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I think at that level these events with draw attention to themselves. 7 people in a front room will not.
Michael Gove has been on breakfast telly denying that children will be exempt from the rule of 6, so expect a u turn by tomorrow.
Are you talking about the game or the pub afterwards?
Sounds like it might have been the pub while the game was on the telly. In which case it's fine as long as the groups of large blokes are wriggling around in single-household groups
I can't imagine socially distanced, mask wearing rugby would be much fun to watch....
It would.not be but everything involving fun seams to be banned at the moment.
Obviously not everything, although sport without spectators does feel somewhat hollow.
Non-league football (except for the National League) does have spectators at the moment, and these new rules don't seem to affect that. Though the standard of play is obviously rather lower than the professional game.
Though the big difference is the size of the crowd - it's much easier to maintain distancing for 300 people at Ashington than 50,000 people at Newcastle United.
I am not surprised at all by the rise in the number of infections over the last week or so and the new restrictions from Monday 14th, except perhaps that this did not happen sooner.
Schools are only just back and while a few cases already too soon to significantly affect the national average. Universities and Colleges mostly have yet to restart.
So why I say this ....
When at the end of July the infection rate jumped in Manchester etc. and the ban of privately meeting other households both indoors or in gardens was introduced I hoped it would jolt all living in all other areas of England into maintaining social distancing again. I say ' all ' as it only takes a small proportion to blatantly ignore requirements and common sense to bring restrictions on those who have respected them too.
The next weekend, which was warm and sunny, my observations were still far too little social distancing even where plenty of space. After allowing for bubbles most groups of at minimum two households were not keeping a distance between each. Groups of predominantly 65+ had taken chairs to parks but not set them in groups of 2 or 3 then 2m distance to the next 2 or 3. Two or more families were not spaced apart. Groups of mid-teens to late 20's may all be have been from a different household yet close together. Worst of all on the Sunday in one park at least five groups of 30 or so predominantly Asian people with no distancing at all. Most likely they had travelled from the West Midlands where from next Tuesday there will be a total ban on different households meeting in private. Since then no obvious change either.
I wrote to my council asking why on the various 'Open for Business' and 'Welcome Back' notices they had put up any mention of social distancing was very much small print. I suggested they needed some 2m long banners clearly showing the recommended distancing between household / bubbles. I did not get a response .....
I can understand a local and national approach of not wanting to make many including those who for 12 weeks were advised not to meet anyone outside their household to continue being too cautious so staying at home not least with one eye on the economy. If though there had been more carefully worded messages maybe more people would have observed distancing and over a week met with fewer different people. Following on the number of infections should have stayed lower and if any new national restrictions still needed at least more generous.
Schools are only just back and while a few cases already too soon to significantly affect the national average. Universities and Colleges mostly have yet to restart.
So why I say this ....
When at the end of July the infection rate jumped in Manchester etc. and the ban of privately meeting other households both indoors or in gardens was introduced I hoped it would jolt all living in all other areas of England into maintaining social distancing again. I say ' all ' as it only takes a small proportion to blatantly ignore requirements and common sense to bring restrictions on those who have respected them too.
The next weekend, which was warm and sunny, my observations were still far too little social distancing even where plenty of space. After allowing for bubbles most groups of at minimum two households were not keeping a distance between each. Groups of predominantly 65+ had taken chairs to parks but not set them in groups of 2 or 3 then 2m distance to the next 2 or 3. Two or more families were not spaced apart. Groups of mid-teens to late 20's may all be have been from a different household yet close together. Worst of all on the Sunday in one park at least five groups of 30 or so predominantly Asian people with no distancing at all. Most likely they had travelled from the West Midlands where from next Tuesday there will be a total ban on different households meeting in private. Since then no obvious change either.
I wrote to my council asking why on the various 'Open for Business' and 'Welcome Back' notices they had put up any mention of social distancing was very much small print. I suggested they needed some 2m long banners clearly showing the recommended distancing between household / bubbles. I did not get a response .....
