's more like a security breach.