I can understand a local and national approach of not wanting to make many including those who for 12 weeks were advised not to meet anyone outside their household to continue being too cautious so staying at home not least with one eye on the economy. If though there had been more carefully worded messages maybe more people would have observed distancing and over a week met with fewer different people. Following on the number of infections should have stayed lower and if any new national restrictions still needed at least more generous.
The players and staff get regular tests to ensure that no one taking part in the event has the virus.
As the Nottingham Post article about it says:
Quite what the court will do about it, I don't know! The other interesting line in that story:
Seems to very much be a case of getting an example in before Freshers week(s)
Who exactly wants to send a clear message?
Apologies, some selective quoting there. It's Assistant Chief Constable Steve Cooper from Nottinghamshire Police. Full story:
O yes there was travelling 250 miles in lockdown,driving a vehicle on a public road with suspected poor eye site,Castle Bernard.
I think the bit that got him the fine was meeting the Community Officers with hostility meaning the police got called. Would probably have just got a telling off if he had accepted he was busted and turfed everyone out, despite having 50 people round being a clear breach of the “don’t believe a c**k” principle.
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I'd be rather interested in knowing where the wedding was held. It seems unlikely that it was held at a private dwelling as there aren't many such places that could fit 100 people - even before social distancing became 'a thing'! I suppose it's just about possible it was in a park or similar public outdoor place...
However, it seems rather more likely that this is yet another example of the police getting it completely and utterly wrong in exercising their (purported) powers. There are, as yet, no general restrictions on gatherings taking place in places that aren't private dwellings or public outdoor places.
Large gatherings held in restaurants or other such venues can only be shut down by means of an order made under the No. 3 Regulations - and it is only upon breaching such an order that a FPN, of £100, could be issued.
The usual mixing up of FPNs and fines going on there... It is utterly pointless issuing a £10k FPN to a student. There is no way they can possibly pay it within the 21 days given (unless they get it crowdfunded extraordinarily quickly!). They will go to Court and, if found guilty, will be fined a rather more appropriate amount.
We don't penalise fraudsters, gangsters, or almost any other criminal this much. I'm sorry, it doesn't matter how many people catch Covid as a result of such an event, but a £10k FPN is completely and utterly out of all proportion. It's a great way for the Government to lose any remaining credibility it held with otherwise law-abiding people.
Maybe not loads but there are plenty of houses about that have gardens that could take 100 people, particularly for a buffet do rather than big formal sit down.
It’s called deterrence, and the less chance of getting caught the bigger the fine needs to be.
If you are unlikely to get caught and the fine is only £100 then most people would chance it (assuming they had already decided they didn’t believe in that law’s necessity). See speeding.
Look at the consequences of drunk driving - you get life changing punishment for what is actually only an unlikely potential manslaughter at very worst (I fully support that as it is a massive deterrent to the “oh go on, just one more won’t hurt....”)
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I know it’s absolutely ludicrous right! That’ll probably be the nail in the coffin for most uni societies too.
Also, unless this is lifted by December, means very few real Christmas parties will be officially allowed this year.
You could have groups of 12 friends join eachother in the park, but segregated into 2 groups of 6. Then intermittently, any pair from "opposite" groups could text eachother and agree to "swap" groups.
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I know of someone who held their work’s Christmas party yesterday in the event of it not being able to take place at the usual time! Even so, I am pretty optimistic that Boris will lift the rule of six just before Christmas in order to let families celebrate together, even if the restriction has to be reintroduced again in the new year.
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Will there be a re-release of Chumbawumba’s hit song, with the chorus changed to
‘I get locked-down, but I go out again’ ?
PHILIPE
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And also people wanting to have a final fling before lock down. Covidiots at their worst if you consider how many more people could have become infected while they were behaving in this manner
That would be very good. (I've still got the original on a 7-inch somewhere).
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